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Did US war crimes stop from Vietnam? Massacre in Haditha November 2005. Where art thou madam secretary Hilary Clinton?

Saturday, 7 November 2009 - 10:22 PM SL Time

On November 19, 2005, Marines from Kilo Company, 3rd Battalion, 1st Marine Regiment, 1st Marine Division based at Camp Pendleton allegedly killed 24 unarmed civilians in Haditha, Iraq, in a three to five hour rampage. One victim was a 76-year-old amputee in a wheelchair holding a Koran. A mother and child bent over as if in prayer were also among the fallen. `I pretended that I was dead when my brother`s body fell on me, and he was bleeding like a faucet,` said Safa Younis Salim, a 13-year-old girl who survived by faking her death.
Other victims included girls and boys ages 14, 10, 5, 4, 3 and 1. The Washington Post reported, `Most of the shots ... were fired at such close range that they went through the bodies of the family members and plowed into walls or the floor, doctors at Haditha`s hospital said.`
The executions of 24 unarmed civilians were conducted in apparent 0aretaliation for the death of Lance Cpl. Miguel Terrazas when a small 0aMarine convoy hit a roadside bomb earlier that day.
A statement issued by a US Marine Corps spokesman the next day claimed: `A US Marine and 15 civilians were killed yesterday from the blast of a roadside bomb in Haditha. Immediately following the bombing, gunmen attacked the convoy with small-arms fire. Iraqi army soldiers and Marines returned fire, killing eight insurgents and wounding another.`
A subsequent Marine version of the events said the victims were killed inadvertently in a running gun battle with insurgents.
Both of these stories were false and the Marines knew it. They were blatant attempts to cover up the atrocity, disguised as `collateral damage.`
The Marine Corps paid $38,000 in compensation to relatives of the victims, according to a report in the Denver Post. These types of payments are made only to compensate for accidental deaths inflicted by US troops. This was a relatively large amount, indicating the Marines knew something was not right during that operation, according to Mike Coffman, the Colorado state treasurer who served in Iraq recently as a Marine reservist.
Congressman John Murtha, D-Pa., a former Marine, was briefed on the Haditha investigation by Marine Corps Commandant Michael Hagee. Murtha said Sunday, `The reports I have from the highest level: No firing at all. No interaction. No military action at all in this particular incident. It was an explosive device, which killed a Marine. From then on, it was purely shooting people.`
The Haditha massacre did not become public until Time Magazine ran a story about it in March of this year. Time had turned over the results of its investigation, including a videotape, to the US military in January. Only then did the military launch an investigation.
These Marines `suffered a total breakdown in morality and leadership, with tragic results,` a US official told the Los AngelesTimes.
`Marines over-reacted because of the pressure on them, and they killed innocent civilians in cold blood,` Murtha said.
Murtha`s statement both indicts and exonerates the Marines of the crime of murder.
Murder is the unlawful killing of a human being with malice aforethought. Premeditation and deliberation - cold-blooded planning - are required for first degree murder. Complete self-defense can be demonstrated by an honest and reasonable belief in the need to defend oneself against death or great bodily injury. The Marines might be able to show that, in the wake of the killing of their buddy Terrazas by an improvised explosive device, they acted in an honest belief that they might be killed in this hostile area. But the belief that unarmed civilians inside their homes posed a deadly threat to the Marines would be unreasonable. An honest but unreasonable belief in the need to defend constitutes imperfect self-defense, which negates the malice required for murder, and reduces murder to manslaughter.
An honest but unreasonable belief in the need to defend constitutes imperfect self-defense, which negates the malice required for murder, and reduces murder to manslaughter.
Many of our troops suffer from post traumatic stress disorder, or PTSD. Lance Cpl. Roel Ryan Briones, a Marine in Kilo Company, did not participate in the Haditha massacre. TJ Terrazas was his best friend. Briones, who was 20 years old at the time, saw Terrazas after he was killed. `He had a giant hole in his chin. His eyes were rolled back up in his skull,` Briones said of his buddy.
`A lot of people were mad,` Briones said. `Everyone had just a [terrible] feeling about what had happened to TJ.`
After the massacre, Briones was ordered to take photographs of the victims and help carry their bodies out of their homes. He is still haunted by what he had to do that day. Briones picked up a young girl who was shot in the head. `I held her out like this,` he said, extending his arms, `but her head was bobbing up and down and the insides fell on my legs.`
`I used to be one of those Marines who said that post-traumatic stress is a bunch of bull,` said Briones, who has gotten into serious trouble since he returned home. `But all this stuff that keeps going through my head is eating me up. I need immediate help.
A key quote from a Marine officer could be used to show premeditation - and thus malice - in support of a possible murder charge against the shooters. An article in yesterday`s San Diego Union-Tribune which is reprinted from the New York Times News Service, cites a report by `one Marine officer` that `inspectors suspected at least part of the motive for the killings was to send a message to local residents that they would `pay a price` for failing to warn the Marines about insurgent activity in the area.`
Curiously, that paragraph is missing from the same story in both the print and online editions of yesterday`s New York Times. For some reason, the Times had second thoughts about that paragraph, and removed it, after the copy had been sent to other papers over the wire.

