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150 Sri Lanka Army killed, Tigers locate 30 SLA bodies in Northern Front
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lankanlover99
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 24 Apr 2008 15:29:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tigeress,
you should see the light and become a sri lankan buddhist, that way all your problems about a buddhist state will be at an end! |
RealKaruna
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 24 Apr 2008 15:32:29 GMT Report for Abuse
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See wht happened in jaffna right after they lost and annihilated in the front lines, to cover their Impotence they arrested six tamil students on the street returning home from the tutions, 3 girls and 3 boys, killed all of them after raping the girls and handed the bodies over to the jaffna hospital.
ModaMutha,
I agree with you that recruitment to SLA could be a problem. This is why Rambukwella and Co. are telling blatant lies on ITN, talking about the 'great victory' at Muhamalai.
If the Jaffna incident is true, there will be many more wanting to join the LTTE.
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24 Apr 2008 15:36:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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When they needed real close air support, The US used Proppellar driven Douglass Sky-raiders that can go low and slow and drop bombs and strafe the ground. They were real tough planes that can take a lot of hits without missing a beat.
http://www.richard-seaman.com/Aircraft/AirShows/Gillespie2005/Highlights/SkyraiderWithSpeedBrake.jpg
We don't have that kind of A/C.
gonnamba,
Do you not think that buying planes suitable for close air support should have been a higher priority than buying Mig 29's?
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RealKaruna
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24 Apr 2008 15:42:13 GMT Report for Abuse
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since independence from the British, the Sinhalese built a Buddhist state on the expenses of the Tamils. can you please name something that i can say proudly that , that is srilankan!
Tigress,
I suppose the Sri Lankan cricket team is the only thing which includes all races. Apart from this, segregation of the races is almost total in Sri Lanka. There was a news item a few months ago about a Tamil girl whose parents wanted to send to Viskha. She was not admitted! Visakha is only for Sinhala Buddhists!
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 24 Apr 2008 16:04:07 GMT Report for Abuse
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RealKaruna,
Do you not think that buying planes suitable for close air support should have been a higher priority than buying Mig 29's?
The problem is this.. There is nothing much out there for our guys to buy and the few that are there, the countries are probably not going to sell them to GoSL. Airforce can not win this war. It can be only called upon to attack targets behind enemy lines, out in the sea or to provide air cover once a swath of land is captured and cleared by the ARMY with the helicopter gunships and to evacuate the injured.
LTTE dictates the way this has to be fought and sheer numbers of soldiers is not the answer.
What happened shows the ignorance of Fonseka. That's all. Ltte is doing what they are ready to do always.
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tigeress19
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 24 Apr 2008 16:16:58 GMT Report for Abuse
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RK
I suppose the Sri Lankan cricket team is the only thing which includes all races.
hmm may be, but it has no value to unite the tamils! |
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24 Apr 2008 16:31:14 GMT Report for Abuse
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@tigress
nice to see you again :)
Lankanlover99:
Tigeress,
you should see the light and become a sri lankan buddhist, that way all your problems about a buddhist state will be at an end!
you know what..this really cracks me up. tell me...what is the difference between a Sinhala buddhist and say...a Sinhala Christian?
BOTH of them converted thanks to missionary work!
PLS PLS dont tell me Mahinda(nonno..not H.E MR, but Asoka's putha)and sangamittha wernt missionaries?
you guys gave up whatever your native religion was and 'converted' en masse into Buddhism.now you folks are making derogatory remarks about people of other religion :)). did not even have the guts to stand up to mahinda and say 'no thank you we will stick with our native religion the religion of our ancestors'. yet thse very same people wax so much about their 'buddhist' heritage. to a Tamil this looks the same as a Sinhala Christian talking about how great his religion is. both follow non-native religions
this is hilarious...a convert advising others about religion.at least We Tamils have stuck to our native religion thank you :))
PS: im not saying that Buddhism is bad, in fact i have utmost respect for it. but can you folks do away with the 'we are the original Sinhala Buddhist talk? its laughable!
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tigeress19
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24 Apr 2008 16:51:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear velir
nice to see you too,,
PLS PLS dont tell me Mahinda(nonno..not H.E MR, but Asoka's putha)and sangamittha wernt missionaries?
yes , they were,,
this lankanlower99 and the likes of him or the majority of the Sinhalese them selves do not know their identity.
if you ask them, what is your identity , is it, you are a Buddhist or Sinhalese, they do not know,,
their way of describing is very difficult,,
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any one who speaks sinhalam is Sinhalese or any one who follow Buddhism and speak sinhalam is Sinhalese .
then what about the Christians and Muslims who speak sinhalam.
when it comes to the religion Buddhism, there were lots of Tamil Buddhist in the north and east as well as in Tamil nadu as well. you may have read the manimekalai which is about the Tamil Buddhists.
no doubt the island was a Hindu kingdom before the arrival of Buddhism, sinhalam is born with the arrival of Buddhism to the island is a mixture of Tamil ,pali and Sanskrit languages.
the sinhala language is revived only after the Independence from the British! most present day Sinhalese at that time spoke Tamil and later converted to full sinhalam.
the cause for the conflict in the island is, the greedy Sinhalese trying to over ride the Tamils identity systematically, the Tamils do not have problem with the Sinhalese being Sinhalese, Buddhist or Christians or Muslims..
