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GreyFox
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LK Information  17 Mar 2007 12:19:48 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Mig-29c

Do you know if Lanka will start manufacturing JDAM like tail-kits for their dumb bombs? We need more precion guided bombs to reduce civilian casaulties as much as possible.
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Hey ppl..

to greyfox.. the Vector Mk2 is made by INTEGRATED DYNAMICS
of pakistan..here is a link to the product page :

http://www.idaerospace.com/vector/vector_mk2.html

The Vector Mk2 is also known as SHADOW X-1. It is said to have a 150km range and 5hr endurance n a 25BHP engine.

hope this helps..
Edited By - nemesislk - 17 Mar 2007 15:47:17 GMT
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Mig-29c

Do you know if Lanka will start manufacturing JDAM like tail-kits for their dumb bombs? We need more precion guided bombs to reduce civilian casaulties as much as possible.


Greyfox,

The circular area of probability of the SLAF has improved tremendously from the earlier phases of the conflict when they relied on SF-260s and others for air support. That said, there is no subsititute for 'HUMAN INTEL' and/or target verification with air borne programs for real time feed back to assets in the air.

A few of the high profile strikes gone south may be attributed to imprecise intel as opposed to imprecise weapons delivery. Also, the planners need to wield the air power with responsibility to avert civilian losses.

Gone are the days of Curtis LeMay and 'Bomber' Harris.
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Hi people .. haven?t been to this thread fro long time.. but I got a grate news I think I have just find out the Mystery Air craft that Mr Mig29 used to inform before..

Its a none other than Mig29 it self.. I got this info from an interview Lnakadeepa had with Defense Secretary Mr Gotabaya.. its in the Security Situation section on the Lankadeepa Sunday edition dated 18/03/07 . this interview is about the purchasing Mig 27?s , and the so called fraud which took place according to those 2 expelled ministers , In that interview He (DS) clearly said that there planning to acquire Mig 29?s in near future.

Ok ! now is the show time!! , any one in this thread and Mr Mig29 him self can explain this ,?? and Mr Mig29c I hope you can verify this ..
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Nemasislk

Thanks for the links bro. nice pics.

Rataperata

I doubt that the new mystery aircraft is a mig-29 fulcrum. Mig-29c himself said lanka only purchased only 1 of this mystery aircraft. Whats the point of just buying just 1 jet fighter? Besides why would we buy a mig-29 when all the known operatators of this aircraft(who can help us maintain the jets)are faraway countries? Its just not practicle.

I think the mystery aircraft is more of an advanced surveillance type than a combat type. Then again I could be wrong.
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LK Information  18 Mar 2007 09:11:07 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Mr.j2k6

From this thread, it seems like the role of the pilot in flying and firing weapons simultaneously is being phased out (or has phased out).


That is the eventual goal; the end result is to have a fully autonomous combat air vehicle.

These vehicles can be tasked with flying several types of missions. One particular mission profile is to have the aircraft fly a pre-programmed mission, fly and fight by itself, and return to base. Or the other scenario is to have a man in the loop; usually on a ground based command centre with a secure data-link, flying the aircraft and engaging evolving real-time threats. This class of vehicles are called UCAV's (Unmanned Combat Air Vehicles).

Research in this field is ongoing and at advanced stages in several countries. In the US we have several flying flight test aircraft.

At the present stage, till this technology matures, the systems on modern combat aircraft are there to ease the burden on the pilot so that he can concentrate on flying. The offensive systems on modern combat aircraft detect, prioritise, calculate a firing solution and a suitable weapon for attack without the pilot having to do anything. The only decision the pilot has to make is whether to destroy the target or not.

For eg. slaf mi helicopter pilots have something that lets the machine gun track its own target (am i correct?)


To a degree - Certain Mi-24V and Mi-35P HIND gunships with the SLAF are equipped with what's know in the industry as a FLIR (Forward Looking Infrared) sensor - ELBIT System CoMPASS IV. This sensor can track any moving target that has a quantifiable heat signature. On the Mi-24V this sensor is slaved to the 12.7mm YakB four-barrelled machine gun. However a firing sequence will only be initiated once the weapons system operator presses the trigger.

The mig27s also have something similar I think when it comes to droping a bomb very precisely on its target? It makes the plane fly in a pre selected pattern to drop the bomb on a target. Is that what the Prkn system is supposed to do?


Yes - The PkNK-23M is integrated with the aircraft's automatic control system to enable automatic flight, without pilot involvement on a per-programmed route with up to six waypoints.

meanwhile the pilot just sits there and lets the computer do the flying?


In a modern air-defence environment the pilot has to contend with evading air and ground based threats which complicate the situation considerably.