Regardless of how those who may ultimately be charged with murder fare in court, a more significant question is whether George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld will be charged with war crimes on a theory of command responsibility.
Willful killing is considered a war crime under the US War Crimes Act. People who commit war crimes can be punished by life in prison, or even the death penalty if the victim dies. Under the doctrine of command responsibility, a commander can be held liable if he knew or should have known his inferiors were committing war crimes and he failed to stop or prevent it.
Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld are knowingly prosecuting a war of aggression in Iraq. Under the United Nations Charter, a country cannot invade another country unless it is acting in self-defense or it has permission from the Security Council. Iraq had invaded no country for 11 years before `Operation Iraqi Freedom,` and the council never authorized the invasion.
A war that violates the UN Charter is a war of aggression.
Murtha told ABC there was `no question` the US military tried to `cover up` the Haditha incident, which Murtha called `worse than Abu Ghraib.` Murtha`s high-level briefings indicated, `There was an investigation right afterward, but then it was stifled,` he said.
`Who covered it up, why did they cover it up, why did they wait so long?` Murtha asked on `This Week` on ABC. `We don`t know how far it goes. It goes right up the chain of command.`
Murtha said the decision to pay compensation to families of the victims is strong evidence that officers up the chain of command knew what had happened in Haditha. `That doesn`t happen at the lowest level. That happens at the highest level before they make a decision to make payments to the families.`
During the Vietnam War, the US military spoke of winning the hearts and minds of the Vietnamese people. But in 1968, US soldiers massacred about 400 unarmed elderly men, women and children in the small village of My Lai. A cover-up ensued, and it wasn`t until Seymour Hersh broke the story that it became public.
`America in the view of many Iraqis has no credibility. We do not believe what they say is correct,` said Sheik Sattar al-Aasaaf, a tribal leader in Anbar province, which includes Haditha. `US troops are very well-trained and when they shoot, it isn`t random but due to an order to kill Iraqis. People say they are the killers.`
Graffiti on one of the Haditha victims` houses reads, `Democracy assassinated the family that was here.`
So much for winning the hearts and minds of the Iraqi people.

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Article cut short due to the length. full article is in this link... American hypocrisy is proven with their own set of made up rules.....lets hope they stop interfeering with other countries affairs and rather take care of their own issues related to these acts such as my lai and haditha
http://www.truthout.org/article/the-haditha-massacre


Edited By - Spetsnaz1 - 7 Nov 2009 16:27:00 GMT
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more significant question is whether George W. Bush, Dick Cheney and Donald Rumsfeld will be charged with war crimes on a theory of command responsibility.

I think they should be Iraq war was unnecessary. America is still paying for that with economic collapse etc, Country like SL cashed on the war against terrorism after 9/11 as a result was able to convince a ban on LTTE in the US and EU.
lets hope they stop interfering with other countries affairs and rather take care of their own issues

What if US said we don't want to interfere your country affairs when Kadir was looking to ban LTTE activities in the US, would you be happy ? :))
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Gg,
America is still paying for that with economic collapse etc, Country like SL cashed

global recession has taken its toll on even peaceful countries like Canada you cant blame the economic problems solely on war....

pthe war against terrorism after 9/11 as a result was able to convince a ban on LTTE in the US and EU.

LOL usa banned the LTTE in 1997... I didnt know there was a 9/11 in 1997 as well....

