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KURAL
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 7 Aug 2006 10:23:10 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sinhalas are a mixture of Bengalis, Tamils, and Veddhas.
SO PURE SINHALA DO NOT EXIST. IF YES PLEASE ENLIGHT ME BY A GENETIC ANALYSIS ! |
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7 Aug 2006 10:35:21 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gamaraala,
who is the eelamist who said you that Indian Tamils and Sri lankan Tamils do not have relationship ?
You are naive.
LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
stop the stupid comments on the origin of the different ethnies.
WE ALL ARE THE SAME !
The First Cause created us at the same time !
We are like fireworks. Only the colors and the chemical composition change, but by nature we are same !
We all have 23 pairs of chromosoms !
And finally a sinhala's DNA could be closer to a tamil's DNA than his proper brother !
SO stop to say stupidity. We are same, we are humans. We are all creatures of God.
Nobody in this earth is an alien.
Be clever, and stop the stupid and false comments.
Edited By - KURAL - 7 Aug 2006 10:37:00 GMT |
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 7 Aug 2006 17:56:00 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha, GamaRaala, and others,
I am really enjoying this debate, it is fun filled, very much interested in replying to every point you raised in your above posts, especially GamaRaala, I never realized that feeding punnakku is soooo exciting.
Very unfortunately, I am leaving tonight (vacation). Hold your horses till I return from hibernation and please stop grilling that innocent creature.
Till then, ENJOY.
Thanthai Lula the ordinary Ponniyah |
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7 Aug 2006 19:58:42 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mahendra Dear,
Thanks for your reply, I am sorry I could not respond to you but I read your post. Very busy from morning, about to go on vacation, leaving tonight, I'll send you an e-mail when time permits, till then, keep sending your response to the other thread, I will be reading it.
All the best,enjoy your deep inner journey thro samadi meditation.
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 8 Aug 2006 00:06:39 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
I am really enjoying this debate, it is fun filled, very much interested in replying to every point you raised in your above posts, especially GamaRaala, I never realized that feeding punnakku is soooo exciting.
Lula, it is always a fun filled exercise to torture Tamil Eelamists on the Mythical Tamil Kingdom. When they find their beloved Mythical Tamil Kingdom has no place in the books of historians, Eelamists, feeding on punnakku, resort to very LOGICAL arguments like, 'Lula believes so because Lula wants to believe so.' ;-)
Make sure you bring some extra cash for 'Panduru Pakkuda' which went up recently, if you intend to swim across to the Sun God 'Adawiya'. Maintaining two adolescents in the UK has never been this costly, specially, when birthday parties cost bucket loads.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 8 Aug 2006 00:21:09 GMT |
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GAMAYA,
Language is the *acid test* with which, the uniqueness of the people who speak that can be determined.
*E'karanshaya* (e' = a in cat) is one of those unique features of Sinhala which cannot be found in any other language in the Indian subcontinent, including Pali and Divehi where the latter is considered to have branched out from Sinhala. As you may know, there are two sets of syllables in Sinhala called *Mishra Sinhala* and *Amishra Sinhala* which has originally been called *ELU Sinhala*. Interestingly, vowel E' is a sound that has come to modern Sinhala through this older and more purified version of Elu Sinhala.
As a result, there wont be any names starting with sounds similar to those of E'thulathmudali, E'he'lepola, E'lapatha, E'lvitigala, Me'dagedara. Ke'kunawala, De'raniayagala etc in any other Indian culture, if not for 'A'ntons and 'A'deles who indeed are imports.
As I have heard, E'karanshaya is not the only such feature of Sinhala, but there are many other Sinhala words of which origins cannot be traced back to any existing Indian language. Unfortunately, I am not a linguist to explain those. But you may find articles based on researches carried out on the said area by numerous people including Hela Hawula (of Kumaratunga Munidasa) and Arisen Ahubudu.
-Mucha
PS: Gamaya, in a more recent article, Arisen Ahubudu argued that both Sanskrit and Tamil word for River ('Ganga' and 'Kanku', respectively) have been descended from the original Hela word for river which is 'Gan', based on the fact that both Sanskrit 'Ganga' and Tamil 'Kanku' cannot be divided back to its rudiments (aka 'Daathu' in Sinhala). According to him, Hela word 'Gan' derived from the meaning 'Gaman Diya' (or flowing water) where Gaman has originally been called in Hela by the sound 'Ga' and Diya by 'An'. It was this 'Ga' which joined with 'An' to form Gan which later translated in to 'Ganga' and 'Kanku'.
Please note: I am not ready to argue on this with anyone since my knowledge in the area discussed is very poor if not nil.
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8 Aug 2006 01:51:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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Can you help me unravel this puzzle?
SL Tamil Eelamists claim they have only an inconsiderable relationship to the Tamil Nadu Tamils. According to them, SL Tamil culture is NATIVE to Sri Lanka as much as the Sinhalese Culture is, (eventhrough they speak a dialect of Tamil Language spoken in Tamil Nadu).
Tamil Nadu Tamils are however very much sensitive about SL Tamils. SL Tamil issues play a key role in Tamil Nadu politics even to the extent of determining election outcomes. Why are they left to worry about SL Tamils who even deny being the same race?
