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Saervek
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 3 Dec 2006 06:13:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gotta agree with GreyFox... Sadly the only SU-27s we are likely to see over Sri Lankan skies in the near future would be Indian Air Force Su-30MKIs on Parripu Drop Mk II. For the same reason, the Indians would go hell for leather to prevent the sale of an air superiority platform like that to us, heaven forbid a Sri Lanka independent of Indian foreign policy eh?
Anyway I think MiG-29C indicated that only 1 A/C was purchased... It would be a huge white elephant to buy just 1 SU-27 (except MAYBE the maritime strike variant). More likely its either a cargo or recce/SIGINT A/C. |
panzer
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 3 Dec 2006 06:35:49 GMT Report for Abuse
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I?m sure that all you guys are aware of the article in the Sundaytimes: sensational article. A few points to ponder though; what are the weapons systems/platforms of the new Migs? If they are the same, unlikely though, as that of the Migs bought back in 2000, crappy deal, absolutely. If not, the new price tag might reflect the new systems/platforms. Were the old Migs fitted with more up to date systems/platforms as well? Again, by the looks of the price tag, they seem to be.
The editor of the article doesn?t seem to be familiar with the subject, hence the following statement -?It is not clear how prices of old aircraft are higher when they should be lower as they age. Unlike antiques, they do not have a value as they become older.? The Mig-27 is an awesome aircraft capable of many modern upgrades to suit the needs of its masters; it is not a Hyundai that will be worth $ 0 in 4 years. (No offence to anyone that might be driving a Hyundai!) |
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3 Dec 2006 13:05:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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Penzer
yes mate you spot on .
I read the article felt the same, cause the Actual prices diff is just US$200000 there for it can clearly be an upgrade to the new avionics. the editor of the article have no knowledge of this subject at all , I heard that to attained any guided targeting and navigation pod like LANTRIN it self will cost around $4mill USD. so its more worth than the fighter and I think we got this sort of targeting pod fit into one of the Kfir C7 , earlier to one of my posts(in page 15) Mig29C explain the diff between the Kfir and Mig27 , Mig27 is one of the best ground attack air craft with lots of upgrade can be done and with huge payload .. and its capable of guided ASM missiles . and its air frame is so versatile, and again Russian fighters are always hard used aircrafts .. so I don?t think any corruption but again we don?t know what really happened so have to wait and see . |
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3 Dec 2006 13:20:59 GMT Report for Abuse
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GreyFox
Thanks for your info champ ?.
I think you correct here, cause even though its one of my favorite Fighters I think the cost is simply too high .. some times I got certain info from the SLAF but I cant guarantee how accurate they are .. but I also heard that there Is new plane in SLAF but for some mysteries reason any of my contact in SLAF wont say what it is .. they all said wait and be patient .. so im so curious to find out why they and even Mig29C is hiding it .. and remember in 2000 no one new until we got Mig27m, until they first see on Northern skylines. it was one of the most confidential military hardware purchase ever happened in SL |
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3 Dec 2006 13:39:14 GMT Report for Abuse
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Yes, I made a similar point in the actual thread, but then whole thread got buried under vimukthi's rubbish. To summarize though, the cost might include upgrades to avionics, and probably a weapons package and spare parts. Once you include those, the price is probably reasonable.
There isn't really anything wrong with the age of the aircraft either, since the production run was only from 1977-84 (MiG-27M). Also I think the Russians retired the type years ago, so since the planes have been in storage, they should have a fair few flying hours left in the airframe. |
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 3 Dec 2006 15:18:51 GMT Report for Abuse
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Guys
The new batch of MIG-27 costs more because of SLAF is ordering a more deluxe package.
The higher price per MIG-27 jet is not because of corruption as some LTTE supporters here would like you to believe.
Unlike the previous MIG-27 orders in 2000, it is highly likely that the newly acquired MIGs come with more up-to-date electronics and more spare parts.
Thats why we sent 18 of our SLAF aviation engineers to Punjab, to learn how to maintain MIG-27M jets. The last batch 6 engineers are finishing their course as we speak.
The Sunday-times guy has little or no idea of what he is talking about. He is right though about the newly established govt company called 'Lanka Logistics and Technologies Limited'. This company's job is to procure all the miltary hardware ordered by our forces, this will effectively eliminate any third party profiters in the future.
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3 Dec 2006 15:30:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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And another thing...
Who care what India thinks about our SLAF acquisitions. The Indians themselves are building 190 SU-30MKI for their airforce under the licence from the Russians.
The SLAF can get SU-30 from China in about 10 years from now. They also build SU-30 jets under license, and will be willing to sell them to Lanka once they build enough for themselves. By that time the SU-30 prices will be cheaper too.
If the SLAF buys SU-30 jets in the future, it will be the only jet SLAF will really need. This jet is an expectional air to air fighter, expectional ground attack fighter and and exceptional fighter to engage naval targets. |
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3 Dec 2006 19:53:48 GMT Report for Abuse
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You guys are correct. The reporter in Sunday Times is fishing for a scandal. There are many technical reasons why this aircraft can be more expensive than 2000.
Scenarios:
1) As mentioned previously, a package deal of spares like expensive items such as engines and maintenance.
2) An overhauled airframe and avionics as opposed to off the shelf
3) Built in technical support and/or ground/air support.
4) Improved avionics such as radars,ECM and weapons delivery systems.
There is not enough details in the article to yell scandal.
This addition is a decent boost and with almost 6 years of use in theater by SLAF, the local ground crew and aircrew will be ready for this addition now. This aircraft and it effective use has caused nightmares for the terrorists.
Edited By - Eksath - 3 Dec 2006 19:54:51 GMT |
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3 Dec 2006 23:14:08 GMT Report for Abuse
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There obviously appears to be an urgent, if not utterly desperate need, for many parties to tanrnish the present Prez, particularly because he appears to be trying to bring in some order to the chaos that many have found profitable for a long time.
The LTTE tamils's intentions can be understood, and then there are the others, whose unlterior motives are less than clear. But for the first time in many years, the present man appears to be what looks at least somewhat like a 'genuine article' by comparison to others who were too willing to pander to the extremists and woo neo-colonials.
Most of the crap that's of an attacking nature are intended to hinder the first establishment which has shown a willingness to fight a war the way it should be faught, and to demoralize the armed services by tarnishing its image locally and elsewhere. The Sinhala traitors are the worst among the many, involved in this game. |
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4 Dec 2006 00:23:29 GMT Report for Abuse
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I agree with the discussion going on about Mig-27s. I have reliable information about these acquisitions and the govt commitment to the war. I now reside in the US but several years back I took care of lot of forces personnel wouneded in battle.
The Migs are costing more because of the avionics and refurbishments. Anyway, who cares if someone makes some money as long as it is a sinhalese guy and we getting the right equipment.
Those Migs are the most appropriate jets we can buy for now and I think the price is pretty cheap when you think of the prices on the international arms market. With Mig squadron and Kfirs we can really slam the LTTE. What we need now is better training , good targeting devices, bunker busters and guided munitions, and political commitment.
The Sunday times is biased against the SLAF because some previous incidents. Besides, just like everything else, the standard of reporting in SL is pretty low. See how much more informed Mig-29 is. I live in the US, and I compare everyday the difference in the quality and content of English reporting between here and In SL. Its ridiculous!
Anyway, give this Man from the South a chance guys!! He is the closest we will get to Dutugemuni this century...believe me!!
Go Sri Lanka ...kill the tigers!! |
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