What if US said we don't want to interfere your country affairs when Kadir was looking to ban LTTE activities in the US, would you be happy ?

your implying to a terrorist organization which was banned in USA and many other countries....that is a concern for us for the LTTE activities in USA which in turn will threaten our own country....so it was fair for Kadir and other SL leaders to ask USA this..what was USAs problem when we defeated LTTE terrorists in our own country..look at Hilary a the leading woman in USA making comments like how SLA used rape as a weapon in war and later she saying sorry for those kinds of wrong comments???lol.. this is why USA hypocrisy is at it s best... these articles I posted about mylai and haditha are small examples....you folks trying to white wash USA is just pathetic...

Edited By - Spetsnaz1 - 7 Nov 2009 18:28:18 GMT
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global recession

Global recession started with USA...when USA sneeze whole world get a cold :)) Domino effect!
LOL usa banned the LTTE in 1997

I thought you have to renew the ban every 3-4yrs..(notsure) what I was implying was after 9/11 it made easier to make your case against terrorism
so it was fair for Kadir and other SL leaders to ask USA this..

In that case it's not fair for you to say mind your own biz :)) me thinks..
Having said that I am no Hilary fan :))
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Edited By - groovygirl - 7 Nov 2009 18:36:18 GMT
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you folks trying to white wash USA is just pathetic...

Hi I am not saying USA is a saint..if you have nothing to hide why worry what anyone says :))
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GG,
Global recession started with USA...when USA sneeze whole world get a cold :)) Domino effect!

yes but people coming to this forum and blaming the war on LTTE was the sole reason for economic problems is kind of laughable...:)

I thought you have to renew the ban every 3-4yrs..(notsure) what I was implying was after 9/11 it made easier to make your case against terrorism

once the LTTE is banned in USA I dont think it was very easy for the LTTE to get themselves proscribed in USA... since considering their activities in the world and in SL worsened in the coming years... this is why praba didnt have proper vision for his movement... and which in turn made him a bad leader and Tamils worse nightmare...

In that case it's not fair for you to say mind your own biz

this is like if we harbor Al-Qaida in Sri Lanka you think USA will be quiet???look what they are(the usa) doing to Pakistan. which is a known breeding ground for Al-qaida .... what I m saying is Hilarys hypocrisy is proven when there are more war crimes committed by USA soldiers than the rest of the world...and without shame she comes and talks about other countries....

Hi I am not saying USA is a saint..if you have nothing to hide why worry what anyone says

this is a good point you brought up... this is the exact reason Gen.SF visited USA.. even though some of the clowns shouted that he will be arrested as soon as he step into US soil... but was he arrested? later the clowns claimed that he escaped...lol.... SL got nothing to hide.. it is just bogus diaspora LTTErs and their supporters overseas trying fabricate news and discredit Sri Lanka....

any way this article was posted to show another one of USAs hypocrisy....
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Core bun um bay 'Prabuddha Video' ?
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blaming the war on LTTE was the sole reason for economic problems

War was one of the many reasons why USA went to deep trouble with economy thanks to Bush policies
Countries like Brazil have less impact on recession due to good economic management.

Bottom line is MR and the CO acting like the Bushes/Cheney isolating themselves form the world and you know how that end :))
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Edited By - groovygirl - 7 Nov 2009 19:24:03 GMT
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Adore pea yal
Core bun um bay 'Prabuddha Video' ?

ocar tar mar mar YT eke honda uth thara yark den narn...:) but will up load a few once I get proper clips:))) instead of porno:)) anyway awatar giyar tar clips dan narth ba nowa Amaradevayn gey sinud wala tar..

GG,
Bottom line is MR and the CO acting like the Bushes/Cheney isolating themselves form the world

well LTTE was a parasite to our country... and if getting rid of it will cause a few friendships to turn sour I dont think any real Sri Lankan would really worry... real friends are who will support each other when in time of crisis... and we saw who helped us and who didnt... at least the lost friendships will help us in the future to not to depend on those bad friends:))).,.. we saw when Jaffna was about to be overrun who helped us and who didnt... none of those superpowers or foreign funded organizations such as INGOs or NGOs really cared... but we managed to save Jaffna with the help of few friends....
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none of those superpowers

I think not just USA EU supported Sri Lanka during the war...
relationships went sour only after the war :))
Average person don't have any impact on any of these relationships other than the burden of cost of living :))

real friends are who will support each other when in time of crisis

Now let see how Sarath Fonseka is been treated :))
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Edited By - groovygirl - 7 Nov 2009 19:52:00 GMT
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