Mr. nemesislk

Do the Russians have 30mm air burst ammo? And can they be fired from Gsh-6-n-30 gatling?s of the SLAF floggers?


The RUSSIAN's do not have air-burst munitions.

The GSh-6-30 is designed to fire RUSSIAN high-explosive-incendiary (OFZ), high-explosive-incendiary tracers (OFZT), incendiary (FZ) or armour-piercing-explosive (BZ) shells in weights of up to 400 g. The effective range for aimed fire against ground targets was 1,200-1,600 m, and against aircraft was 200-600 m.

However, technically the cannon would be capable of firing any 30mm shell that is roughly (165mm long, 30mm diameter).

Therefore if there is an Air-Burst munition available on the market that fits these dimensions, then yes the GSh-6-30 should be able to fire it.

How effective would air burst ammo be in CAS role?


Very effective.

And what are the differences between MIG-27M and MIG-27K made by Irkutsk plant?


The MiG-27K was developed to allow the Flogger fighter-bomber to carry laser-guided bombs and missiles. They introduced a new (Kaira-1) laser designator and TV sighting system specially designed for this aircraft. This was integrated with the PrNK-23K sighting and navigation system. The laser designator could be cued onto a pre-programmed target by the new Orbita-20-23K digital computer, and the computer ensured the laser would remain locked onto the target while the aircraft manoeuvred.

The Kaira-1 also incorporated a new TV camera in the nose. The TV channel included an image contrast intensification capability, which improved target acquisition range and tracking performance in adverse weather conditions.

Although optimized for using the KAB-500L laser guided bomb and the Kh-25L laser guided ASM, the MiG-27K also retained the ability to use older radio-command missiles. With this distinctive 'pimple' on the tip of the nose, a massive broad oval window for the TV camera and a bulky under-nose laser designator, the MiG-27K had distinctive nose contours.

The aircraft also introduced a new wing leading edge root extension (LERXes), which also improved aircraft controllability and handling at high angles of attack.

The MiG-27K entered service in 1980, but proved too expensive for mass production. As a result only 197 aircraft were manufactured at the IRKUTSK facility.

In service the MiG-27K gained a number of new weapons, including the KAB-500Kr TV-guided bomb, long range Kh-29L Kh-29T air-to-surface missiles. The aircraft also gained a limited SEAD (suppression of enemy air defences) capability using Kh-29PS and Kh-31P anti-radiation missiles. These weapons made the MiG-27K broadly equivalent to the Su-24M Fencer-D in capability, albeit with shorter range and with no attack/terrain-following radar.

Following the Cold War, arms limitation treaties forced RUSSIA to make some difficult choices in deciding which aircraft types would be retained and which would be retired. In the end, the decision was taken to retain only twin-engined types, a move which MiG-27's. Many argued for the MiG-27K to be retained on the grounds of its extraordinary capabilities.

The MiG-27M was a less sophisticated low-risk alternative to the MiG-27K, because it was considered that at the time, the development of the MiG-27K would be protracted and risky. The MiG-27M made its maiden flight 16 months after the MiG-27K.

The MiG-27M had a new PrNK-23M sighting and navigation system and an Orbita-15-23M digital computer based on the systems that were fitted on the MiG-27K. However, unlike the MiG-27K the new version lacked a TV channel, and relied on the less capable Kylon-PM laser designator and range-finder. This new laser allowed considerably restricted manoeuvring after weapon release compared to the Kaira-1 laser designator on the MiG-27K. The Kylon-PM was also restricted in the range of precision guided weapons it could cue. The MiG-27M could not use the KAB-500L laser guided bomb, Kh-27PS anti-radiation missile or the Kh-31P anti-radiation missiles. The MiG-27M could however still fire the Kh-29L laser and Kh-29T TV guided missiles.

The aircraft has the same extended LERXes as on the MiG-27K.

I thought I saw a MI-171 like helicopter with the SLAF. Do we have them? Are they from ULAN-UDN plant?


The SLAF has one Mi-171 (CH582). It is used primarily as a VIP transport.

Yes this aircraft I believe was assembled at the ULAN-UDE facility.


Mr. Su33

If so why can't you guys convey the same message to your trans-atlantic allies UK?


The concern in the US and the UK is the sluggish nature of the Sri Lankan Governments pace in finalising a power-sharing package.

What is trying to be highlighted is that even though we support your countries endeavour to combat Thamil Tiger terrorism, there should not be an absence of will to put forward a power-sharing proposal. Military victories should not blind, or encourage the present administration in your country into thinking of trying to dilute a genuine power sharing mechanism.

