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Buddhist monks given training to ensure peaceful co-existence in Sri Lanka
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 5 Aug 2006 18:24:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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I saw yesterday an army of Buddhist monks blessing SLA soldiers.
The nation protectors getting blessings from the Buddhist monks is nothing wrong and is a great custom and that should be applauded. |
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 7 Aug 2006 00:47:29 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
The Nayakers of Madura who ruled the Kandyan Kingdom were not invaders but invitees. Kannasamy aka SRI VIKRAMA RAJA SINGHA was a legitimate ruler of the Kandyan Kingdom.
Kannasamy aka SRI VIKRAMA RAJA SINGHA was invited to rule the LEGITIMATE Sinhalese Kingdom that existed prior to the arrival of Kannasamy.
The Arya Cakravartis of Madura who ruled the JAffna Kingdom were also invitees and NOT invaders. SANKILI KUMARAN II was a legitimate ruler of Jaffna Kingdom.
Invited by WHO?
There was NO SUCH Legitimate Indepdenent Tamil Kingdom prior to the arrival of Arya Cakravartis of Madura.
That is why Arya Cakravartis of Madura were the invaders.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 7 Aug 2006 01:59:33 GMT |
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Lula quoted KI. Kula 'seconded' Lula.
NEEDLESS TO SAY, THAT DISSERTATION IS NOW COMPLETELY OUT OF DATE. MY OWN PERSPECTIVES AND INTERPRETATIONS HAVE CHANGED SINCE ITS COMPLETION.
KI changed his perspective. This perspective is written in KI-2005. A historical indepdent Tamil Kingdom has NO place in KI-1965 or KI-2005. You and Kula build your arguments on this myth, which has NO PLACE in the books of KI-1965 or KI-2005.
You can either
-embrace KI and reject Mythical Indepdent Tamil Kingdom
or
-reject KI and embrace Mythical Indepdent Tamil Kingdom
Instead, what you and Kula do is to purport that you accept KI, but resort your arguments on the basis of Myths that have NO place in KI 1965 or KI 2005.
This is why I keep saying KI is the worst enemy of Tamil Eelamists. :-) Their innocent dreamns of Historical Tamil Kingdoms are shattered into pieces when KI-2005 says 'There was not even SL Tamil Identity prior to 12 CAD'. What Kingdoms, when they even did not have their own Identity? ;-)
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7 Aug 2006 03:05:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Machan MURU
(and Lula the Thanthai),
Thanks for your friendly reply. I have nothing much to criticize in your reply since you have inadvertently admitted to most of my opinions, except for few points, which deserve some fine tuning.
If this is the case, then it is likely he is also a common ancestor to certain SL Tamil groups as well, after all, SL Tamils and Sinhala people share a common gene pool.
This may well be the case, even though this (i.e. about the common ancestor) is yet to be proven. I am not surprised to see certain genealogical traits among some SL Tamils due to many reasons (in addition to the fact that we share a common gene pool), though none of those warrant Tamil to be recognized as a Native *culture* of Sri Lanka.
First of all, the first Homo sapiens (or Homo erectuses) are believed to have come to Sri Lanka from continental Asia. Therefore, no one should be surprised to see any commonality between the descendents of Balangoda Culture and their counterparts in India.
Secondly, according to the census carried out by Mudliyar Simon Cassie Chetty, 20% of the population lived in Peninsular Jaffna as late as 1824, have had some clear Sinhala ancestry, though they lived as Tamils belonging to different castes (including Koviars, Nalluwas and Tanakaras).
Due to above two reasons (alone), no one should be amazed by the discovery of a common gene pool, including LULA the Thanthai.
Let myself be clear about this point. There could be genealogical descendents of Balangoda Man (or of Hela clans) among the modern day SL Tamils. But they are clearly not the *cultural descendents* of those respective groups.
