Sri Lanka`s highest national honour for Kadir

  • 12 Nov 2005 23:26:18 GMT

    NADA:

    I remember some time ago how you were writing postings and after wrath of many people of the forum you just fled.

    You do no want to understand that you are showing how biased you are and ideologically how bankrupt you are.

    My openion is you tamils are unfortunate enough to worship Pabakaran as Honourable, SunGod, Avatar etc., and to send Late Laksman KAdiaragamat to the worst hell you can send him.

    You do not want to accpet that he was a queens` councilor and a brillient speaker. Tamils should be proud of him to say that he was a tamil.

    Only thing he did was talking against LTTE and moderate tamils understand it. Other things are your accusations of POLITICAL nature.

    A world accepted killer is worshipped while a world accepted brillient speaker is worth nothing.

    NADA YOU ARE A GROWN UP MATURE PERSON, A TAMIL. YOU NEED TO UNDERSTAND NOT JUST THE HOMELAND, EVEN IF YOU WIN THE WHOLE WORLD IT WILL NOT BE WORTH ANY THING UNLESS YOU (TAMIL PEOPLE) FEEL WORTH INSIDE OF YOU.

    Tamil problems are all inside their psyche. They are sick.

  • 12 Nov 2005 23:35:11 GMT

    Dear Nada,

    Sorry to say ,but some times you write like a brain washed LTTE ,Elamist . Sadly you are even going to the extent of condemning the fact that Kadirgamar married a Signhalese woman. Isn`t this called racism? This attitude you demonstrate is what the Singhalese believe about Tamils and that is one of the reasons what objecting the Federalism For Tamils.

    Premadasa was a Traitor who gave arms to Terrorists. He was given this award before he became the President, if not Posthumously he will never be honoured by Singhalese. We know how Premadasa and JRJ destroyed democracy in this country. How did you forget the 83 massacre when Premadasa was the Prime Minister and JRJ was the President. What did Premadasa do to stop the massacre?

    I did have discussions with you about Kadir before ,and I am not going to get in to that again, since it is a waste of time. Singhalese Majority Honors Kadirgamar , he was a Sri Lankan more than a Tamil a Singahese a Buddhist, a Hindu , or a Christian who worked for the unity of this country against the Tamil Terrorists.

    Of course for those who have nurtured LTTE terrorism over the last 30 years Kadir was a threat, a traitor . For Tamils to win their democratic rights first of all Singhalese need to be convinced that Autonomy for Tamils does not mean a threat to their culture ,language and religion. Prabhakaran, Tamilselvam and LTTE can not convince the Singhalese Majority. Neither the Tamil Diaspora can do that. It is only people like Kadir and Anandasangaree who could convince the Singhalese Majority ,and believe me neither Ranil nor Mahinda are capable of doing that either, because they are obliged to dance to the tunes of Singhalese Buddhist chauvinism.

  • 13 Nov 2005 00:58:59 GMT

    Dear Anud,

    I never ran away from this forum, please check the posting history and then you would correct yourself. This is like the SL history!

    I am not surprised with your response, in fact I knew in advance what the response is going to be. What else I could expect. Kadir served you well and truly while sacrificing his very race and still if you do not appreciate him then you too will become a terrible opportunist.

    Whether one is a Queen council or a King council does not matter much. His capability as a good speaker too does not matter much. Hitler, Gadaffi, Saddam are all good speakers and could attract the people. They are very intelligent men.

    The scientists who discovered nuclear bomb, the guys who dropped the bombs in Nagasaki and Hiroshima are courageous and intelligent men. But we judge ones greatness not by his qualification or other capabilities but on what they have done to the community at large.

    Of course if you hang Kadir`s credentials on a wall and show me without identifying him I will admire him. But if you put a human behind those papers then for me at least he is an evil.

    When you guys run short of an argument then you run to the LTTE. I don`t suck LTTE at all for your information and I am `another great fool` who dreams that we could co-exist.

    Can you quote a single action by kadir where he provided a firm alternative to the Tamil people or ever spoken on behalf of the Tamils or explained their predicament to the world. Why? Because he did not want to displease the paymaster. He is more interested in making Vesak a world holiday than solving the problem of his race who are dying of famine and violence. What a man he is?

