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Tamilnadu Chief Minister`s daughter concerned about fall of Kilinochchi in Sri Lanka
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 6 Jan 2009 05:21:32 GMT Report for Abuse
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If what you are saying is true, why do you think he is supporting the LTTE but pretending to be otherwise?
Gaja,
He is either sinhalese or he was brought up in a sinhalese environment. His sinhala enables him to get inside the opposite side and attack from the within.
If he openly supported LTTE like 'piranha' he could never persuade anybody from the otherside. Its always much more effective if you can get inside the opposing camp and sabotage their plans.
So he is faking this un-biased observer persona, but his main message is always to criticize the government's war effort. He uses words to mislead the reader, but his message is clearly to persuade people to stop the war and give LTTE another chance.
He doesn't acknowledge that
(1) during the 2000-2005 period, the Sinhalese were for power devolution, opposed the war, and supported the discussions with LTTE.
(2) that it was the LTTE which was not honost in negotiating, and were calling for talks only to blindside the government.
He would claim that he has a solution, but can not give an specific direct answer. |
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6 Jan 2009 05:35:01 GMT Report for Abuse
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To MR and his supporters such as you, anyone who is opposed to MR the UPFA/PA/SLFP are either LTTE supporters, are on the LTTE paylist, support terrorism etc etc.
I am a supporter of the current war. I am totally against VP and his LTTE. I think LTTE should be eliminated before Tamils can enjoy any kind of power devolution. There is no secret about it.
But you on the other hand, claim that you have a solution, but can not tell us anything specific that Ranil haven't already offered to the LTTE. You are asking to give power to North and East and not to LTTE, but you completely ignor the ground reality which is that LTTE will control evrything that is in North East as long as they are there, and whatever you give goes directly to the hands of the LTTE.
You say give them devolution, but not a separate state, but you can not tell me the main difference between the two (in your mind)
You say the GoSL has to TELL THE TRUTH, but you ignore the fact that a government does not have a monopoly of controlling what people get to hear. You ignore that EVERY SL goernment was viewed suspiciously by the people after a few years, and no government can persuade people to accept any kind of an idea.
What I am trying to say is you completely ignore that the LTTE has to take some steps to gain the people's trust. You put that burden totally on the govrenment while the LTTE is, by its behaviour, showing to people that LTTE will never settle for anything less than a separate country.
You have no hesitation to blame and ridicule the government and its millitary officers, in this difficult time, while exaggerating the LTTE capabilities.
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6 Jan 2009 17:09:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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You ignore that EVERY SL goernment was viewed suspiciously by the people after a few years, and no government can persuade people to accept any kind of an idea.
What i meant was no government can persuade people to accept any 'TRUTH' other than they already see and hear.
People of SL have observed what LTTE was doing for the past 30 years, and no government can brain-wash people to change their minds about LTTE overnight.
kiwikanga,
You are ignoring what the LTTE can and could have done to maintain the trust of the people in the south. (Not a total blind trust - but a trust that the LTTE will allow a political solution- in terms of devolution )
you have not shown how to assure the people of SL that LTTE will not fight for a SEPERATE COUNTRY.
here is the basic truth that you ignore purposely:
The peplle in the south would not approve of even sending a couple of penlight batteries to the Wanni, because of LTTE, so How can you expect people to approve a massive political power sharing with the LTTE ?
Others have written these things better than I have. Read Magha's posts. i am just writing to shwo that people are not fooled by your sinhala.
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 6 Jan 2009 20:38:40 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ruhunu,
You have the impression that I am not a sinhalese, you have the impression that I am an LTTE er you also have the impression that I am a tamil brought up in a sinhala evironment which I can say are fibs of your immagination. All that seems to be because I do not support what MR is doing and because I do not see eye to eye with you as you see things from MR's eyes!
You are entitled to have what ever opinion as a horse can be taken to water but it cannot be made to drink that water. I have told you that my town is Moratuwa and that I am a sinhalese, still if you prefer not to accept it, so be it.
I look at things without taking anyones side. I am against MR as he is hoodwinking the entire nation and now even the IC. He uses the war to cover up the massive corruption and losses he is causing the nation. He is taking the country towards a dictatorship and there would be no democracy or law and order in SL very soon. Of course MR and those hanging around him would no doubt benefit. He would be SL's Robert Mugabe.
You had mentioned that my 2000 postings reflect what the LTTE says and that I am in agreement with VP BUT you
have not cited at least one example from of my 2000+ postings where I have agreed with what VP and the LTTE are doing.