I feel SL Tamil Eelamists have not sufficiently explained to Tamil Nadu Tamils that SL Tamils are a unique race, NATIVE to Sri Lanka. What is your guess?
GAMAYA,
It is not clear if you were sarcastic in raising this question. Anyway, answer is simple and you do not need to be a theoretician to understand that.
Either SL Tamils (Elu Tamils...heh ..heh) have not kept thier South Indian brethren informed about what they say to us OR the brethren across the straight is intelligent enough to keep their mouths shut on critical issues like the nativity of SL Tamils, knowing that Eelam on Sri Lankan soil is the first step to establish a massive Chola Mandalam (which is also called 'United States of Eelam'(..heh..heh) by some kids who know nothing).
-Mucha
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However, I can confirm, if you trust me, that the first quotation by Lula that you requoted is verbatim from Prof. Indrapala's book.
KULA,
I take your word, though I do not want to jump ahead to conclude that Prof. Indrapala is a third grade liar based on what he wrote in 2005. I do not know in which context he discussed that. However it remains a fact that the sixth sentence from the one Prof. quoted reads,
The People stood amazed as soon as they saw us, being originally Malabars, tho SUBJECTS of CANDE. (Knox, R., 1681, Chapter IX, p159, emphasis mine)
not to remind you all the other things I quoted from the very book about the nativity of Malabars.
Haing said that, I also do not want to leave the option of criticizing him for loosing his scholastic ethics closed. It is still not clear which new discovery has made him to reconsider what he concluded in 1965, if he has ever thought that. As far as I know, the celebrated work of Robert Knox was first published in Sri Lanka in 1932 by Hansa Prakashakayo, i.e. well before 1965.
-Mucha
PS: The creature I spoke earlier cannot be you. The one I meant, prefers to live in mud!!
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 8 Aug 2006 11:22:30 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha,
The People stood amazed as soon as they saw us, being originally Malabars, tho SUBJECTS of CANDE. (Knox, R., 1681, Chapter IX, p159, emphasis mine)
As you know I do not just belive what a single European would say based on his own judgment until I have read a few more. You can recall I did not agree with what JOAO de BARROS wrote that:
#1 p30
'This opinion of the country, of the island's having been joined to the coast of the mainland, is confirmed by what is said by the peoples of it, principally those of Coramandel'
#2
'for its ancient name is Ilanare or Tranate ( Eela Nadu or Thiru Nadu (Tamil), as other say'
This means people of ancient Sri Lanka was all Tamils and the name too was Tamil.
The same historian says:
#3 p33
'a language they call Chingalla, and the people themselves Chingallas, principally those that live from the point of Galle onward on the tract of country facing the south and east.'
#4
'the other people, who lived up above in the middle of the island, called those who dwelt there Chingalla, and their language likewise, as much as to say 'language' or 'people of the Chijis(Chinese) of Galle'
This meant that the Sinhalese were the Chinese of Galle. Though some of the ancient islanders could have been from S.E.Asia, I could only laugh at such a statement.
You said:
not to remind you all the other things I quoted from the very book about the nativity of Malabars.
Mucha,
I do not want to dwell on this as we had agreed to disagree on this and despite the fact that having given many quotes and my opinion on this, let me quote from another German historian
Rev. E.R. Baierlein,
in his book
'The land of the Tamulians and its Missions', published in 1875 in Madras
p105
I have not been able to omit the primitive Church of Southern India, although its present place of residence is beyond the present boundaries of the land of the Tamulians. For the separation of Malabar from Tamil country, is of recent date; even our first Missionaries call Tamil land Malabar, and the language- even now not much different- Malabarish.
This would explain how the name Malabarish came to be used for Tamil language and the Tamil people, Malabars.
For the early Europenas any one who spoke a language that was closer to Tamil/Malayalam was a Malabar.
Haing said that, I also do not want to leave the option of criticizing him for loosing his scholastic ethics closed. It is still not clear which new discovery has made him to reconsider what he concluded in 1965, if he has ever thought that. As far as I know, the celebrated work of Robert Knox was first published in Sri Lanka in 1932 by Hansa Prakashakayo, i.e. well before 1965.
If you read Prof Indrapala's 'Preface', he clearly presents how and why his view and perspectives has changed since 1965, as a result of new research and archelogical discoveries. He also pointed out where he did say in his dissertation that it was concluded in hypothetical terms and lot more have to be done to be conclusive.
Quote:
P viii
The thesis was presented as the first major attempt to bring together all the available evidence on the subject. The fact that it was in no way a complete study was admitted.
'In view of these limitations and difficulties, while we may claim to have added something to our knowledge of the history of the Tamils of Ceylon, the account presented here is inevitably incomplete and not always definite. We have often been led to state our conclusions in hypothetical terms' (p23).
Needless to say, that dissertation is now completely out of date.
Kula
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Kula,
If you read Prof Indrapala's 'Preface', he clearly presents how and why his view and perspectives has changed since 1965, as a result of new research and archelogical discoveries.
Out of curiocity, does the new book identify the new archeological discoveries made AFTER 1965? |
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