    AnuD, you may be proud of him but please do not expect me to respect him. I may be marginally smarter in knowing what went on in his mind than you. If you are blind it is bad fate but if you pretend to be blind then it is a crime.

    If you can pray him then there is no reason why the vast majority of Tamils cannot pray Phrabaharan? Both were doing the same thing from a different perspective.

    Tamil problem is not mere psyche but it is psychosomatic. Had you been thrashed in the road or at home by virtue of your ethnicity then you would have appreciated the additional `somatic` component to this problem.

    Regards nada

  • 13 Nov 2005 01:19:48 GMT

    Dear Magha,

    you need not have any worry about `racialism` from my side.

    In this case I had to refer to a `Sinhalese woman`, because it has become relevant to my discussion. I am sure you are too familiar with the so-called `marriage of convenience` to get entry visa and then go their way. For Kadir at that point in time it became more handy and look at who was his security chief, his BIL?

    Why he should become a Buddhist, of course you may argue that he was convinced about the Buddhist Philosophy! We must hypnotize and ask this from Kadir? So my reference to Sinhalese woman has nothing to do with racialism.

    Even otherwise, he is more a Sinhalese than a Tamil though he carried a Hindu name. But to many even `Kadirgamar` is a sinhala name like `Somasundera`. There was once a diplomat who argued with me that Kadir was a Sinhalese.

    Magha, I am dreaming of seeing a real `Sri Lankan` especially in politics. If you have seen a Sri lankan in Kadir then we may have to fall back into our previous discussion about Saibaba and his miracles and related illusions and hallucinations.

    Magha, I admire your faith, it is fine, but I have enough reasons to believe that your faith may not be right. But I don`t want to displease you, living in faith is good until the truth is out one day. For some truth will be immediate depending on the mental make up as Gaja says.

    I was unfortunate enough to have spoken to some of his close friends and there is nothing very great or Sri lankan about him.

    Make hay while the sun shines. Education, intelligence, and other capabilities alone do not make great men.

    Sincerely Nada

  • 13 Nov 2005 01:25:31 GMT

    I thought kadir was already given Sri Lanka`s highest national honour..

    A well deserved bullet in the head!

    cheers.

  • 13 Nov 2005 02:06:48 GMT

    Nada:

    We do not agree on one point. That is your reflection that Tamils can not co-exist with Sinhala people. Your argument is based on that tamils suffered during the war from sinhala army.

    But, how much do you know that Sinhala army (at that time there were a lot of tamils in the Army) had to kill the same sinhala youth during the JVP - GOSL war. I think you never saw it or if you have seen it, still right this way, that is very unfair.

    You may have personally suffered from the war. But, if you take away the sinhala factor aside, your thinking will be very different. I know how many families suffered from JVP and from STF because of JVP. Eventhough we are angry, we just take it.

    Your posting show, some racism in you, religious bias and unreasonable thinking.

    If you were a Hindu, I do not think that you would blame Buddhists. But, remember at one time in the history your ancestors were HIndus worshipping SHIVA. You may not be HINDU. On the other hand, If you were a Hindu you would believe that a Sinhala Buddhist one day might be born as a Hindu tamil and vice versa.

    Sinhala may be bad for you. But, upcontry high caste Sinhala people went for Jaffna high caste tamils until recently. Even Ghanakoon was Ghanam , I suppose.

    Try to think objectively. Put you in Laksman Kadirgamar`s Shoes. Think how many POLITICIANS WHO ARE VERY DEMOCRATIC BECAME CAPITALIST AND ARISTOCRATIC WHEN THEY GOT THE POWER. You can not say tamil politicians are not human and they would not do it.

    Every politician has to take hard decisions at one time or the other.

    Try to understand, that you are the foreign minister, would you be ever become the foreign minister if you wanted to represent only tha tamils and support tamil extremism as the foreign minister of Sri Lanka.

    If you say you do not want to become the foreign minister in that way, then the only way is just criticizing just the way it happens right now.

