| | Laws that govern Thivya and her seven `Sinhala Nazi` dwarfs:)) Monday, 26 October 2009 - 10:36 AM SL Time | | | Internet rules and laws: the top 10, from Godwin to Poe
The internet has matured into a world of its own, and like the real world, it obeys certain immutable laws. Here are 10 of the most important.
By Tom Chivers
Published: 7:30AM BST 23 Oct 2009
Any internet user will know that the web, like the outside world (or meatspace ), follows certain rules.
We take a look at 10, with the most well-known and widely used towards the top and some of the lesser lights lower down. If you know any more, let us know below.
Equally, of course, if you have formulated one yourself, do likewise but you might want to include your real name, not just a web pseudonym. Otherwise it will be known forever as Gherkin555`s Law, or whatever, and you will miss your shot at posterity.
We should state that we are not endorsing these laws or the views they imply, merely reporting them.
1. Godwin`s Law
The most famous of all the internet laws, formed by Mike Godwin in 1990. As originally stated, it said: `As a Usenet discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1.` It has now been expanded to include all web discussions.
It is closely related to the logical fallacy reductio ad Hitlerum , which says Hitler (or the Nazis) liked X, so X is bad , frequently used to denigrate vegetarians and atheists.
Common Godwin`s Law appearances include describing women`s rights campaigners as feminazis , comparing the former US President George W Bush to Hitler, or saying Barack Obama`s proposed healthcare reforms are the new Holocaust.
In its broader sense it can be used to describe any situation where a poster loses all sense of proportion, for example describing New Labour as Zanu-Labour after Robert Mugabe`s Zimbabwean political party Zanu-PF.
As well as the descriptive form, it can be used prescriptively: so if any poster does mention the Nazis in a discussion thread, Godwin`s Law can be invoked, they instantly lose the argument and the thread can be ended.
If this is done deliberately to end the argument, however, it does not apply. This codicil is known as Quirk`s Exception .
2. Poe`s Law
Not to be confused with the law of poetry enshrined by Edgar Allen Poe, the internet Poe`s Law states: Without a winking smiley or other blatant display of humour, it is impossible to create a parody of fundamentalism that someone won`t mistake for the real thing.
It was originally formulated by Nathan Poe in 2005 during a debate on christianforums.com about evolution, and referred to creationism rather than all fundamentalism, but has since been expanded.
Poe`s Law also has an inverse meaning, stating that non-fundamentalists will often mistake sincere expressions of fundamentalist beliefs for parody.
Examples abound one particularly difficult-to-judge site claims that Heliocentrism [the belief that the Earth orbits the Sun, rather than the other way around] is an Atheist Doctrine .
One that must, surely, be a parody is sexinchrist.com (WARNING: link contains adult material), a site that offers Christians advice on the rights and wrongs of such activities as threesomes and pubic shaving, among much more.
However, it is hard to be entirely certain, given the existence of christiannymphos.org (WARNING: link contains adult material), an apparently entirely serious site.
Here is an example of a parody site that embodies both Godwin`s and Poe`s Laws.
3. Rule 34
States: If it exists, there is porn of it. See also Rule 35: If no such porn exists, it will be made. Generally held to refer to fictional characters and cartoons, although some formulations insist there are `no exceptions` even for abstract ideas like non-Euclidean geometry, or puzzlement.
For obvious reasons it is not appropriate for lengthy discussion in a family newspaper, but the recent appearance of Marge Simpson on the cover of Playboy, pictured above, was a (very mild) example of the law in action, and going mainstream.
The spread of fanfic, slash fiction and hentai around the internet, as well as the rise of furries, are making this law more and more accurate every day.
The other 33 rules change frequently, except one and two, which are Do not talk about /b/ and Do NOT talk about /b/ , respectively, referring to a message board on the 4chan.org website.
4. Skitt`s Law
Expressed as `any post correcting an error in another post will contain at least one error itself` or `the likelihood of an error in a post is directly proportional to the embarrassment it will cause the poster.`
It is an online version of the proofreading truism Muphry`s Law, also known as Hartman`s Law of Prescriptivist Retaliation: `any article or statement about correct grammar, punctuation, or spelling is bound to contain at least one eror`.
Language Log quotes the following example, from Paul Ordoveza`s How Now, Brownpau? blog:
`For too long, we linguistic pedants have cringed, watching this phrase used, misused, and abused, again, and again, and again. `This begs the question...` [we hear], and we must brace ourselves as the ignoramii of modern society literally ask a question after the phrase.`
While Mr Ordoveza`s point is entirely valid ( begging the question is a logical fallacy, meaning to `beggar the question`, or assume your conclusion in your premise not to raise the question), the plural of ignoramus is ignoramuses.