Speaking on behalf of the US, I can tell you that we do in fact appreciate the difficulties faced by your country in combating the Thamil Tiger insurgency. In terms of screening its civilian support base and identifying individuals connected to this organisation, we do understand the practical difficulties your law enforcement agencies face. We're beginning to understand these issues ourselves in domestic and international theatres.

However our concern is the number of times blatant violation of human rights have occurred; with the judicial process in your country being extremely ineffective in administering justice with accountability and transparency.

Although we believe the Thamil Tigers have not been sincere about settling for a political settlement based on power sharing and the concept of a united Sri Lankan state; this does not absolve the Sri Lankan government from its responsibility towards its minorities by putting forward a workable devolution package.

We are a little disappointed the Sri Lankan government has not capitalised on this opportunity to put forward anything yet.

Do not misunderstand our criticism as a lack of support - believe me when I tell you that the US is doing a lot for your military behind closed doors than you think. We just want you guys to address these issues sincerely with a workable devolution package. You'll see what I mean later on in my reply.

dont you think the LTTE vessels have been sailing South of Indonesia and emerging through the Southern coastal front to bypass the eastern sea board of Srilanka?


Quite possibly :o)

Or is it classified since both GOSL and israel denied such claims?


The event occurred .. however the details are considered classified, and I rather not say anything about it.

Your asking very dicey questions here .. :o)


Mr. GreyFox

Does the Lankan UAV have a name?


I am not aware of any official designation

Is it hand launched like the American Raven UAV?


The UAV taxis and lands like a normal aircraft.

This UAV is a lot bigger than the RQ-11 Raven.

Does Lanka plan to create bigger longer ranged UAVs with more endurance in the future?


I am not aware of any such plans.

Where can I find pictures of the Lankan UAV and the vector MK2 UAV? I tried searching for their pictures online but was unsuccessful.


http://www.idaerospace.com/vector/vector_mk2.html

http://www.irandefence.net/showthread.php?t=2903&page=2

Do you know if Lanka will start manufacturing JDAM like tail-kits for their dumb bombs?


Again I am not aware of such a plan..


Mr. rataperata

In that interview He (DS) clearly said that there planning to acquire Mig 29?s in near future..


I don't believe this information is entirely accurate ..

What your Defence minister might be alluding to is the possible acquisition of more MiG-27's .. I have heard something to this effect in the recent weeks, along the usual grapevine :o)

Edited By - Mig-29C - 18 Mar 2007 09:49:35 GMT
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I informed this forum last year about 2 x Ex. IAI KFIR C.7 ground-attack aircraft that were being modified for Night-Attack missions. This in addition to other military related equipment from ISRAEL, was earmarked for the Sri Lankan military.

As I highlighted then these acquisitions were approved and promoted by the US.

I can now finally reveal a civilian news source to confirm this:

''..According to reliable sources, the US has agreed to encourage Israel to supply more military equipment to Sri Lanka. The US is likely to pay for it..''


By B. Raman
15.03.2007

http://www.saag.org/papers22/paper2171.html


I can reveal more details about this development on a later date as certain segments of information get declassified.

These actions are the result of the continued belligerent attitude of the Thamil Tigers toward a negotiated settlement in Sri Lanka. I warned the pro-LTTE lobby within this forum about the consequences of this strategy.

I can also safely reveal something your not going to hear anywhere else:

'' Our government is willing to provide our Sri Lankan counterparts with extremely detailed, high definition visual and thermal maps of the Northern districts in Sri Lanka. This package will also include a GPS reference map, with accuracies down to 1m. ''


I dont have to inform anyone of the consequences of having this level of intelligence.

I hope for the sake of peace the Thamil Tigers can be convinced to accept the following conditions:

(1) Renounce claims for a separate State
(2) Renounce violence
(3) Accept the pluralistic democratic polity of Sri Lanka.
Edited By - Mig-29C - 18 Mar 2007 14:36:37 GMT
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MiG 29. Thankyou for answering my query. Given how busy you must be, its really appreciated on this end. I'm not at all 'expert' at this, but im thrilled i can get my questions answered by a pro! Also very glad to hear the US is helping sri lanka with satelite imagery...

But a bit disappointed we're not getting the fulcrum :(
That would have looked awesome (..albeit impractical!). Sadly, I doubt I'll ever live to see the day our country can afford some of these high end 'toys'. But by jingies! We'd look good riding em!
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Mig-29c

Thanks for the info man. We are lucky to have a guy like you on this board.
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J2k6

Lanka can afford the Mig-29 jet($20 million) but why should we be looking to get the mig-29 when the JF-17/FC-1($15-$20 million) is a more practical option produced by coutries that could easily help us maintain those jets.

I just wish Lanka could buy the Su-30 flanker($40 million) but it is too expensive for us right now.
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