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President confident Oil will gush from Mannar
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Magnum357
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 8 Feb 2008 09:30:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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SenaM
A better comparison is with neighbouring India
I think it is there that you have got the entire thing in a wrong perspective.
Sri Lanka has power hungry corrupt politicians (in all the parties) who are hell bent on feathering their own nests rather than thinking of the country and the well being of the nation. I doubt India having ANY politician as greedy and corrupt as those found in Sri Lanka.
Also India has what is called a 'National Policy' Sri Lanka has nothing of a 'National Policy' except where when the perks of the politicians are suggested for increase there is unity.
India has a leadership with a vision and if you were to look at India 10 years ago and compare that to India that is there today you would realise at to in what leaps and bounds India has developed. Can you say the same with Sri Lanka? Our leaders have taken the country backwards.
Therefore just because oil MAY come our way it does not mean that it would be the turning point in Sri lanka's economy. It is very likely to be the beginning of a new set of problems.
Edited By - Magnum357 - 8 Feb 2008 09:33:11 GMT |
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Sri Lanka has power hungry corrupt politicians (in all the parties) who are hell bent on feathering their own nests rather than thinking of the country and the well being of the nation. I doubt India having ANY politician as greedy and corrupt as those found in Sri Lanka.
There are plenty of corrupt politicians in India .. they are held in check by a 'working' Democracy, and in general an 'effective' (morally 'up-right') Judiciary.
Sri Lanka's case is complicated because of the 'stresses' placed on the country's democratic structures by the on-going military confrontation. (There is no other way to 'end' this situation .. other than by GOSL taking the 'upper-hand' decisively, and neutralising the challenger .. speedily).
I happen to be an optimist .. find the JVP and other forces (within the democratic fold), opposed to the central figures in charge of 'state-funds' as an effective counter-balance to mis-appropriation of petroleum resource funds (when they start 'flowing') ..
The 'Nigerian' example does not fit the Sri Lankan scene .. |
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| Immediately after his election victory blood start gushing from Tamil youths in Nirvely Jaffna, if it was intigated by MR or not, he did nothing to stop. Ever since he held real power abductions and killings have become a part and culture on Sri Lankans in the north and East and now slowly spreading to the South. If he wants to see Sri Lanka enter 21st century he must investigate the killings propagated in his name of Sinhala Buddhism. |
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If he wants to see Sri Lanka enter 21st century he must investigate the killings propagated in his name of Sinhala Buddhism.
We are into the 21st Century .. violence in SL has nothing to do with this country 'stepping' into the 21st Century.
Killings in SL occur due to an un-scrupulous bunch of thugs masquerading as 'liberation tigers' killing tamils, muslims and sinhalese .. while making demands on the Govt of Sri Lanka .. for a separate state. These killings will end when this murderous bunch of thugs are eliminated ..
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9 Feb 2008 03:06:28 GMT Report for Abuse
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SenaM,
There are plenty of corrupt politicians in India .. they are held in check by a 'working' Democracy, and in general an 'effective' (morally 'up-right') Judiciary.
I have not said there are NO corrupt politicians in India. What I said was 'there would not be ANY politician in India as corrupt as those found in Sri Lanka'.
You yourself have admitted that the corrupt politicians in India are 'held in check' by a 'working democracy' and in general an effective judiciary. Correct! That is why Indian politicians are not as corrupt as those found in Sri Lanka. That is why India has developed and progressed in leaps and bounds.
It is because Sri Lanka does not have a system to hold corrupt and violent politicians in check that we find politicians running riot with presidential blessings. No difference for the corruption indulged in. That is why Sri Lanka has gone on 'reverse' in terms of progress and development.
So that is why I say even if oil WERE to gush from Mannar the country is not going to benefit like Nigeria, but those in power would.
On your own facts isn't it clear that the Sri Lankan scenario cannot be compared to the Indian scenario?
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9 Feb 2008 03:42:56 GMT Report for Abuse
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So that is why I say even if oil WERE to gush from Mannar the country is not going to benefit like Nigeria, but those in power would.
Believe you are confused .. No one is holding up Nigeria as a country, 'doing well' because of its oil wealth .. least of all my-self. (There is rampant corruption in Nigeria .. and its vast oil wealth does not reach the bulk of its population, who remain ignorant and poor).
I am saying that 'democratic processes' in SL are under severe stress because of the on-going military confrontation .. however, when we manage to overcome the threat of secession, and get back to normalcy .. we'd be better able to 'hold' GOSL responsible for its financial management .. especially with regard to 'divdends' from petroleum resources.
Of course finding oil/gas in SL is going to be beneficial .. look at countries like Brunei, and Indonesia .. which are ruled by potentates (or a few powerful families). Even in these countries, people are 'better off' on account of the moneys flowing into these countries, from oil/gas sales. Feel sure, we'd be able to achieve a much better 'distribution of wealth' in SL as compared say to Indonesia .. from petroleum resource-wealth.
Good as India's record is .. we should aim for a much better rating than that. (Take my word for it .. there are much better examples 'out there' than India, which we can try to emulate).
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SenaM,
Believe you are confused .. No one is holding up Nigeria as a country, 'doing well' because of its oil wealth .. least of all my-self. (There is rampant corruption in Nigeria .. and its vast oil wealth does not reach the bulk of its population, who remain ignorant and poor).
It's you who is confused! You have said Nigeria cannot be compared to Sri lanka and then draw anologies from Nigeria which is exactly what goes on in Sri Lanka!
What you have mentioned is exactly what I have said in other words which I attribute to the fact that Sri Lanka's economy will not benefit even if oil gushed from Mannar.
Nigeria has oil and the country remains poor. Similarly if Sri Lanka gets oil, Sri Lanka also will remain poor and the people will not benefit from that oil. Those in power in Nigeria benefit from the oil so would it be in Sri Lanka.
There is rampant corruption in Nigeria which goes unchecked. Similarly there is rampant corruption in Sri Lanka which also goes unchecked.
The bulk of Nigeria's population remains poor and ignorant, same with Sri Lanka, eventhough we claim a high rate of literacy. Politicians are able to hood wink that highly literate population hook,line and sinker!
The war in Sri Lanka has nothing to do with the corruption of politicians. War or no war corruption will be there all time till Sri Lanka has true patriotic statesmen getting into politics who will work for the benefit of the Nation. When such an era would dawn of course leaves a big question mark!
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The 'Nigerian' example does not fit the Sri Lankan scene ..
This is what I said. And since you cannot understand a simple statement like that .. let me elucidate.
Nigeria is an example of a country known, for mis-management of its oil-wealth. (This is largely because of the poor level of education of its people .. the disparity between the thin veneer of the rich & powerful, and the mass of the people is vast).
I said the Nigerian example does not apply to Sri Lanka .. meaning, if and when we find our own oil and gas, we would also be able to hold the Govt accountable .. much better than Nigerians have done .. in the wealth (benefits) percolating to the people at large.
Let me say again .. we have a more educated public in SL .. and the democratic process in SL is more vibrant (alive), than in Nigeria.
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Nigeria is an example of a country known, for mis-management of its oil-wealth
Is Sri Lanka well known for its good management of wealth?
if and when we find our own oil and gas, we would also be able to hold the Govt accountable
Mention ONE thing where our people have been able to hold the government accountable?
How is oil going to make the difference?
we have a more educated public in SL .. and the democratic process in SL is more vibrant (alive), than in Nigeria.
Most of the educated public who can do SOMETHING for the country have gone abroad. Those that remain have to bow down to the whims and fancies of the uneducated policy makers decesions.
However I agree with you that Sri Lanka STILL has a democratic process more vibrant than Nigeria BUT that vibrant democracy is on a steady path of deterioration and before long wouild be on par with countries such as Nigeria.
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Most of the educated public who can do SOMETHING for the country have gone abroad.
Understand 'magnum357' has also left Sri Lanka .. or, is planning to leave. Going by his estimation .. the country is beyond hope. Piti-ful, pathetic comment.
In my opinion, we are better off without the ilk of 'magnum' .. in SL.
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