It was apparently first stated by G Bryan Lord, referring to a user named Skitt, on Usenet in 1998.
5. Scopie`s Law
States: In any discussion involving science or medicine, citing Whale.to as a credible source loses the argument immediately, and gets you laughed out of the room. First formulated by Rich Scopie on the badscience.net forum.
This law makes little sense without a background knowledge of Whale.to, a conspiracy theory site which includes such items as the complete text of the anti-Semitic hoax Protocols of the Elders of Zion, as well as claims that Aids is caused by vaccination programmes, and that Auschwitz never happened.
It has been expanded by posters on rationalwiki.com to include any use of Answers in Genesis in an argument about creationism and evolution.
6. Danth`s Law (also known as Parker`s Law)
States: If you have to insist that you`ve won an internet argument, you`ve probably lost badly. Named after a user on the role-playing gamers` forum RPG.net.
Danth`s Law was most famously declared in The Lenski Affair , between microbiologist Richard Lenski and the editor of Conservapedia.com, Andrew Schlafly, who cast doubt upon Prof Lenski`s elegant experimental demonstration of evolution.
After what is widely held to be one of the greatest and most comprehensive put-downs in scientific argument from Prof Lenski, Mr Schlafly declared himself the winner.
7. Pommer`s Law
Proposed by Rob Pommer on rationalwiki.com in 2007, this states: A person`s mind can be changed by reading information on the internet. The nature of this change will be from having no opinion to having a wrong opinion.
8. DeMyer`s Laws
Named for Ken DeMyer, a moderator on Conservapedia.com. There are four: the Zeroth, First, Second and Third Laws.
The Second Law states: Anyone who posts an argument on the internet which is largely quotations can be very safely ignored, and is deemed to have lost the argument before it has begun.
The Zeroth, First and Third Laws cannot be very generally applied and will be glossed over here.
9. Cohen`s Law
Proposed by Brian Cohen in 2007, states that: Whoever resorts to the argument that `whoever resorts to the argument that... has automatically lost the debate` has automatically lost the debate.
Has also been stated in the much longer version, `Whoever resorts to the argument that `whoever resorts to the argument that... `whoever resorts to the argument that... `whoever resorts to the argument that... `whoever resorts to the argument that ... `whoever resorts to the argument that... ...has automatically lost the debate` ...has automatically lost the debate` ...has automatically lost the debate` ...has automatically lost the debate` ...has automatically lost the debate` has automatically lost the debate.`
10. The Law of Exclamation
First recorded in an article by Lori Robertson at FactCheck.org in 2008, this states: `The more exclamation points used in an email (or other posting), the more likely it is a complete lie. This is also true for excessive capital letters.`
It is reminiscent of the claim in Terry Pratchett`s Discworld novels that the more exclamation marks someone uses in writing, the more likely they are to be mentally unbalanced.
According to Pratchett, five exclamation marks is an indicator of `someone who wears their underwear on the outside`.
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Aani Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 04:39:56 GMT Report for Abuse
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Baks is an example of Pommer's Law (No:7).
I think Gonnamba too.
From having neutral views, LNP changed them into Veeraya spokesmen:)) |
Aani Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 04:52:59 GMT Report for Abuse
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Good News for Shiranthi. Her long awaited shopping trip to the Hague is getting closer:))
Karadzic genocide trial to begin
Radovan Karadzic has said he will defend himself at the trial
The trial of former Bosnian Serb leader Radovan Karadzic is due to begin at the International Criminal Tribunal for the former Yugoslavia (ICTY).
Mr Karadzic denies 11 charges of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocities relating to the Bosnian war of the 1990s.
The 64-year-old was brought to the ICTY last year, after 13 years in hiding.
On Thursday, Mr Karadzic said he would boycott the hearing because he needed more time to prepare his defence.
When you speak to a woman who tells you that 21 members of her family have been assassinated, you can easily measure the importance of this trial
Secrecy still shrouds Srebrenica
'The biggest, most complex, important and sensitive case ever before this tribunal is about to begin without proper preparation,' he warned.
The start date has already been put back twice, and his threat came after a request for a further 10-month delay was rejected.
In July, the court dismissed Mr Karadzic's appeal that the case be dropped because he said he had been offered immunity from prosecution by former US mediator Richard Holbrooke in 1996 if he agreed to quit public life. Mr Holbrooke denies the claim.
'Abbreviated' case
Judges at The Hague insist the trial will begin as scheduled at 0800 GMT on Monday with the prosecution's opening statement.
But the BBC's Geraldine Coughlan at The Hague says it is unclear how they will proceed if Mr Karadzic does not appear in the dock.
