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panzer
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LK Information  15 Nov 2006 17:45:02 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Hi Mig 29-C,

Good to have you back. Why can't the SLAF destroy the majority of LTTE attack crafts during a confrontation at sea? How the LTTE manages to sink Dvoras on a regular basis, with nothing but their indigenous crafts nevertheless, is beyond my comprehension. Your thoughts on the matter?

Thanks.
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LK Information  16 Nov 2006 03:39:23 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Thanks Mig29C for your grate Info, couldn't ask more..

got couple of Questions

1 .again like the prev post which SLAF air craft is best
suite for NAVAL backups .. is it MI24/35 or Mig 27 why ????

2. i heard that SLAF going to buy some sort of strategic bomber with reconnaissance support, at the time been their agree with Xian JH7 from china. compare to SU 24 (same sort of bomber) what are the advantages of this .. do we need a strategic bomber like F111 , B1 lancer of old B52 or may be good old Tupolev Tu-95 Bear from USSR... and what role are they gona play on the SL war theatre....??
Edited By - rataperata - 16 Nov 2006 04:14:26 GMT
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One more ...

what are the reasons for the recent failures of SLN .. I think its a lack of AIR support.. also its looks like they still not Upgrade those 23mm guns in DOVRA's to 30mm.

one of your post I read that you said all these equipments will be upgrade before 27 of November ..before heroes day ..

looks its not happened yet.. ?? do you know any SLN inventory info ? specially fro FAC... and Ships.. why cant we get some sort of guided missile system or even torpedos fitted to these DOVRA's to attack enemy boats . I think this is much efficient than using this unguided 23mm rockets ... ? why dont they do it

and yes those 4 mig 27 you saw in Ukraine will be here soon..its well known factor now...???

but what about the other air craft you told us ( the mystery air craft ).. what is it ???
Edited By - rataperata - 16 Nov 2006 05:04:43 GMT
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This is what I think will happen...

Ltte will use its air assets on Jaffna in the comming months...It will be a suicide mission inside palaly base..That is the best they can achieve with their cessnas..SLA will take out these cessnas in midair if the tigers opt to fly a longer range and attack a place like Colombo..They know this very well..There is a greater possibility, they will attack either katunayake , Trinco or Jaffna with a suicide mission using planes and boats..They can come undetected and only few raders we have will play a major role in identifying these cessnas..I would say Trinco and Jaffna is the most likely target for ltte cessnas..

On Nov. 27, velu will declare his long awaited war on all Sri lankans.

May the force be with all Sri Lankans.
Edited By - mavilaru - 16 Nov 2006 12:03:14 GMT
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Currently the SLAF is interested in buying 8 JH-7 bomber/jets. This jet has a weapons payload of about 5000kg. The JH-7A version is said to be capable of carrying 6500kg payload.

The engine of this jet is considered underpowered by western standards, but it would be good enough for the SL theater of war.

Lets see if the deal becomes finalised between SL and China.
Edited By - GreyFox - 18 Nov 2006 03:22:51 GMT
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Mr Panzer and Rataperata,

In reply to your questions..

Mr.Panzer:

Why can't the SLAF destroy the majority of LTTE attack crafts during a confrontation at sea? How the LTTE manages to sink Dvoras on a regular basis, with nothing but their indigenous crafts..


As far as I know, apart from the recent incident on the 9th of November, the SLN thus far has given a pretty good account of itself..

From information that I received about the incident on the 9th, air support was only requested after the SLN had already lost 2 of its Super Dvora Mk I FAC.

The trademark Sea Tiger tactic is engaging SLN units with a 2:1 majority in seaborne assets.. present attacks are carried out using a combination of the larger Muraj Attack boats and smaller explosive laden homicide boats.

The 2 FAC sunk on the 9th were as a result of 2 explosive laden homicide boats ramming into the side and rear of the FAC - these two losses were not as a result of the FAC being disabled from cannon fire from 23mm guns onboard the LTTE Muraj Boats or by 84mm shells from Sea Tiger personnel carrying Carl Gustav recoilless rifles (Carl Gustav 84mm recoilless rifles are anti-tank weapons) as reported.

My sources tell me that while the FAC were engaging Sea Tiger Muraj boats the homicide laden boats broke off from the main attacking group and rammed the FAC.

It would appear on this particular day the SLN was outnumbered and hence suffered ..

The reality is - the Sea Tigers did win the initial battle fought on the 9th, they managed to destroy 2 SLN Super Dvora Mk 1 FAC, and relive one craft of its Typhoon G mounted stabilized 23 mm cannon. Incidentally the Typhoon G stabilized cannon on the Mk I does not have the electro-optics system present on the Mk II .. so I've been told..

However once the SLAF entered the fray the battle changed.

My sources tell me SLAF Mi 24's were able to destroy 4 or 5 retreating Muraj Sea Tiger boats.. The Sri Lankan militaries assessment that it destroyed 22 Sea Tiger craft is inaccurate..

