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SamP
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 11 Sep 2011 19:04:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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ShawnW,
All those foreign graduates pass SLMC's (Sri Lanka Medical council) Act16 exam before practising in SL. Then why not Malabe students? That is the loop hole. Medicine is not something that we can give chances.
Firstly, they are not foreigners or foreign qualified locals. Therefore, there is absolutely no need to go through ACT 16. I hope you are aware of the standardization scheme, the current state medical schools use to rank new graduates in giving appointments. I believe that asking new graduates to go through the same standardization scheme is the fair thing to do.
If SL wants to improve their standards of medical services, even state university students should take the same exam to make sure that all practising docs have at least some basic level of minimum knowledge. But since state university students are not taking the exam, it is not possible to allow for malabe students to same. Two errors don't make a right.
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I am not against any one getting through proper channels. If it is an Engineering degree, still it is fine. Because even if they make some errors, that can be fixed. But what will happen ia doc misdiagnose and cost a life? Can it be fixed? What would you think that if you are such a victim?
Firstly, successfully getting through a recognized medical school is the minimal knowledge. Secondly, it is a fallacy that there is no malpractice or misdiagnosis by our doctors. I can give you many cases of misdiagnosis by our doctors. Go no further than recent Dengue related deaths in Sri Lanka if you want examples. Only difference here is that Sri Lankans don't sue like Americans do.
Most importantly, your view of engineering errors is grossly wrong. Think of a design error in a structure. How many are going to die if that building collapses. Think of a passenger aircraft with various mechanical and electrical systems. How many are going to die if there is a design error. There are enough instances in this world where many have died due to engineering design errors. However, one misdiagnosis can kill only one patient at a time unless the doctor never learns. |
Shawnw
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 11 Sep 2011 19:24:38 GMT Report for Abuse
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Samp,
I believe that asking new graduates to go through the same standardization scheme is the fair thing to do.
Do you think that this is going to work with their high profile contacts? FYI, to practise in SL, everyone should do internship first. But there were two docotors in one of Colombo hospitals, they never did internship. Becasue one of them was a relative daughter of then health minister. This is just one example. I know many cases like that.
Secondly, it is a fallacy that there is no malpractice or misdiagnosis by our doctors.
That is the reason to strengthen the quality of medical services rather than letting in another set of misfits.
Most importantly, your view of engineering errors is grossly wrong. Think of a design error in a structure. How many are going to die if that building collapses. Think of a passenger aircraft with various mechanical and electrical systems. How many are going to die if there is a design error. There are enough instances in this world where many have died due to engineering design errors.
I gave a general example. During design of a building, a TEAM involved, not just one person. Plus a desing takes place several days if not months. So most of the time someone is going to spot the error. Once it is spotted, it can be corrected. But doctors treat individually in few minutes, at least in US. So they have to take quick decisions and that is directly related to thier intellectual capacity.
However, one misdiagnosis can kill only one patient at a time unless the doctor never learns.
Most of engineering errors have enough time to fix. But medical errors are relatively acute, so fix is not possible most of the time. Yes, one such doc can kill one patient at a time, but he keeps treating 20-30 years, you can do the math. Actual problem is not actually killing, but killing-half ! So the patient dies after another several years due to another complication - no body knowing what happened at all.
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SamP
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11 Sep 2011 19:43:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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ShawnW,
Most of engineering errors have enough time to fix. But medical errors are relatively acute, so fix is not possible most of the time. Yes, one such doc can kill one patient at a time, but he keeps treating 20-30 years, you can do the math. Actual problem is not actually killing, but killing-half ! So the patient dies after another several years due to another complication - no body knowing what happened at all.
Even though engineering issues are not pertinent to the discussion, your views about disasters related to technical errors are not exactly right. There was a hotel collapse in US and that design error was discovered only after 114 people died in a matter of few seconds. You can check more information here.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyatt_Regency_walkway_collapse
Once again, I want to stay focused on the GMOA's reaction to opening a non-state medical school, not ancillary matters.
Do you think that this is going to work with their high profile contacts? FYI, to practise in SL, everyone should do internship first. But there were two docotors in one of Colombo hospitals, they never did internship. Becasue one of them was a relative daughter of then health minister. This is just one example. I know many cases like that.
What is your point here? We should not give others a second chance because of these 'many' cases in the current system? If this is the case, then we should clean up the current public systems also. |
Shawnw
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11 Sep 2011 19:50:23 GMT Report for Abuse
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SamP,
Even though engineering issues are not pertinent to the discussion, your views about disasters related to technical errors are not exactly right.
I said 'MOST'. Do not pick an exception to support your argument.
If this is the case, then we should clean up the current public systems also.
You are spot on. That's what exactly need to be done slowly if SL plans to move forward. Not the reverse. |
SamP
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11 Sep 2011 20:29:18 GMT Report for Abuse
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Shawnw,
You are spot on. That's what exactly need to be done slowly if SL plans to move forward. Not the reverse.
You are mixing matters here. You bring up issues with the current public system first and then you use those faults not to give a chance to others. Corruptions issues are everywhere in Sri Lanka, including the public medical systems, in your own admission. Using such wide spread corruption to prevent something else happening is simply irrational. In your theory, we shall not open up anything because there is corruption. In your theory, our country shall come to a stand still because there is corruption. In your theory, we should not allow a new company to build and operate a new port since the Colombo Port has corruption issues. Instead, if there is a problem in the public system, the public system shall be corrected as matter of it's own without irrationally tying those issues to something else. |
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11 Sep 2011 20:39:06 GMT Report for Abuse
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Do you think that this is going to work with their high profile contacts?
If these so called people had contacts in high places, they would be able to travel abroad and get a degree anyway. But the reality is that lot of poor family's decide to sell their land and send their off spring to study in foreign countries, on the whole these qualifications are no more than pieces of worthless paper. The foreign students pay 3 times more than the local students here in the UK, infact, looked at logically, those poor Sri Lankans families are paying for others kids to be educated. I have seen at close hand how some of these students suffer. They are only allowed to work 10 hours a week here in the UK, if these students got a job paying them, maybe 8 pounds a hour, it just about covers their lodging fee for the week, if these students get caught working over the limited hours, technically they can be deported.
I think this college should go ahead by all means but the govt should set the bar high and make the college conform to GMOA exam standards. I think by setting this up in Sri Lanka, they can solve most of these unnecessary financial expenses on their parents also and in the long run help to stop the brain drain from Sri Lanka. |
SamP
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11 Sep 2011 23:34:09 GMT Report for Abuse
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I think this college should go ahead by all means but the govt should set the bar high and make the college conform to GMOA exam standards. I think by setting this up in Sri Lanka, they can solve most of these unnecessary financial expenses on their parents also and in the long run help to stop the brain drain from Sri Lanka.
Agree Joe, Whatever the medical school it is, it shall sticks to the Medical Council standards. Having seen and lived the argument that a non-public medical school will destroy the universe, I believe that our best-of-the-best students and doctors should show leadership by example of excellence. This kind of knee-jerk reactions and flimsy reasons for not giving a second chance to our own brothers and sisters is no longer acceptable. |
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12 Sep 2011 00:43:49 GMT Report for Abuse
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Thinking,
Just the second thread I have read at LNP with some sensible arguments for and against.
As for the issue at hand, I think both are right. The non-medical faculty qualified students should sit for the Act16 and at the same time rules should be enacted for local students too to sit for this exam. This will improve the standard of our Doctors. A nephew of mine got his internship after 2 years. This should be done away. Internships should be given before one year elapses after graduation. |
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