Their options include suspending the trial, imposing counsel to represent him, starting without him, or forcing him to attend.
More than 100,000 people were killed during the 1992-95 Bosnian war
Mr Karadzic, who is defending himself, is not due to give his opening statement until next week. One of his lawyers, Peter Robinson, told Reuters news agency that he would boycott the trial until he was prepared.
The former president of Republika Srpska, head of the Serbian Democratic Party (SDS) and commander of the Bosnian Serb Army has refused to enter pleas, but says he will co-operate with the court to prove his innocence.
He was indicted in 1995 with two counts of genocide and a multitude of other crimes committed against Bosnian Muslim, Bosnian Croat and other non-Serb civilians during the 1992-1995 war, which left more than 100,000 people dead.
The charges relate to several events, including the campaign of shelling and sniper attacks on Sarajevo during the 44-month siege of the city, in which some 12,000 civilians died.
Mr Karadzic is also accused of being behind the massacre of more than 7,000 Bosniak (Bosnian Muslim) men and youths in Srebrenica in July 1995, and of attacks on more than a dozen Bosnian municipalities in the early stages of the war.
'The prosecution alleges that Karadzic committed all of these crimes together with other members of a joint criminal enterprise with the aim to permanently remove Bosnian Muslim and Bosnian Croat inhabitants from the territories claimed to be a part of the so-called Serbian Republic,' the ICTY said in a statement.
THE CHARGES
Eleven counts of genocide, war crimes, crimes against humanity and other atrocities
Charged over shelling Sarajevo during the city's siege, in which some 12,000 civilians died
Allegedly organised the massacre of up to 8,000 Bosniak men and youths in Srebrenica
Targeted Bosniak and Croat political leaders, intellectuals and professionals
Unlawfully deported and transferred civilians because of national or religious identity
Destroyed homes, businesses and sacred sites
Mr Karadzic faces a maximum sentence of life in prison if convicted.
Correspondents say the judges want to complete the trial by 2012, conscious that the trial of the former Yugoslav President, Slobodan Milosevic, ended without a verdict after four years when he died in custody.
Prosecutors have abbreviated the scale of their case, which Mr Karadzic says depends on more than a million pages of testimony, and will call fewer witnesses and include alleged crimes in fewer locations.
'This trial is important for the victims who will finally see justice being done,' chief prosecutor Serge Brammertz told AFP news agency.
'When you speak to a woman who tells you that 21 members of her family have been assassinated, and for some of them she even has no idea where the bodies are, you can easily measure the importance of this trial.'
Mr Brammertz said his only regret was that the former Bosnian Serb military leader, Ratko Mladic, would not be in the dock on Monday.
When Mr Karadzic was found living disguised and under a false name in Belgrade in July 2008, some officials claimed that Gen Mladic would be next. But more than a year on, Gen Mladic is still at large.
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AnuD Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 04:55:25 GMT Report for Abuse
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This is the best.
Aani posts the article and AAni keeps on commenting too.
But, you need years to pass my number of comments. |
bakamoona Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 04:58:11 GMT Report for Abuse
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Aani
Your article & comments need careful study before a response!
:))
My recycling seems to be having an effect stronger than I had anticipated!
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Aani Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 04:58:32 GMT Report for Abuse
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Aani posts the article and AAni keeps on commenting too.
But, you need years to pass my number of comments.
LOL! Anu you got me there. I talk to myself. What to do.. Beheth gaththe naa:))
As for years, your articles turn the clock back:)) |
Aani Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 05:00:01 GMT Report for Abuse
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Baks
Your article & comments need careful study before a response!
:))
My recycling seems to be having an effect stronger than I had anticipated!
:o)
LOL! Take your time mate! My interactions with you have always been pleasant:)) |
AnuD Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 05:12:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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As for years, your articles turn the clock back:))
What did you say ? |
Pawan98 Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 05:27:57 GMT Report for Abuse
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According to Pratchett, five exclamation marks is an indicator of 'someone who wears their underwear on the outside'.
Aani, I guess six means no underwear at all ?
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Roshan2007 Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 06:22:12 GMT Report for Abuse
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Aani,
Laws that govern Thivya and her seven 'Sinhala Nazi' dwarfs:))
So it is all Thivyas fault.
rest of the diaspora are as clean as a white board. ::))
Anyway after long time you posted something that is not modachoon.
a good post. great achievement man! |
AMIGO Senior Member
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26 Oct 2009 06:34:16 GMT Report for Abuse
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7. Pommer's Law
Proposed by Rob Pommer on rationalwiki.com in 2007, this states: A person's mind can be changed by reading information on the internet. The nature of this change will be from having no opinion to having a wrong opinion.
This is what happend to Thivya or this is what she is trying to do to us :o(( |
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