However, the question everyone should be asking is - If as according to past and present LTTE accounts of sea encounters between the SLN and the Sea Tigers - engagements from the beginning of the year till now - have only resulted in the loss of a handful of Sea Tigers with no loss of equipment.. why is it only this particular engagement that they have video footage of and parading captured equipment?? What about their other supposed successful engagements - since it has become customary now for a video man to be present on all Sea Tiger Muraj boats??

The fact is - The SLN have won a majority of the engagements thus far .. however, your Navy cannot be expected to be victorious in every battle it fights alone with the Sea Tigers where their out numbered 2:1, the law of averages will always work against you .. however, if the SLN engage the Sea Tigers with Air Support there is a good chance it will be victorious in almost all the engagements .. this is exemplified by all previous engagements where the SLAF was involved before the actual encounter occurred.

Hope this helps



Mr.Rataperata:

which SLAF air craft is best suite for NAVAL backups .. is it MI24/35 or Mig 27 why ????


Both aircraft types can offer very effective Air support.. Both types should be used in conjunction for the maximum effect.

The Mi 24 and the MiG-27M have the manoeuvrability and the offensive/defensive weapons capability to target fast manoeuvrable sea faring craft.

Simply put 50-100 rounds from a MiG-27M GSh-6-30 cannon will shred a Sea Tiger Muraj boat to pieces .. bear in mind the GSh-6-30 cannon fires 6000 rounds/min..

SLAF going to buy some sort of strategic bomber with reconnaissance support, at the time been their agree with Xian JH7 from china. compare to SU 24 (same sort of bomber) what are the advantages of this .. do we need a strategic bomber like F111 , B1 lancer of old B52 or may be good old Tupolev Tu-95 Bear from USSR... and what role are they gona play on the SL war theatre....??


I am not aware of such a deal .. I am curious where you got this information?

However for a comparative assessment of the capabilities of the JH7 and Su-24 .. I will post this on a later date..

The realty is the SLAF does not need a dedicated heavy bomber and, the SLAF will never be offered the F111, B-1 or the B-52.

what are the reasons for the recent failures of SLN .. I think its a lack of AIR support.. also its looks like they still not Upgrade those 23mm guns in DOVRA's to 30mm.


See my comment to Mr.Panzer..

do you know any SLN inventory info ? specially fro FAC... and Ships.. why cant we get some sort of guided missile system or even torpedos fitted to these DOVRA's to attack enemy boats . I think this is much efficient than using this unguided 23mm rockets ...


I do not know a lot about the SLN .. however I do know the SLN has Colombo Dockyards manufactured Dvora FAC, Super Dvora Mk I, Super Dvora Mk II and Shaldag FAC from Israel.. in addition they also have larger offshore craft like the Saar 4 missile boat, Haizhui Class Coastal Patrol Craft, Shanghai I and Shanghai II Coastal Patrol Crafts, Sukanya Class patrol craft and an Ex US CoastGuard Cutter.

what about the other air craft you told us ( the mystery air craft ).. what is it ???


Wait till the war starts.. then you'll know :o) ..

Hope this helps ..


Edited By - Mig-29C - 13 Dec 2006 11:40:58 GMT
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Mr Dishan,

In reply to your question..

can you verify whether this is true in regards to the migs operating..


From what I know aerial support on the day was provided by SLAF Mi 24's and SLAF F-7BS fighters.. The Kfir or the MiG-27 was not involved in this encounter.. it appears the LTTE spokesman does not know the difference between an F-7, Kfir or MiG .. Anyhow, you cant blame him since very few Sea Tiger craft survived the battle and returned to tell the tale.. Interestingly, no video footage this time .. hmmm

..and have noticed you post less and less now. please try and keep your dear readers updated


Like I told Mr. Rataperata, I am extremely busy these days .. I will try my best to keep you'll updated with the facts .. will try and make a regular appearance when the MiG's start strafing :o)

Hope this helps
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LK Information  21 Nov 2006 15:32:44 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Hello all,

Thank you for your expertise Mig-29C, we really do appreciate your inputs. I agree with you in terms of the SLN being very effective during most confrontations at sea, but however I can't stop feeling that even though we are winning almost every major sea batle we haven't been able to deliver a knockout punch to the sea tigers. I feel that before we can win battles on land we have to win the battle at sea, not just 4-5 sea tiger boats at a time but the entire flotilla during a battle. Any specialized aircraft/stratergy to achieve this?
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LK Information  21 Nov 2006 15:40:34 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Interestingly, no video footage this time .. hmmm


http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8254144999100584320&q=clash

enjoy the footage!
panzer
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Dear Mr Tamilcanuck,

I think you got it mixed up. Mig-29C is talking about the encounter off of Mannar and not the encounter off of Point Pedro. The video that you are referring to was the one released after the encounter off of Point Pedro. BTW the footage of a sinking Dvora is very old footage.
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