In a similar fashion, Rev. Kenneth Fernando or Rev. Rayappu Joseph could be genealogical descendents of King Devanampiya Thissa. But it would never amount to recognize their current Christian Faith as foremost as Buddhism which is the faith of their celebrated ancestor.
Can you prove that Sinhala or even 'Hela' culture is as old as the Vedda culture on the island - which has stood the test of time for over 18,000 years or more
MURU, first of all, no one has so far proved that Veddas are the cultural descendents of the Balangoda Man, for me to prove that Sinhala Culture is as old as Veddas culture. In one hand, there is no point speaking about Veddas Culture since it is a culture common to any group of people relied on hunting. On the other hand, Veddas culture is nothing but a sub-culture either of Sinhala or of Tamil, depend on which area they live. Veddas language, which is the most unique component of their culture is nothing but a dialect of Sinhalese (or of Tamil, again depending on the very factor).
As such, if there is anything that links Veddas to those Hela People or Balangoda Man, it is nothing but any genealogical traits they carry in their genes. Then again, the problem is how genetically pure Veddas are? Dr. Richard Lionel Spittel, the person who has conducted the most extensive research on Veddas, reported that the last Vedda with pure Vedi blood from both sides of his parentage died in early 1920s.
NO Sinhalese (including Bikku Mahanama, the author of Mahavansa) believe(d) that we are *genetically* pure Aryans .
That is NOT true. I have seen many Sinhala people claiming that they are of pure Aryan descent (even some jolly people in this forum.)
I am not speaking about the opinion of ordinary Punsiris and Fonsekas. But, it is quite illogical to think that Sinhalas are genetically pure Aryans, even according to Mahavansa. However, there is nothing wrong to say that Sinhala is originated from the process of Aryanization.
-Muchalinda
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LULA the Thanthai,
In reply to GAMA RAALA, MURU wrote (on 4 Aug 2006 15:24:35 GMT),
WHAT I DO AGREE IS THAT THERE NEVER WAS A TAMIL KINGDOM THAT STRETCHED ACROSS THE WHOLE OF THE EAST AND NORTHERN PROVINCES. I AM NOT CONFUSED AT ALL.(emphasis mine)
Enjoy.
-Muchalinda
PS: Thanks for posting the article 'Genetic affinities of Sri Lankan populations'. I will reply to your post in due course, as time permits.
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7 Aug 2006 05:56:26 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear LULA,
In the 17th centuries, when Robert Knox, the English prisoner in the Kingdom of Kandy made his escape through Anuradhapura into the Dutch occupied Northwest, he found that, fluent though he was in Sinhala, he could not converse with the inhabitants of the Anuradhapura region as the people there spoke the Malabar language (Tamil).
When he managed to communicate to them through sign language about his plight, they exclaimed, 'Tombrane'(Tamil, tampirane, meaning 'Oh,God'), with amazement. Even the rendering of the name Anuradhapura by Knox as Anarodgburro. is obviously from the colloquial Tamil form Anra'japuram/Anracapuram, still used among SL Tamils.
Knox, in fact, clearly states that the territory of Anarodgburro is inhabited by Tamils;
It is a vast great plain, the like I never saw in all that Island....This plain is encompassed round with woods, and small towns among them on every side, inhabited by Malabars, a distinct people from the Chingulayes.(pg.276,KI's book).
It is not clear the text quoted above (from your previous post) is written by Prof. Indrapala himself, OR by Prof. LULA the Thanthai (which should be the case). However, what you have quoted above is nothing but a half truth, if not a half lie.
It is true that Robert Knox in his celebrated work 'An Historical Relation of the Island of Ceylon in the East Indies' (1681) has said that Anarodgburro was inhabited by Malabrs. But the fact you failed to mention there is under whose control Anurodgburro came.
This is what Robert Knox said in the sixth sentence from the one you quoted, in the very chapter.
The People stood amazed as soon as they saw us, being originally Malabars, tho SUBJECTS of CANDE. (ibid, Chater IX, p159, emphasis mine)
It is also interesting to note how he called the ruler of Cande, a KING while calling that of Marbar's country a Prince, a fact repeated by De Queyroz.
