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Su33
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LK Information  8 Mar 2007 18:42:13 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Guys guys,

Lets not ruin this thread and make it to another 'go around the mulberry bush' style thread.

This is by far the best thread in this forum, so lets not please ruin it :-) Thanks guys.

p.s. - well said SenaM, eskimo06 and Snake2.

by the way Mr Mig29 - I like the word 'regime change'. You guys did it in Iraq, and are convening the message to Iran through satellite boardcasts, VOA etc. Why not the LTTE? ;-)
Edited By - Su33 - 8 Mar 2007 18:53:08 GMT
tamilcanuck
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This is by far the best thread in this forum, so lets not please ruin it :-)


I'll respect that request.

practised by the 'fathers' of Nale, TCK and their ilk.


i was brought up by my parents with the idea that everyone was equal. sinhalese tamils muslims whatever!!. now if you have an inferiority complex then i cant help it.

looks like the phrase rent-a-pilot caught some of you off guard. good!! It was coined by me when talking with Mig before you guys jopined the forum. Infact in the early yrs it was foreign pilots who were involved. I am aware that its lankans now but there is a lot of foreign involvement.

if its too hard to digest Bite me!
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Ms.Su33

my guess is its been bypassing the Indian/Israeli/US ocean assets off the Eastern Ocean - am I correct Mr. Mig29?


I cant really say.. cause I haven't heard anything from our side about this particular incident..

I was also wondering, is there any chance of SLAF equipping the MI24 fleet with LGBs like Vikhrs? When it comes to USAF heliborne LGBs, how does the original Hellfires compare to the LGB version of it - the Hellfire II? Is there any difference in CEP?


As far as I know - I haven't heard anything from any of my sources about the SLAF searching for such a capability..

The CEP is roughly the same on the AGM-114B - K on most engagement envelopes.. However in adverse weather, the engagement envelope of the HELLFIRE II only suffers slightly whilst the AGM-114A and B suffers considerable deterioration in their engagement capability.

The following link should make this more clear to you:

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/missile/agm-114.htm


Mr.Tamilcanuck

I do keep you under 'surveillance' though since that incident since there is still a piece missing!!


:o) .. you never fail to amuse me .. indeed, and do tell me when you find this ''missing'' piece.

land can be captured anytime but lives are important. during op jeyasikur the SLA was on the march for 18 odd months which was pushed back in under 72 hrs!!.


Its highly unlikely the LTTE will be able to reclaim what they have lost in the EAST of Sri Lanka..

The reason the Thamil Tigers have suffered numerous defeats in the last 8 months is because they completely underestimated the ability of their opposition, in this case the SLA and to a large extent the SLAF.

It would appear previous SLA operations in the late 90's suffered embarrassing defeats because of poor planning, un-realistic tactical objectives set by political agendas, and an almost total lack of air-support.

These conditions prevailed again in the recent Muhamali battle when the SLAF was again not informed or requested to provide close air-support.

It is highly unlikely the LTTE will be able to replicate the high profile victories it won in the late 90's in today's theatre. That's my personal assessment.

the only difference this time is the rent-a-pilot unit. no doubt its having an effect. but setbacks are something one has to expect


I've been telling you and everyone in this forum this fact for the last 2 years .. but you balked at the suggestion at the time :o) .. I hate to say I told you so.

And the unfortunate reality for the Thamil Tigers is that the SLAF has thus far only used 30% of its present operational capability..

The SLAF is yet to reveal quite a few weapons/tactics/mission capabilities it currently posses. Unfortunately that's as much as im willing to reveal .. you'll see when it happens, wait and see..

so tried tested formula is what we must head to.


Should be interesting .. well if the Thamil Tigers do go after economic targets I can tell you that you wont be winning any friends on my side of the border or across the Atlantic.

do you have any comments on trinco with Diego garcia in the
background.


What is it that you want to know??

now the GOSL doesnt need the LTTE expressed written approval to do it do they


The foundation to your question is based on the simple perquisite that the Thamil Tigers have given an inclination or even some form of assurance that such an undertaking will be supported and accepted by them..

The reality is they haven't!!..

Will the moderate average thamil civilian or politician be able to enjoy the benefits of such an arrangement in the North or East if the Sri Lankan Government was to do so?? The answer is no.. Till the Thamil Tigers accept the concept of political pluralism and give up violence, their track record clearly indicates their willingness to eradicate any member of the public that stands in the way of the sated ideologue of their leader - A separate state.

So in that context why should the Sri Lankan Government go about changing her constitution if there wont be any tangible benefits to any party?

Until the Thamil Tigers accept the following:

(1) Renounce claims for a separate State
(2) Renounce violence
(3) Accept pluralistic democratic polity of Sri Lanka.

Changing the Sri Lankan constitution will be a meaningless academic exercise..