There is no point in arguing with you as you prefer not to read what I have mentioned about the devolution of power. You prefer not to mention MRs backtracking where earlier he was for a political solution and a devolution of power but now he seems be avoidig the issue, you don't see that as hoodwinking do you?
So there is no point in my arguing with an individual with an obstinate mentality such as you. You and MR and and his supporters feel the end of the LTTE is here, and that with the end of the LTTE the country would see peace and that everyone is going to live happily everafter.
As I see it as long as sinhala extemism and tamil extremism exhist there will be no bright productive future for SL. Today SL is what it is because of what our sinhala extremists and opportunists have done with the help of the tamil extremists.
PS
You ignore that EVERY SL Govt...
That was not an excerpt from one of my postings!
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 6 Jan 2009 21:05:48 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ruhunu,
I agree that there are people who do get into the other side towards sabotage. If Kiwikanga is suspected of doing this - then it is my belief that we need to recognize only suggestions that are extensions of his already done real work - i.e. facts based suggestions. Kiwikanga has revealed that he is not committed to this path and hence my own criticism of him in this thread and some others. He, like Berty and Piyal has resorted to low level language - revealing their true selfish nature. Time tells.
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6 Jan 2009 21:10:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ruhunu to Kiwikanga,
You have no hesitation to blame and ridicule the government and its millitary officers, in this difficult time, while exaggerating the LTTE capabilities
I identify with your feelings that one needs to take a clear stand about areas that are not administratively covered laws and rules. Hence political solution where we vote decisively. The likes of Kiwikanga have their own agenda and hence are therefore not focused on the war. Hence they are not capable of delivering the solutions from within. |
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6 Jan 2009 21:27:13 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ruhunu,
I am a supporter of the current war. I am totally against VP and his LTTE. I think LTTE should be eliminated before Tamils can enjoy any kind of power devolution. There is no secret about it.
I disagree here. I started off condemning armed rebellion. This isolated me from many prominant members of my community who saw value in that path. They said that 'we tried the non-violent path and it failed to deliver'
As a democratic person I did not block their path but I did not participate in it. In 2003 because of the Ceasefire - I was able to play the role of Administrative consultant. The offer came through a strong devotee of Saint Yoga Swami - our Jaffna Saint in whom I have deep faith. Killinochchi is also Swami's area and I already had feel for the 'land' through the farmers in my family to whom Killinochchi is home. That gave me true experience and since then my investment in the issue have deepened. This paved the way for me to include Tigers in my thinking - not only because I found most of them to be genuine in what they did - but also because I felt that they had majority support in that area. I respect majority feelings in areas where intellectual solutions would not deliver global level outcomes.
With this real feeling within me and having experienced the armed soldiers and their hasty ways to 'show' their might - I became the problem from the Tamil side - without any imaginary additions. This helped me realise that if not for the LTTE - Tamils would be worse off when there is a conflict between Tamil and Sinhalese and that the government is not capable of protecting the Tamils at a higher level than they would protect the Sinhalese. In other words, the government is not committed to affirmative action in terms of armed attacks.
Jaffna Tamils are fearful of being attacked by armed officers. I felt it even recently in relation to some of the students whom I am helping in relation to International Higher Education. Some even suggested doing the IELTS in India rather than in Colombo.
The government cannot provide all these facilities. We have to do it ourselves. Towards this we need to feel confident that our paths would not be blocked. Towards this LTTE have to remain an armed force of Defence - like Private security for Tamils. |
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6 Jan 2009 21:30:40 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ruhunu to KLiwikanga,
What i meant was no government can persuade people to accept any 'TRUTH' other than they already see and hear.
I disagree. Majority vote facilitated to be based on feelings. Those connected by feelings know from within. This is faith based connection. It's influence is automatic and natural. Like God, It exists but we cannot see or hear. Seeing and hearing confirm what we know inside.
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6 Jan 2009 21:39:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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you have not shown how to assure the people of SL that LTTE will not fight for a SEPERATE COUNTRY
Only those who are capable of 'showing' that Sri Lanka would be governed by the group that would uphold the commonness of all Sri Lankans before recognising the differences on ethnic basis - has the right to require anyone to show that someone would not fight for separation on ethnic basis. If our previous governments had worked to use affirmative action towards equal status for minorities, this assurance would now be FELT within. Both sides have to work harder through new activities and sacrifice deeper in the old ones towards a new Sri Lanka that does not celebrate when one part is in pain. |
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6 Jan 2009 21:41:29 GMT Report for Abuse
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I look at things without taking anyones side
Then you are limited to intellectual outcomes which are not reality in Sri Lanka. Majority vote is reality in today's Sri Lanka. |
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