Child soldiers ? a war crime: LTTE faces prosecution before ICC

  • 7 Aug 2005 02:55:09 GMT

    OK! Nighthauk,open up a diologue! Let those child soldiers be exposed to the International mediators,BUT NOT NORDICS!,to intervieve all the child soldiers and see how LTTE areinnocent ant they are voluntered so the problem could be resolved in a minute?

    But these murderers don`t do that , WHY? Because they abduct them FORCIBLY!!!

  • 7 Aug 2005 07:15:25 GMT

    NIGHTHAWK,

    YOU HAVE BEEN CHOSEN TO BE THE LTTE AMBASSADOR FOR THE UN.CONGRATULATIONS!

  • 7 Aug 2005 07:26:42 GMT

    Gentlemen,

    The armchair supporters of the LTTE must read this:

    Cheers

    Date : 2005-08-07

    The Way of the Tiger

    By Tisaranee Gunasekara

    ?The people of Germany were not consulted. They could not be consulted. As a political force they did not exist?.

    AJP Taylor (The Course of German History)

    The ongoing events in Jaffna demonstrate how close we are to the abyss, how easily things can spin out of control. Any incident, be it an accident or a deliberate act, can and will be used by the Tigers to create mayhem as a prelude to a generalised outbreak of violence.

    The Tigers are not interested in peace. But given the international situation, especially the recent London bombing, they are probably reluctant to start the next war as blatantly as they did on previous occasions (1987, 1990, 1995). The Tigers would like it if hostilities could be commenced in a manner enabling the placing of responsibility on the Sri Lankan side (or at least shared). Perhaps the Tigers are expecting a short, sharp war, and the regaining of the Peninsula, thereby compelling a perceptibly weakened government to sue for peace. Perhaps the LTTE is hoping for a reactivation of the Sinhala vs. Tamil polarisation, especially in the East (caused by a mini-July 83 in the East or a massacre of Tamil civilians by the military) which would pull the rug from under Col. Karuna and enable the Tigers to take over that vitally important province.

    From the available evidence it seems that the brutal and cold blooded murder of a senior policeman was either done by the Tigers or at least instigated by the Tigers. Perhaps the LTTE was hoping that the army and the police would go on rampage (as they used to do regularly during the First Eelam War). That would have furnished the LTTE with an ideal excuse to commence hostilities in the name of the Tamil people without risking international opprobrium. The security forces however showed admirable restraint and the government moved fast to restore law and order. However this incident demonstrates, once again, the fragility of the situation, given the Tigers determination to turn every incident, every accident as an excuse to unleash violent unrest.

    German political activist and playwright Ernst Toller was a confirmed pacifist as well as a total opponent of Adolf Hitler. Toller while opposing war also understood that it takes two parties to prevent war and given the Nazis? ?will to power? and will to domination war could be inevitable; this realisation he expressed in one of his last plays ?Pastor Hall?:

    Hall: there is no question on earth which can?t be settled without force.

    Hoper: it takes two to arrive at a solution without force Herr Pastor.

    The Dog and the Tail

    In one of his characteristically though provoking articles Dr. Rajasingham Narendran said: ?The LTTE is only a tool and it cannot and should not be permitted to become the master who decides our fate. The tail should not wag the dog! How we use this tool is for us- the people to decide? (Tamils and Kurukshetra ? Asian Tribune ? 1.5.2005). In his assessment he is both correct and unrealistic. As far as the LTTE is concerned it is the dog and the Tamil people are the tail. The Tigers are nobody?s ?tool?.

    Quite the contrary; they have made themselves the masters of the Tamil people and will not willingly give up that role and position, without a prolonged and violent resistance.

    I am not a Tamil and my vantage point is that of a Sinhalese who hopes to be a Sri Lankan. It seems to me that having led the war for separation for at least two decades the Tigers will not allow anyone else ? including the Tamil people ? to call the shots and tell them what to do and when to quit. I do not think that the Tigers will be willing to share power with anyone, including the Tamil people or their democratically elected representatives ? at least as long as Mr. Pirapaharan is alive. There is an excellent old Sinhala saying which, I think, expresses the Tiger response to the opinion expressed by Dr. Rajasingham ? a man does not look for a bee hive only to lick his hand. The honey will go the one who squeezes it out of the hive and to no one else. Not only victory but also power will go to the armed Tiger who fought the war.