  • 13 Nov 2005 02:18:44 GMT

    Nada,

    You still say that you are not LTTE??????

    Cheers

  • 13 Nov 2005 02:30:04 GMT

    A well earned and deserved honour for a true statesman.

    We have had many big talk politicians through the years. He was someone who delivered tangible results. He was responsible for caging the tiger.

    The nation salutes the fallen hero Kadir.

  • 13 Nov 2005 06:35:01 GMT

    Dear Nada,

    When it comes to leadership Sri Lanka is a desert. Your dream of seeing a `real Sri Lankan` is a distant dream as of mine . Tamils had suffered enough , we can not find a perfect person to lead the country. However we can use moderate people who had built some reputation among the Majority to bring Singhalese politicians and religious leaders to a platform to have a consensus that devolution of power is necessary to end sufferings of Tamils of North and East, bring equal rights to the minority and peace to the country. If Tamil Diaspora continues to promote only the vision of PrabhaKaran and LTTE ignoring veteran politicians like Anandasangaree the resilience to any form of autonomy will get stronger and stronger. Being a Singhalese Buddhist I am fed up with Singhalese polity and I can understand the frustration of Tamils of our country. What Tamil Diaspora needs to do is a constructive criticism of the armed struggle in the perspective of the Global political changes occured in the last three decades and come to reality that Singhalese Majority will not listen to the terms of LTTE, but given the power struggle among the Singhalaese, will be willing to adopt the democratic approach of Anandasangaree.

    Yesterday two Buddhist priests on their way to Seattle stopped by at my place. One was a prominent priest in USA in his fifties who had become a close friend of mine after numerous discussions about Singhalese and Buddhism and the other one is a young priest. We spent sometime discussing the forthcoming election. The young priest was a nationalist. However when I pointed out to him what Anandasangaree said that both Mahinda and Ranil first should reach an agreement what will be the solution to the ethnic issue and then go for the election with a unanimous agenda about the ethnic issue but could have a different opinion about how the country should be developed economically the younger priest got quite impressed . It did mean that none of the Singhalese Politicians could give a clear message to the public but Anandasangaree could do so. I think it is time that Tamil Diaspora give a little consideration to what he says than just condemn him because he isn?t taking the same path of LTTE.

    with warm regards,

    Magha

  • 13 Nov 2005 06:35:29 GMT

    Dear Nada,

    When it comes to leadership Sri Lanka is a desert. Your dream of seeing a `real Sri Lankan` is a distant dream as of mine . Tamils had suffered enough , we can not find a perfect person to lead the country. However we can use moderate people who had built some reputation among the Majority to bring Singhalese politicians and religious leaders to a platform to have a consensus that devolution of power is necessary to end sufferings of Tamils of North and East, bring equal rights to the minority and peace to the country. If Tamil Diaspora continues to promote only the vision of PrabhaKaran and LTTE ignoring veteran politicians like Anandasangaree the resilience to any form of autonomy will get stronger and stronger. Being a Singhalese Buddhist I am fed up with Singhalese polity and I can understand the frustration of Tamils of our country. What Tamil Diaspora needs to do is a constructive criticism of the armed struggle in the perspective of the Global political changes occured in the last three decades and come to reality that Singhalese Majority will not listen to the terms of LTTE, but given the power struggle among the Singhalaese, will be willing to adopt the democratic approach of Anandasangaree.

    Yesterday two Buddhist priests on their way to Seattle stopped by at my place. One was a prominent priest in USA in his fifties who had become a close friend of mine after numerous discussions about Singhalese and Buddhism and the other one is a young priest. We spent sometime discussing the forthcoming election. The young priest was a nationalist. However when I pointed out to him what Anandasangaree said that both Mahinda and Ranil first should reach an agreement what will be the solution to the ethnic issue and then go for the election with a unanimous agenda about the ethnic issue but could have a different opinion about how the country should be developed economically the younger priest got quite impressed . It did mean that none of the Singhalese Politicians could give a clear message to the public but Anandasangaree could do so. I think it is time that Tamil Diaspora give a little consideration to what he says than just condemn him because he isn?t taking the same path of LTTE.

    with warm regards,

    Magha