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rataperata
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 7 Dec 2006 01:28:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hi Mig29C again thanks for your valuable info .. couldn?t ask more .. great stuff mate ,. I got couple Q ?s for ya
According to your prev post .. now SLAF Jet fleet stand as
10 kfirs .. (excluding the 2 TCs and the one which lost it will be 8 fighters 2 C7s & 6 C2s)
8 Migs ( excluding the UB23 plus the new 4 arrivals it will be 7 fighters )
15 operational fighters .. hope im correct here ..
1. What happened to those 3 Mig27M we had earlier (CF737, CF735, CF731) are they already Upgraded or serviced .???
2. What actually SLAF going to do with the rest of the Kfir C2 fleet I think we got 6 C2?s. are they going to upgrade those to C7???
When it come to upgrade fighter from a one version to anther how exactly its been done ..??
I know in most cases it?s the Avionics that upgrade cause the airframe stays same ( unless Kfir C10 .. which got long Nose .. and In-flight Fuel gage ..) . and normally where they do it ??..
do we have to send theses fighter back to IAI to get upgraded ..?? and how long will it take for upgrade ..??
why cant we do it in SL..?? and for Kfirs to upgrade from C2 to C7 how much will it cost .. is it worth ..
Waiting for your answers ?.
Edited By - rataperata - 7 Dec 2006 01:40:55 GMT |
Biggles
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7 Dec 2006 02:10:46 GMT Report for Abuse
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I say chaps!
Why not us a Mosquitoes with 4 40mm guns on the nose for ground attacks? 4000lb of bombs too!
Come in low over the horizon and spray the trenches with the finger on the trigger all the way. Drop the pay load along the way... Flying at 400 mph and low it would be a piece of cake!
Mig 27C? Now that is cheating, and too easy. (Oh, too expensive with all those gadgets and you need concrete runways, mechanics trained in India, and what else?
I used to fly the Mosquitoes with Bertie and Ginger... Bertie did most of the recce jobs from a distance that made Jerry really upset!
Still, I say chaps, how do you fight terrorists with Migs?
By the way these Mosquitoes are for real... do see them here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YuQ6pMb1Jsc
I think they would cost a lot less than those Ukrainian MiGs. You could attack an entire line with 40 of these babies and let you infantry walk in right after.
The Mosquito was a great plane in my time and I loved flying these. Ginger was the best at it, as he really like to hug the tree tops and Jerry had nasty surprises! |
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7 Dec 2006 02:33:48 GMT Report for Abuse
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Snaky-Two! You know me! What an amazing thing. Who would have thought of that old boy?! You know Ginger too?
Did you see those documentaries on the Mosquitoes? Good for ground attack (bombs and .303 machine guns). I suppose in your time you could use heavier guns...!
Cheerio now!
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Saervek
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 7 Dec 2006 03:03:06 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mig-29C,
Thanks for the info, read with appreciation as always.
With the new aircraft, I think you mentioned that the SLAF ordered a single unit, that's a pretty unusual number for a fighter-type aircraft, I was just wondering if they are ordering one primarily for evaluation with the expectation of further orders later on? My personal guess was that this is probably a SIGINT type plane, I suppose you'll tell us at the right time.
Secondly, would you be able to enlighten us on some of the local munitions manufacture? Specifically SLAF I suppose, although info on the other services would be welcome if you can give it. I've heard of manufacture of some of the 57mm rockets used on the Hinds, and some GPBs. Do you know whether the Paveway's are allowed for export (to SL)? Because if so I imagine the SLAF could mate any locally produced Mk. 80-type bombs to the Paveway kit, as required (provided of course they manufacture the right bombs). I imagine the same conversion could be carried out to convert FAB-500s to KAB-500s, if they can get the (Russian) kit (and if they make the bomb).
One last question, do you know whether the Corps of Artillery uses extended range munitions? I know most of the Chinese origin howitzers are in theory capable of firing them, and especially considering the ltte's lack of long-range artillery assets, a 130mm Type-59 firing ERFB-BB munitions would be able to hit most of the ltte artillery bases at no risk to themselves, or the RM-70s firing Type-90s could do a similar job.
Thanks again for your info, and good luck with your project.
Edited By - Saervek - 7 Dec 2006 05:05:34 GMT |
Arian
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7 Dec 2006 04:05:49 GMT Report for Abuse
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Who is this guy Biggles? Whoever he is, this joker should get off the this forum. We are trying to get a serious discussion going on what the SL forces need to win the war and the last thing we need is a either Britisher or Sri Lankan who pretends to be a someone talk shop about his imaginary WWII fighters.
