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LTTE ready to re-enter peace talks
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FreeThinker
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13 Aug 2006 10:21:56 GMT Report for Abuse
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Berty,
Quick reply: True, if there are better methods by all means they should impliment them. I'm not a fan of any of the governments that have ruled Sri Lanka in the recent past. Just to point out to your second question leave apart any probings (or lack of it) in the recent incidents they never found anybody to be duilty of the thousands of innocent youth who died during the JVP insurgency. But on the other hand it is not totally accurate to say that US actually probed in to various mishaps by their soldiers. (If you read different independen news sources).
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Ariyalai_SB Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 10:26:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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Berty,
Yes, I am an old Johnian; good old days aha.
Yesterday, I wrote the following to Kamani:
You must recognise that Tamils exhausted all their political avenues before the militants took to the centre stage.
You must recognise that the successive Sri Lankan governments practiced majorityism rather than democracy.
You must recognise that the Sinhala polity betrayed the trust that was placed on them to treat the minorities with equal respect.
You must recognise that the LTTE militancy was born on the back all these that grew engulfing other groups along with the moderate politicians. All along the Sinhala polity was endeavouring to crush it rather than tacking the underlying issues.
I will now talk about the British Government and IRA. When I first arrived in England back in 1977, the IRA was very active setting off bombs all over the mainland Britain. Bomb scare was a normal event on those days. I know we cannot compare the Northern Irish problem with Sri Lanka, but we can draw parallels.
The IRA was a symptom of the Catholic grievances in the same way LTTE is the symptom of Tamil grievances. The British tried to crush militarily; ministers after ministers came out with endless rhetoric: we will never give into the terrorists and the rest. But they never got anywhere; IRA enjoyed the support of the Catholic community.
In the end, the British government decided to tackle the underlying issues; they appointed a Royal Commission headed by Right Hon. Chris Pattern to study the grievances of the Catholic community. The study took a couple of years to complete, and the findings and recommendations were fully accepted by the British government. The study looked at the aspects of the social integration etc; recommended a whole host of changes in terms of policing and governance etc.
British government implemented the changes in every sense of the word despite the displeasures of the Protestant community paving the way for better integration and harmony between the communities. Such actions rendered the IRA redundant; there was no reason for their existence.
Don?t you think that GOSL need to take a lesson from this; instead, they have strengthened LTTE militarily and internationally as a portent entity worthy of recognition. To substantiate this, I will say that the international community does not want LTTE destroyed, but on the hand they are calling for the destruction of Islamic fundamentalism.
You are intelligent enough to recognise that if this impasse were to continue, there will come a time when the IC will favour a con-federal or a total separation. This is why I say that the Sinhalese allow their emotions to dictate rather than using their heads.
There is no other way; both parties must abide by their part of the bargains moving the peace process forward to a point from where the violence will not recur. The power should be decentralised with tangible autonomy to the regions. First of all, there need to be a strategy; a plan of some sort; publish a proposal, and invite the warring parties to participate etc. There is no good having convention after convention without engaging LTTE; LTTE and GOSL are the protagonists, and they must settle it. |
MadProfessor
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13 Aug 2006 10:27:32 GMT Report for Abuse
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LOS ANGELES: Atrocities against civilians and prisoners by Army soldiers during the Vietnam War were more common than originally disclosed to the public, according to a Los Angeles Times review of recently unsealed government files.
Some 9,000 pages of records the largest collection of documented war crimes in Vietnam include sworn witness testimony, investigative files and status reports for top military brass that detail 320 wartime atrocities substantiated by the Army.
Still, few soldiers were held accountable for the war crimes, according to the newspaper's findings which appeared in Sunday's edition.
Among the incidents documented in the files: seven civilian massacres from 1967 to 1971 that left at least 137 dead; 78 additional attacks on unarmed civilians that left at least 57 dead, 56 wounded and 15 intimacyually assaulted; and, 141 incidents in which US soldiers tortured civilian detainees and prisoners of war.
In one incident detailed in the report, members of the B Company rounded up and gunned down a group of villagers that included women and children after being ordered by a lieutenant to 'kill anything that moves'.
The files, collected by a Pentagon task force in the 1970s, do not include the most notorious US atrocity, the 1968 My Lai massacre. Retired Brig Gen John H Johns, who was part of the task force, said, 'We can't change current practices unless we acknowledge the past.' |
srimal111 Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 10:33:21 GMT Report for Abuse
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Another Tamilnet Lie
official ADB PR
ADB Water Supply Project- Misleading Media Reports
Media Release
01 August 2006
The Asian Development Bank (ADB) wishes to draw attention to recent media reports of plans by the ADB to develop a drinking water scheme in the area of Seruwawila.
These media reports are factually incorrect.
The ??Secondary Towns and Water Supply Project?? was approved by the ADB on 16 January 2003. Preparations for this project had started before the ceasefire agreement was in place. The project scope also covers the Muttur area. In particular, the Muttur Water Supply scheme will provide drinking water to an estimated population of 53,000 and cover all 29 Grama Niladari Divisions in the Muttur Divisional Secretary Division (DSD). Water will be piped from the Mahaweli Ganga. The project covers all areas within the DSD irrespective of ethnic or military boundaries.
The distance between Seruwawila and Mutur DSD is about 20 kilometers. In addition, no request was made to the ADB to expand the scope of the project to cover Seruwawila. |
Berty Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 10:38:07 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai!!