    From the LTTE?s point of view there is probably some justice in this belief. The Tigers stayed back and fought; they risked their lives and they died. For them it would be preposterous that the ones who did not fight with arms in hand, the ones who sought the safety of Western lands or stayed behind but (instead of joining the LTTE) tried to eke out a normal life in abnormal times should reap the benefits of the Tiger struggle. As far as the Tigers are concerned they fought and consequently they will decide the fate of the Tamil people. This is the logic behind the sole representative claim and the ISGA. The only Eelam that is possible or permissible is the Tiger Eelam. No half measures would be tolerated; the fate of the TULF which tried to travel a middle path is a case in point. Either you are with the Tigers or your life is not worth a dime. That is the law of the Tiger and that will not change in peace or in war. And if anyone tries to disobey that law even slightly his fate will be an unenviable one (Dr. Rajasingham?s brother escaped with his life only because he is a British citizen).

    The Tigers want liberation not for Tamil people but for themselves. They also want liberation not only from Sri Lanka but also from the Tamil people. Medieval absolutism was based on the ?divine rights of kings?; here kings are merely themselves not the God but merely the God?s representatives on earth. The Tigers go far beyond that because their leader is not just a representative of the God but a god himself ? the Sun God. Such claims may seem ridiculous to many outsiders but they have to be taken seriously because of what they reveal about the Tiger psyche. Megalomaniacs do not leave the stage of history willingly; if they are not forced to depart from within or without ? and force is essential for that ? they would stay on until they drop dead. I find it hard to believe that Mr. Pirapaharan would hand over at least some of his authority to others and consent to live the rest of his life in honoured semi-retirement.

    Illusions are dangerous things. When such illusions pertain to entities like the LTTE they often result in death and destruction. Many in Germany took seriously Adolf Hitler?s earlier claims of being ?just a drummer?; they thought they would be able to use the Nazis to achieve their objectives (make Germany powerful) and then slowly move Hitler and co. out. The German nationalist leader Alfred Hugenberg commenting on the appointment of Herr Hitler as Chancellor boasted: ?We are boxing Hitler in?; another nationalist leader and former chancellor Franz von Papen was instrumental in enabling Hitler to become Chancellor because he too shared in this illusion; ?to one who warned him that he was placing himself in Hitler?s hands Papen replied: ?You are mistaken. We?ve hired him?? (Hitler: 1889-1936: Hubris ? Ian Kershaw). We are we know how that saga ended.

    Vested Interests

    Anita Pratap in ?The Isle of Blood? gives us her impressions of the metamorphosis of Vellupillai Pirapaharan from ?thambi? to ?annai?; he is more, much more than ?annai? now, the man who is being hailed as a God and an avatar of this or that God, and worshipped publicly by his supporters (as happened during the Pongu Tamil celebrations). Such a leader would never share power with anyone; he would prefer universal destruction to that, as Herr Hitler did.

    Tiger activists, especially the ones in the upper and middle echelons, are the new Tamil elite. They and their families are the new ruling class in the making. Will they willingly permit the traditional elite to return and take over, thereby losing their newly gained authority, power and riches? I doubt it. There is thus a segment within the Tamil community whose very real material interests will make them oppose any attempt to transfer at least part of the authority to ?civilians?; they thus have a vested interest in preventing the return of the status quo ante or the creation of a new, democratic order; and they are armed, able and willing to kill to retain what they see as ?theirs?. They would say with Joseph Goebbels: ?We shall never give up power; they will have to drag us out as corpses? (quoted in The Devils Disciples ? Anthony Read).

    If Mr. Pirapaharan sincerely cared about the fate and the future of the Tamil nation he would not have engaged in child conscription. With this monstrous practice he is depriving the future of the Tamil nation of their future. But then the only future Mr. Pirapaharan would permit the Tamil nation to have is a Tiger future. He will go to war, irrespective of the cost to the Tamil people, when he feels that war can further his interests best.

    The Tamil people are thus faced with a conundrum. As long as the Tigers remain strong, they will stay in the saddle; they will be the dog while the people will have no choice but to be the tail (anyone who refuses to be the tail will be punished). A viable democratic alternative to the Tigers has not yet emerged, thereby further limiting the choices available to the people. The Sri Lankan state obviously prefers to deal with the Tigers rather than assist any nascent democratic alternative. The continued dominance of the LTTE is in the interests of the majoritarian supremacists who do not want to see any sharing of power with the Tamil people. After all the Tigers with their child soldiers and suicide bombers make even the JHU seem more civilised by comparison. And as long as the LTTE remains dominant there can never be a permanent peace; every peace is but a prelude to the next war. And any incident important or trivial can be used to bring that war closer?.

    - Asian Tribune -

  • 7 Aug 2005 07:55:48 GMT

    Night Hawk, sorry brother, there are no sane volunteers to accept those crap...the world is well aware of the LTTE butchers failed propaganda machine...so its not working ...try some thing else...

    chao...