On a tangent note - since we're on the topic of approval.. If the Thamil Tigers do represent the Thamil people and their interests as they say they do - I will inform you of this:

'' It has been made very clear on several occasions to representatives in the Thamil Diaspora residing in the US by our government, that if the Thamil Tigers embrace these principals and publicly announce to adhere to a federal solution, the present US government will do all it can to convince the Sri Lankan government to accept such a proposal. ''

I take it this message has been conveyed to the Thamil Tigers and their leader .. so answer this - if the Thamil Tigers were genuine about peacefully resolving the conflict in your country, why hasn't the Thamil Tiger leader accepted this offer?? If the Thamil people are indeed genuine stakeholders in their own supposed freedom struggle, and want a fair meaningful solution - why hasn't the Thamil Tigers given their approval to certain civilian representatives here in the US their acceptance??

Simple..

The Tiger does not, and will not ever want peace in Sri Lanka for her people, which includes the innocent thamil civilians they purport to represent..

BTW the democracy you talk about doesnt exist in the banana republic!


Now that's a matter of personal opinion..

Personally from my perspective - however flawed the Sri Lankan government is, they are eventually accountable in the Global arena.

This compares with the total sense of unaccountability present within an organisation like the LTTE.

That's the BIG difference.

invade a SECULAR country on manufactured evidence and turn it upside down and will possibly leave it with a civil war raging and an islamic state


Like ive said many a time - I never agreed or supported the idea to invade IRAQ, it was mistake.. there were other options available at the time that were not pursued by the present administration.

Edited By - Mig-29C - 12 Mar 2007 22:05:36 GMT
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Hambanthota Ship Yard becomes a reality it seems.. :o)

http://www.dailynews.lk/2007/03/13/news02.asp
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The army's deep penetration unit (LRRP) in Action Too :o)

http://defencenet.blogspot.com/2007/03/ltte-major-killed-in-lrrp-attack.html
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2 Air strikes today in the ''Batticaloa Bowl'' using Mig's and Kfir's..

Interestingly nothing on 'Tamilnet.com' or 'sibernews.com'.. or my personal favourite, 'Tamileditors.com'..

Not even the usual scripted press release, '' Sri Lanka Air Force (SLAF) MiG bombers dropped bombs on a civilian settlement...''

AFP had the following to say:

''An east LTTE (Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam) intelligence leader identified as Irakkian and a training instructor were among the dead,'' the ministry said of the air strikes on Monday.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20070313/wl_sthasia_afp/srilankaunresttoll_070313080756
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Did they used any guided bombs this time? any evidence guys?

cheers!
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Hey MIG-29C and all,

Thanks for the great replies. A few questions please.

Do the Russians have 30mm air burst ammo? And can they be fired from Gsh-6-n-30 gatling?s of the SLAF floggers?
How effective would air burst ammo be in CAS role?
And what are the differences between MIG-27M and MIG-27K made by Irkutsk plant?
I thought I saw a MI-171 like helicopter with the SLAF. Do we have them? Are they from ULAN-UDN plant?
Thanks
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LK Information  14 Mar 2007 11:16:28 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Dear Mr. Devout,

Simple..

The Tiger does not, and will not ever want peace in Sri Lanka for her people, which includes the innocent thamil civilians they purport to represent..


If so why can't you guys convey the same message to your trans-atlantic allies UK? The other day margaret beckett the British foreign secretary sent out some hot air saying SL was on a spree of 'unjustified military spending'. What crap is that? If its ok for the british to send some brand new multi-billion pounds worth of military satellites into orbit (Skynet 5a, 5b and 5c) and to upgrade their tridents to protect itself from an invicible enemy (god knows who), what's wrong in us doing so against a really potent, clearly visible enemy as the LTTE? Hope you understand my anger Mr. Mig29 towards such blatant hypocrisy (I am sure others feel the same).

I cant really say.. cause I haven't heard anything from our side about this particular incident..


no, no, what I meant was dont you think the LTTE vessels have been sailing South of Indonesia and emerging through the Southern coastal front to bypass the eastern sea board of Srilanka?

Another question to you if you don't mind - I once remember janes reporting that Israeli Submarines in May 2000 test firing some nuclear capable cruise missile using german built dolphin subs. Janes further reported that they operated out of SLN bases. Can you shed more light on this? Or is it classified since both GOSL and israel denied such claims?
Take care Mr. Mig29.
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Mig-29c

Thanks for the info of the Lankan UAVs, you sure are handy:)

Does the Lankan UAV have a name?

Is it hand launched like the American Raven UAV?

Does Lanka plan to create bigger longer ranged UAVs with more endurance in the future?

Where can I find pictures of the Lankan UAV and the vector MK2 UAV? I tried searching for their pictures online but was unsuccessful.
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