Go find a more suitable forum in Old Blighty Biggles. You aint welcome here. Sorry this is serius and it is a real war and Sri lankan men and women are dying!! |
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7 Dec 2006 04:41:07 GMT Report for Abuse
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GreyFox,
The thing with the Navy is, they have a history of misdiagnosing their own requirements. Sri Lankan naval history is littered with an ignominious array of white elephants, from the FMVs to the hovercraft, and of course the Haiqing-class ASW vessel (Parakramabahu), although that at least finally did something worthwhile by fooling some suicide tigers into ramming it, after it was totaled by the tsunami, and sparing the FGB that was another possible target. The Naval Air Wing was another glorious naval misadventure, why on earth were they duplicating the job of the Air Force, that kind of thing is really for countries that don't have budgetary constraints.
I seriously doubt they need as many as 15 OPVs, and even if they were to make them, they probably don't have the money to make 15 good quality vessels. Even with 15 mediocre vessels, I wonder where they'd get money for the FACs then, it's not as if we can afford cutbacks there. Your right about Jayasagara, I don't know if she is still in service though, I think we lost her sister ship Sagarawardana way back in the 90s. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for the expansion of the Navy, but I'm just not sure whether the Admiral's in Naval HQ have got this one right.
Thanks for the info about the UAVs, I'd heard that they were getting them from Pakistan, but not the type. BTW, speaking of Pakistan, I heard a while back that we were taking delivery of 22 Al-Khalid MBTs, now according to STRATFOR, that deal went ahead, but somewhere else I heard it was canceled because they were unsuitable for the terrain, does anyone know the truth of it?
Edited By - Saervek - 7 Dec 2006 06:41:56 GMT |
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Saervek
OPVs are cheaper to operate than frigates or corvettes. Thats why the SLN is trying to build or buy a fleet of those. OPVs are the only 'ship-sized' vessels SLN can afford to build a small fleet with.
Sure, they may not have the same fire power as frigates or other warships, but they sure do have the capability to detect and destroy LTTE vessels in the deep seas.
In order for us to build 15 OPVs we might need 10 years to get the job done. Colombo Dockyards are busy these days with building ships for international customers. But they do have some experience in building OPVs.
Buying a fleet of foreign OPVs will be expensive for Lanka, plus maintaining these vessels and buying spare parts from international suppliers could be a lengthy nightmare. Thats why the SLN might be planning to buy one or two foreign vessels and then make similar vessels locally at a fraction of the cost.
I am hope a Lankan made OPV won't exceed the price tag of $20 million per boat. If so, then building a fleet of 15 vessels might cost us around $300 million over 10 years. I think the SLN budget can bear that. I think a dvora(UFAC) made in colombo dockyards costs about $1 million each. Unlike the Israeli made versions which cost us about $4.5 million each.
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7 Dec 2006 13:12:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Saervek
With regard to you AL-Khalid MBT question. I too heard that Lanka is to recieve the first shipment of 22 tanks, out of a total of 40 tanks. Each tank costs $5 million. On the other hand a T-55 tank costs only about $100,000.
Then, I also heard that the army told president MR that this heavy tank was not really suited for the war. I think MR then order only 5 of these tanks for the army. These 5 tanks will used in trials and see if they are any good in the Lankan theater of war.
I think if these tanks pass the trials then we might go ahead with the original order. But I do think that such a tank is not much use in lanka. Instead of blowing $200 million on 40 tanks we can use that money to acquire something we really need like OPVs. :)
Edited By - GreyFox - 7 Dec 2006 13:13:38 GMT |
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 7 Dec 2006 13:24:46 GMT Report for Abuse
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Saervek
Good observations. However, one must consider Special berthing facilities just does not mean size. There are logistical requirements. Such a vessel will have to be berthed in a well secured area in the colombo port and SLN currently cannot accomodate such a ro-ro vessel with a massive displacement. I will get more info from my source.
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I also tend to agree with some on regarding SLN's need to expand its off shore patrolling capabilities. OPVs in my opinion does not need to be armed to the teeth such as many advanced frigates mentioned in this thread. According to my buddies LTTE suicide crafts or Muraj boats never has the endurance to reach the blue waters. Not even Dvora FACs has such endurance. This is why the LTTE are stealing multi-day fishing trawlers off fishermen. Even the 40mm Bofors on Sayura is more than enough to intercept these trawlers. All these OPVs require is good maritime surveillance radars. For eg - Samudura's radars were responsible for detecting the LTTE arms ship off Kalmunai. If SLN has the luxury of at least 5 OPVs, it is not hard to starve the LTTE with weapons.
Once these ships are detected Air support can be called in. It doesn't matter if the ship reaches international waters. SLAF still can intercept them as done in the past. |
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7 Dec 2006 15:17:21 GMT Report for Abuse
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Also I have a question to MIG29,
What is the usual blast radius of a MK series 500 pound dumbbomb? Can its shrapnel really travel some 500 meters from its impact site? (As reported in tamilnet regarding alleged kilinochchi hospital bombing).
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