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Velir
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24 Apr 2008 16:55:15 GMT Report for Abuse
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^^exactly
they remind me of the Hispanics, the native Americans totally enamored with the invading Spaniards religion&culture that they have totally forgotten/lost whatever they had before.
so much so that they consider themselves Aryan? :))
and i agree there were tamil Buddhists and Jains too, but None of them identified themselves in a 'religious' term. they were tamils first and tamils last.whereas the Current Sinhalese have totally confused religion and race and are unable to even 'think' that they are but followers of a foreighn religion too.
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Dear velir,,
let me share some valuable info with you ,, we had some lengthy constructive conversations with some other sinhala people here in LNP and this is post is posted by a member called LULA,, (very nice person)
Tigress,
I wish you the same, a very happy theepavali to you and your entire family.
All what Muchalinda has told you about 'my theories' is not true.
Most of what I quote here are taken from or what I understood from the writings of renowned historians like Prof. K.Indrapala, Prof. Leslie Gunawardana and a few others.
Regrettably, after the ethnic conflict erupted, in the last three decades, a new breed of pseudo-historians or his-story tellers have evolved and Unfortunately, Muchalinda only follows these charlatans.
Coming back to the history, before the 12th CAD and after 3rd CBC, that is after emperor Ashoka sent his Buddhist missionaries and converted the King Devanampiya Tissa (Theva Nambiya Theesan) and later his subjects (including Tamils) into Buddhism, almost all the natives of Sri Lanka (including the Tamils) became Buddhists.
Also, during the period from 3rd CAD to 6th CAD, Buddhism had spread widely in Tamil Nadu and won the patronage of rulers there.
The major urban centers of Kanchi, Kaveripattinam, Uraiyur, and Madurai were centers of Buddhism and Jainism. These were also important centers of Pali learning.
It was at this time that Tamil Nadu gave some of its greatest scholars (both Theravada and Mahayana) to the Buddhist world.
Three of the greatest Pali scholars of this period were Buddhaghosa, Buddhadatta, and Dhammapala and all three of them were associated with Buddhist establishments in the Tamil kingdoms. Two of them, Buddhadatta, and Dhammapala were Tamils. The third and the most celebrated, Buddhaghosa is one about whom reliable biographical details are not available but a large number of Pali works are attributed to him.
It is a well-known fact that even Tamil Buddhist monks of South India used Prakrit or Pali languages in preference to Tamil in their writings. This is because the Buddha spoke in Prakrit and Pali and were considered to be the sacred languages of the Buddhists.
As Buddhism was one of the dominant religion in both Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka, naturally there were very close relations between the two regions. The monks from Sri Lanka too, went across to the Tamil kingdom and stayed in the monastries.
The situation in Tamil Nadu, however, began to change towards the beginning of the 7th CAD when the rise of Vaishnavism and Saivism posed a serious challenge to Buddhism and Jainism. There was a significant increase in Brahmanical influence and soon the worship of Siva and Visnu began to gain prominence.
The Buddhist and Jaina institutions in Tamil Nadu came under attack when they began to loose popular support and the patronage from the rulers. One result of this was the migration of Buddhist and Jaina monks and devoted lay members to kingdoms where they could find refuge. While the Jainas were able to go to Kannada and Telugu regions, the Buddhists turned to Sri Lanka.
Anthropologist Obeyesekera makes a strong case for Buddhist migrations from South India as a consequence of the Saiva-Vaishnava movement.
During this early peroid, it was not easy to identify or differenciate the people of Sri Lanka as Tamils and others because they were all living together as Buddhists and their names were very similar, and most of them were able to speak Tamil and the Hela languages.
As per the pre-historic and early historic inscriptions in Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka, the Tamil names did not end with an 'n' or an 'm' or an 'i', but were very similar to those Prakrit or Pali names ending with 'a'.
It was only in the last few centuries that the language, the shape of the characters, the names etc. have evolved into the present form. This might have happened after the Tamils developing what it is commonly called as the 'pulli (dot) system' which is peculiar to Tamils in particular among the Indian lanaguages and due to this dot system the words/names ending with 'a' ends up with 'n' and 'm'.
That is why, if the chronicles such as the Mahavamsa did not mention about the Tamil Kings of Anuradhapura and if our historians were to depend only on the inscriptions, we would not have known that these Kings were Tamils. But at the same time, there would have been many native Tamil Buddhist Kings out of the many rulers whose ethnic identities the chronicles may not have mentioned at all and therefore we will never know.
Since, Pali and Prakrit languages were widely used among the monks and Tamil and Hela were common among the people and most of the Kings knew almost all of them, there was hardly any differences among the Sri Lankans before the 12th CAD.
For your information,
There were 12 signatories to the Kandyan Convention of 2nd March 1815 AD which includes the British Governor Brownrigg and 11 Sinhalese Chiefs (Adikars, Dissaves and others) of the Kandyan Provinces.
The best part is, most of these Sinhalese Chiefs like Ehelepola, Pilimatalawe the elder, Pilimatalawe Junior, and Ratwatte have signed in the TAMIL language and Molligoda, Dullewe, and Millewe have signed in both Tamil and Sinhala.
This shows that even during the 19th CAD, not only that the Sinhalese were fluent in the Tamil language but it was also widely used.
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