OMG..u left Jaffna in 1977 and went to UK..May be we were together at St Johns. I joined St Johns in 1965 and left in 1975.I played cricket and won the best Batsman in 1976 in the Big match!! I live in Hong Kong..married and have two big children!! both are in UK!!in Uni!!
I fully agree with all what you have written about UK and IRA and NI!! I think it will work. did at any times anyone actually suggest this system for sri lanka!! Chris Pattern was the last British Governor of Hong Kong!!. |
saleemtariq Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 10:39:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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Madprof,
That is America where transparancy and accountability is gueranteed in the constitution. But in Sri Lanka its the reverse, military intelligence rules the day. They can kill anybody and the killer gets the impunity. So MI and DPU have an open lcence to kill anybody, Tamils, Muslims or Sinhalese. No investigation or trial of any sort, the truth will never come out. |
Berty Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 10:50:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Laliths,
I would have love to join you for a cup of sri lankan upcountry tea!! My dad was working as Personnel officer in Hatton and we were boarded in Jaffna but always went home for holidays!! The best thing we enjoyed was a cup of Tea!!
If you go to sri lanka now , you should go to Nuwara Eliya and visit the Tea Factory (now a 5 star hotel) and have a cup of tea!!
Regarding the plane and the fight in Jaffna, I do not believe any reports from either end!! but there is some fighting going on..as some in the forum (Tamil members) have confirmed that Jaffna is under curfew and all communication lines are cut. There won't be smoke without fire and i am sure there is fighting..Pls don't ask me to predict the #of LTTE killed or SLA killed!! We all know the figures are highly exaggerated!! |
MadProfessor
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13 Aug 2006 10:53:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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This is in no way intended to condone atrocities conducted against civilians but to point that one of the graet democracies couldn't get it right then and still have difficulty getting things right unless exposed by external sources. Besides cheap propaganda by interested parties, Sri Lanka will indeed need some help to properly dealing with such accusations:
LOS ANGELES - Atrocities against civilians and prisoners by Army soldiers during the Vietnam War were more common than originally disclosed to the public, according to a Los Angeles Times review of recently unsealed government files.
Some 9,000 pages of records ? the largest collection of documented war crimes in Vietnam ? include sworn witness testimony, investigative files and status reports for top military brass that detail 320 wartime atrocities substantiated by the Army.
Still, few soldiers were held accountable for the war crimes, according to the newspaper's findings which appeared in Sunday's edition.
The abuse was not restricted to one rogue Army division, but was committed by every Army division operating in Vietnam, the Times review found.
Among the incidents documented in the files:
_Seven civilian massacres from 1967 to 1971 that left at least 137 dead.
_Seventy-eight additional attacks on unarmed civilians that left at least 57 dead, 56 wounded and 15 intimacyually assaulted.
_141 incidents in which U.S. soldiers tortured civilian detainees and prisoners of war.
In one incident detailed in the report, members of the B Company in February 1968 rounded up and gunned down a group of villagers that included women and children after being ordered by a lieutenant to 'kill anything that moves.'
The files, collected by a Pentagon task force in the 1970s, do not include the most notorious U.S. atrocity, the 1968 My Lai massacre. The incident, which left some 500 Vietnamese villagers dead, was exposed by reporter Seymour Hersh the following year.
Retired Brig. Gen. John H. Johns, who was part of the task force that gathered the files, said he no longer thought the atrocities should remain in the dark.
'We can't change current practices unless we acknowledge the past,' said Johns, 78.
The files show investigators found enough evidence to charge 203 soldiers with crimes related to the mistreatment of Vietnamese civilians and prisoners. But only 57 soldiers were court-martialed and 23 convicted, the Times reported.
Fourteen soldiers received prison sentences ranging from six months to 20 years, but most served much less time.
A former legal adviser to the Army's Criminal Investigation Division said there was scarce interest in prosecuting Vietnam war crimes after the war.
'Everyone wanted Vietnam to go away,' said Steven Chucala, now a civilian attorney for the Army in Virginia. |
Swathi Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 11:07:06 GMT Report for Abuse
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Laliths;
Can you then explain how LTTE has attacked Palaly base?
SLG has accepted that there was an attack and one helicopter and some buildings damaged.
How can LTTE do this? Pls remember the area around Palaly and upto Muhamalai ( West of jaffna) SLA is in control.If you know the locations you will simply believe the news. |
Ariyalai_SB Senior Member
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13 Aug 2006 11:08:49 GMT Report for Abuse
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Berty,
You may be a couple of years younger than me. I cannot recollect your name; 1976 was a long time ago, but will ask around.
I will give you a clue about myself; I did play cricket for Manipay Hindu College in 1974-75; I was one of those who had to leave to get into a team. I only stopped playing last year; cricket took me all over Britain, and served me very well indeed socially and work wise.
I also have two children, and likewise they are both at uni.
I now feel that Sinhalese have collectively lost the plot; they have been badly led from the beginning. All, the Tamils wanted a bit of recognition; a provincial council system with reasonable autonomy would have amply sufficed. But, the Mahavamsa worshipers didn?t even want to give an inch; now, they will end up conceding lots more to pacify LTTE!
India recently warned Sri Lanka that if they do not get on with the business of devolving power soon, they will run the risk of division. In my view, the prospect of division is very real; the Sinhalese must first come to terms with the reality that the LTTE cannot be defeated militarily. |
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