We had now Travelled till Thursday Afternoon, when we crossed the River called Coronda oyah which was then quite dry; this parts the KING?S Countrey from the Maladars. (ibid, Chpter X, p166)
Also we knew not whether or no, it might lead us into the Countrey of the MALABAR PRINCE, of whom we were much afraid. (ibid, Chpter IX, p161, emphasis mine)
This is no way in contradiction to what has been established through Medawala Inscription of 1359 AD where MARTANDA SINGAI ARYAN is referred to as Perumal while the King of Kandy VIKRAMABAHU (who was said to be a fairly weak king) is referred to as Chakrawarthi Swamin Vahanse.
Not only that, among many, the following mentioned in the very book (by Robert Knox) indicates how independent the so called Principality is.
But yet we were somewhat dismayed, knowing that we were now in a Countrey inhabited by Malabars. The Wanniounay or Prince of this People for fear pay Tribute to the Dutch, but stands far more affected towards the King of Cande. Which made our care the greater to keep our selves out of his hands, fearing lest if he did not keep us himself, he might send us up to our old Master.
-Muchalinda
PS: The two people who exclaimed 'Tombrane' hearing their plight were not met while they were at Anarodgburro, but after they walked well into the area of Malabar Prince.
PS2: Why Tamils were called Malabars, is a *controversy* itself. However, Muchalinda has no intention to bash innocent creatures again on topics which they have previously been tortured upon.
PS3: Muchalinda may need more time to better research all the traits of Hela culture currently preserved among Sinhalas.
PS4: Muchalinda's priority will always remain with Muru(ga).
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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 7 Aug 2006 06:17:03 GMT |
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 7 Aug 2006 06:22:26 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha,
This is, Kula, one of the innocent creatures you were referring to.
I do not want to get into this arguement again.
However, I can confirm, if you trust me, that the first quotation by Lula that you requoted is verbatim from Prof. Indrapala's book.
Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 7 Aug 2006 06:46:24 GMT |
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7 Aug 2006 07:00:13 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha,
Muchalinda may need more time to better research all the traits of Hela culture currently preserved among Sinhalas.
'ae' vowel sound (3rd and 4th letters of the Sinhala Alphabet) is said to be UNIQUE to Sinhala compared with other Indian sub continent languages. Neither Sanskrit nor Pali nor Tamil language has this vowel sound. There is no Indian language that can be said to have introduced this vowel sound to Sinhala.
Sinhalese have either invented this vowel sound, or it has been incorporated from the existing native Hela languages. |
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Mucha,
Can you help me unravel this puzzle?
SL Tamil Eelamists claim they have only an inconsiderable relationship to the Tamil Nadu Tamils. According to them, SL Tamil culture is NATIVE to Sri Lanka as much as the Sinhalese Culture is, (eventhrough they speak a dialect of Tamil Language spoken in Tamil Nadu).
Tamil Nadu Tamils are however very much sensitive about SL Tamils. SL Tamil issues play a key role in Tamil Nadu politics even to the extent of determining election outcomes. Why are they left to worry about SL Tamils who even deny being the same race?
I feel SL Tamil Eelamists have not sufficiently explained to Tamil Nadu Tamils that SL Tamils are a unique race, NATIVE to Sri Lanka. What is your guess?
Edited By - GamaRaala - 7 Aug 2006 07:39:32 GMT |
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7 Aug 2006 08:17:15 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hello
I will be here and would be happy to learn about when people can come out with concrete proof that balangoda man was speaking in sinhala and his wife was nimali, lived miles apart but managed to kiss everyday and spoke in sinhela and his governor in punguduthivu brought tobacco plantation workers from India.
Keep on dumping rubbish here can only make this thread to go 100 pages.
Till that time you can go round and round and round and round.
Some more to add I will come back.
Edited By - shan - 7 Aug 2006 08:19:39 GMT |
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