  • 7 Aug 2005 09:20:31 GMT

    Muni,Pera.Jay-R and others

    Truth hurts, only a few by the likes of you guys shed crocodile tears for child soldiers. As if you all are very much interested in protecting children in the N&E. Where did you all go when children died of malnutrition in the N&E? Where did you all go when School children were bombed while studying in school? How many army camps in school are now depriving our childrens` education? Now you all have taken up this cause of child soldiers to weaken the tamils` struggle for self determination. Can you all deny or counter the arguments in the first post of mine? You all can`t coz this is what happening in the N&E now.

  • 7 Aug 2005 09:52:12 GMT

    As for me, yes, I was in Colombo studying or working when thosands of Tamil kids (as you claim) were bombed and killed by GOSL troops. I am not shedding croc tears here. Just simply pointing out the fact that LTTE is engaged in child conscription and that is agaisnt the Rules of the country and the world at large. If it is alright with the Tamils, be my gesut!

    It is very easy to `justify` the child conscription in East (mainly) and North of Sri lanka, when your kids are studying in the first world.

    PS: Most of children `volunteer` to take pot, marijuana and other stuff to get `High`.

    The society won`t approve that and do not `allow` them to `volunteer` for such things.

  • 7 Aug 2005 10:07:06 GMT

    Child soldiers!!

    A war crime !!

    Prosecution before ICC!!

    WHAT A RUBBISH DREAM OF THESE SINHALESE government or sinhalese!!.

    The first person who should be prosecution before ICC is MRS.Kumaratunghe and all the three arm forces for all these discrimination and prolonged ethnic war. Not LTTE.

  • 7 Aug 2005 10:14:36 GMT

    Nighthawk

    Let me ask you a question

    What has LTTE achived for tamil people in the North and east so far after 25 years of fighting? When I read your posting, I realized their conditions are pathatic and miserable. And they lived much better under the government control before

    you are saying

    `due to the ?war,? all children and young adults are stunted in growth, and it is difficult to tell their ages by looking at them`

    I think most of people in Vanni are suffering under the Tigers. that is what you are saying.

    Is it worth continuing the war?

  • 7 Aug 2005 10:43:04 GMT

    Dear all

    the topic in this forum says.

    `srilanka cannot initiate against the ltte because it is not a party to the ICC treaty since it has niether signed nor ratified it.`

    `asked why srilanka refuses to sign and ratify the ICC treaty the knowledgeable sourse said it was obvious that the ICC COULD CUT BOTH WAYS.EVEN THE GOVERNMENT LEADERS ACCUSED OF WAR CRIMES COULD BE HAULED BEFORE THE SAME COURT.

    (hahahahahha)

    that will make my sunday even better.(hehehehehe)

    so now then the government of srilanka admitted their guilty.and ICC must have gave the sri lankan government verbal warning then.

    in other word it wont be too long to legitimise ltte by the world.

    if the government of srilanka take the ltte to the court,then the many head of government have to face crime charges then and i will be and i belive many tamils around the world be at the hauge to give evidence against the government for their atrocities.

    now then we tamils need more victims from around the globe to witness and give evidence against the government of sri lanka.

    victims of all sorts of crimes by this very government.

    this is the time the baby friers will learn a lession.

    till then

    take care of your self and each other.

    thank you.

  • 7 Aug 2005 10:44:06 GMT

    Dear all

    the topic in this forum says.

    `srilanka cannot initiate against the ltte because it is not a party to the ICC treaty since it has niether signed nor ratified it.`

    `asked why srilanka refuses to sign and ratify the ICC treaty the knowledgeable sourse said it was obvious that the ICC COULD CUT BOTH WAYS.EVEN THE GOVERNMENT LEADERS ACCUSED OF WAR CRIMES COULD BE HAULED BEFORE THE SAME COURT.

    (hahahahahha)

    that will make my sunday even better.(hehehehehe)

    so now then the government of srilanka admitted their guilty.and ICC must have gave the sri lankan government verbal warning then.

    in other word it wont be too long to legitimise ltte by the world.

    if the government of srilanka take the ltte to the court,then the many head of government have to face crime charges then and i will be and i belive many tamils around the world be at the hauge to give evidence against the government for their atrocities.

    now then we tamils need more victims from around the globe to witness and give evidence against the government of sri lanka.

    victims of all sorts of crimes by this very government.

    this is the time the baby friers will learn a lession.

    till then

    take care of your self and each other.

    thank you.

    wait and see this MADU will come and gie you some crap