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Buddhist monks given training to ensure peaceful co-existence in Sri Lanka
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GamaRaala
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 26 Jul 2006 06:12:00 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
You hit head on with Karthigesu Indrapala on Historical Separate Tamil Kingdom.
I am talking about the existence of Tamils in Sri Lanka in the pre-historic period and the existence of Tamil Kingdoms in the north-east of Sri Lanka.
Indrapala does NOT say there was Tamil Kingdoms in SL. What you do is quoting him on the presence of Tamils in SL, and link that with a 'Tamil Kingdom' of your own!.
Ii is true that I have always maintained that Sri Lankan Tamils too are native to Sri Lanka.
I already explain this. Jews are NOT native to Europe although they lived there for 2000 years.
Tamil culture is not native to Sri Lanka. This is not a matter of people or blood lines being native to Sri Lanka. This is a matter of the culture that is native in Sri Lanka.
Tamil, Muslims and Burgher are migrant cultures in Sri Lanka.
The future depends on whether Tamil separatists accept this reality and drop their demands for Federal states or Separate states, and learn Sinhalese and co-exist with Sinhalese.
Majority of muslims co-exist with Sinhalese successfully, it is only Tamil separatists who oppose the due rights of Sinhalese nation and demand seperate federal states or autonomy.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 06:19:16 GMT |
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 26 Jul 2006 06:32:31 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gamarala,
I too wish that Tamils gave up separtion but the reality is that it will be probably in excahnge for a Federal state.
If you expect that Tamils will give up both, what can I say other than to say 'wishful thinking'.
If the majority had accommadated the concerns of the monorities and treated them as equals in the early stages of the ethnic problem, there would not have been a need for even autonomy; we could have co-exieted within a unitary consitiuitioon. But now its too late for that.
If Tamil culture is not native to Sri Lanka, so is the Buddhist culture!!
Majority of muslims co-exist with Sinhalese successfully, it is only Tamil separatists who oppose the due rights of Sinhalese nation and demand seperate federal states or autonomy.
That is the choice the Muslims have made; accepting to live as second class citizens when it comes to the language and culture. For them religion is more important than language and culture.
You and they will see the reality when the Sinhala Buddhists touch their religion in time to come.
Wait for the fun, if it ever happens!
It is the Tamil issue that has diverted the attention for the time being temperorily.
For Tamils what is important is the language and culture.
That is the decision we have made. We are not prepared to give up that to co-exist so called 'sucessfully'.
Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 06:36:19 GMT |
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26 Jul 2006 06:45:25 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
If Tamil culture is not native to Sri Lanka, so is the Buddhist culture!!
Sinhala-Buddhist culture is the native culture to SL.
Sinhala-Christian culture evolved later, so as a culture, it is not native to SL. Nor does Tamil-Hindu or Tamil Christian culture. It does not matter whether people of these different cultures have the same ancestry/blood/DNA-relatedness or not.
For Tamils what is important is the language and culture.
That is the decision we have made. We are not prepared to give up that to co-exist so called 'sucessfully'.
To correct you, Culture and Language is important to Tamils when they are in SL, but when they step into UK or USA, it has ZERO importance to them. Eelamists live happily in those countries with ZERO Tamil or Hindu rights.
Sinhalese have no problem with Tamils valuing their culture; but no nation, be it Sinhalese or Americans, will tolerate if a migrant race force their migrant culture onto the native nation. Tamils in the USA cannot get equal rights to Tamil language. Nor can they get a Federal state for Tamils. So should it be in SL.
Tamils as a migrant race enjoy due rights in SL. It is unfortunate that some of them resort to mythical kingdoms and demand 'more' rights based on myths.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 06:58:50 GMT |
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26 Jul 2006 07:02:45 GMT Report for Abuse
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The Tamils or even Sinhalese who migrated overseas in the recent past had done so willingly and have to accept the laws of the land as they knew that when they migrated.
Tamils of Sri Lanka whether you like it or not, are native to Sri Lanka and would not be satisfied with anything less than equality. If that will happen only in a separate state, who can change that. You are forcing that choice on me too.
I wish it was not the case.
Tamils as a migrant race enjoy due rights in SL. It is unfortunate that some of them resort to mythical kingdoms and demand 'more' rights based on myths.
If the majority's attitude is this, there is no need for any separatist propaganda, you are providing it free of charge.
I cannot say anything other than have a hearty laugh:
hahahahahahahahahaa!!
Wish you good luck!
Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 07:08:27 GMT |
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26 Jul 2006 07:07:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
The Tamils who migrated overseas had done so willing and have to accept the laws of the land as they knew that when the migrated
The laws of this land Sri Lanka has always been set by the Sinhalese. There was no SEPERATE TAMIL KINDOM in SL. Indrapala specifically says there was not even a Tamil Identity, let alone a kingdom in SL prior to 12 CAD.
So, the problem today is that a migrant race claims native-nationhood status based on Myths. |
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26 Jul 2006 07:09:57 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gamarala,
If the majority's attitude is this, there is no need for any separatist propaganda, you are providing it free of charge.
I cannot say anything other than have a hearty laugh:
hahahahahahahahahaa!!
Wish you good luck!
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26 Jul 2006 07:12:36 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
there is no need for any separatist propaganda, you are providing it free of charge.
The Tamil separatist propanda is two fold;
1-Purpoted existance of Mythical Tamil homeland and claiming right of self determination on that.
2-Purport Tamils are subjected injustices solely because being Tamil.
The first approach is already debunked by Sinhalese Historians as well as Tamil historians.
The second approach is already debunked by statistics as to how Tamils enjoyed disproportionately higher share of privileges than any other race, thanks to the British 'