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Ariyalai_SB
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 19 Jan 2007 13:06:59 GMT Report for Abuse
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Saervek,
When was Mahavamsa get translated in Sinhala? |
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 19 Jan 2007 13:12:45 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nandamithra...although I may not agree with Ariyalai on many other ideologies, I am compelled to agree that with him that the Maldives was never a part of Sri lanka for sure. The language Divehi might resemble the Sinhala Language no doubt but has a tincture of either Tamil or Malayalam mixed as well.
Perhaps it would be always better to make research or verify before we make any irresponsible utterances when dealing with Histories. |
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 19 Jan 2007 13:13:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB,
I think Nandhimitra is correct, from 1887-1948 The Maldives were administered as a Ceylonese dependancy.
When was Mahavamsa get translated in Sinhala?
I'm afraid I don't quite get your point here. Could you elaborate please. |
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19 Jan 2007 13:49:32 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nandhimitra,
Thank you for being patient to understand the different views and concur on them. |
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19 Jan 2007 14:28:13 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB & morafines,
First I would like to thank saervek for partially answering the Maldives question posed to you SB.He is correct by saying Maldives was a dependency of Ceylon.
Only Banda's time in 1960's we gave up Maldives.After all when we could not manage our affairs how can we govern other countries.Also during King Dutugemunu's time when he was preparing for the Big War with Elara from Magama his war horses were bred and trained in Maldives.(I can't remember the name for Male in those days,but I'm sure it was a Very famous ---- Rata then.)Those islands were governed by a minister of Dutugemunu.(NOT MERVYN SILVA).
As far as Sinhala language was concerned when Vijaya came to Heladiva or Lanka the language of the Island was Helabasa.With him came sanskrit also.That's how the Sinhala language started.2500 to 10000 years back highly
advanced sinhala civilization existed in lanka.Great engineers,architects and scientists existed in ancient Sinhalese civilization.When Aryans came to Asia and India
Tamils or the Dravidians were pushed down from northern and west of Indian subcontinent.Only proof we have to own lanka as Sinhalese private property is the Sinhala Language and the unique irrigation systems that the ancient Sinhalese built which you do not get ANYWHERE IN THE WORLD.
If Tamils were there in lanka before Sinhalese they would have come from south India or vise versa.How come in Tamil nadu there isn't single tank?How come all the ancient carvings and other stuffin northern and easter provinces are in Sinhalese.That's the very reason Eelamists are destroying all historical evidence in that part of the country.
I would like to make a point by saying every language has foreign words to enrich that language.In sinhala we have Sanskrit,Pali,Indonesian, Latin,English,Tamil and many more foreign words.Even Malayalam,Telegu and Portuguese.All languages it's the same.Maldivians speak the ancient Hela Bhasa or Ancient Sinhalese.
English word Anaconda is derived from Sinhalese word Henakandaya.(Please refer). |
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19 Jan 2007 14:52:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nandhamitara,
Will come back about Maldives later; in the meanwhile, please read the following forums:
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2005/9/3766.html
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2006/10/8918.html |
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19 Jan 2007 15:24:05 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB,
Maybe you should give specific page references or a summary of what you want him to read, because there is 46 pages on one link, and 94 on another, asking him to read that lot is unreasonable, especially in lieu of answering something he was actually talking about (The Maldives). |
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20 Jan 2007 05:39:45 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB,
I will try my best to go to the links.In the mean time I would like your opinion about the language issue.Do you agree or disagree?If you disagree on what basis?Also I'm waiting to hear from you about Maldives.Thanks so much for your valuable contribution to this forum.
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20 Jan 2007 06:20:10 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB,
You posed a question earlier by asking whether India was part of Srilanka rather sarcastically.The answer is historically yes during pre Vijaya period (2500 to 10,000years before Vijaya came to SriLanka)part of south India was ruled by ancient Hela people of SriLanka.At that time Dravidians were inhabiting North,Central and West Indian Subcontinent.They were pushed to the south by the Aryan invasions of India at latter stage.According to Ramayana ya Ravana went to south India to kidnap Sita to take revenge of cutting his sister's nose by Rama in India.At that time the Ruler of that part of India was Ravana's sister Suparna.Ravana was the Almighty king of Lankapura the ancient Heladiva.He brought Sita to Lanka in his Dandumonare(Flying Machine) long time before wright brothers.Post Vijaya period during King Gajaba's time with Neelamaha Yodhaya(Giant)Sinhalese invaded part of India and brought back fifteen thousand Tamils as slaves to work in Lanka.If you have the time please research on these topics.(Note-RAMAYANAYA WAS WRITTEN BY VALMIKI AND NOT BY THE SINGHALESE).
Also Buddhism was spread to the world by SriLankan Buddhist priests during Anuradhapura and Polonnaruwa period.(To:South India,Burma,Thailand,Laos and Vietnam etc)
That's the very reason Mahawansa was not written by a Tamil Buddhist priest.When south Indian Invaders came Lanka and destroyed temples and robbed the country like today, SriLankans had to import Buddhism from countries such as Burma and Thailand again.If you want hard evidence please visit Pagan and Ramanna of Burma.Also Aauthya of Thailand. |
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 20 Jan 2007 17:11:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nandhamitira,
Sorry for the belated response: I had to take flight yesterday.
I was somewhat astonished when you made the following claim:
Maldives was part of Lanka until recently? Maldives was part of Lanka until recently?
I have been debating on these forums for over one and a half years; debated with many Sinhala Buddhist hardliners, but no one to this date claimed that Maldives was part of Sri Lanka! I never came across any such claims anyway.
You further claimed:
First I would like to thank saervek for partially answering the Maldives question posed to you SB.He is correct by saying Maldives was a dependency of Ceylon.
Only Banda's time in 1960's we gave up Maldives.After all when we could not manage our affairs how can we govern other countries.Also during King Dutugemunu's time when he was preparing for the Big War with Elara from Magama his war horses were bred and trained in Maldives.(I can't remember the name for Male in those days,but I'm sure it was a Very famous ---- Rata then.)Those islands were governed by a minister of Dutugemunu.(NOT MERVYN SILVA).
So, according to you, Sri Lanka only gave up Maldives during the 60s; this is staggering to say the least!
Sri Lanka gained independence in 1948 from the British; there is no dispute on this.
The Maldives Islands gained independence in 1965 from the British; do you dispute this?
In order for your claim to be correct, the British must have handed the islands over to Sri Lanka; is this your claim?
Please refer the Britannica website: http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-4501/Maldives
I am giving you a few quotes:
The archipelago was inhabited as early as the 5th century BC by Buddhist peoples, probably from Sri Lanka and southern India. According to tradition, Islam was adopted in AD 1153.
When one says people from Sri Lanka, one cannot automatically conclude that they were Sinhalese; during the ancient times, both Tamils and Sinhalese were devout Buddhists.
I do not know as to where you got the information that Gemunu trained his troops in the Maldives; the only source must be the Mahavamsa; please clarify if this is the case. Even if this were to be true, one cannot claim that the Maldives were part of Sri Lanka!
Further quote from the Britannica website:
The Portuguese forcibly established themselves in Male from 1558 until their expulsion in 1573. In the 17th century the islands were a sultanate under the protection of the Dutch rulers of Ceylon (Sri Lanka), and, after the British took possession of Ceylon in 1796, the islands became a British protectorate, a status formalized in 1887.
So, before the Portuguese arrived in the Maldives, was it part of Sri Lanka? Please provide evidence to this effect. I can see that the Dutch were ruling both Sri Lanka and the Maldives at the time when the British defeated them; as a result, both countries came under the control of the British.
I do not want to start another history debate after we have been through several rounds of such debates. What I will say is that; the Sinhala language is a pure product of Indic languages including the languages from the South of India, mainly the Tamil language. Several scholars including many Sinhala Academics concluded that the Sinhala language is a cross between Indo-Aryan and Dravidian languages. Hence, for such a language to evolve, Sri Lanka must have populated by various communities since the early ages by peoples from both North and South of India. I believe that both the Sinhalese and Tamils in Sri Lanka are mixed. The Tamil language survived within the North and East of the island due to heavy influences of Tamil Nadu. Hence, there is no basis that Sri Lanka belongs to the Sinhalese only.
I have nothing against the Sinhala language; it is a wonderful language, and believe that it will thrive even better under peaceful conditions. |
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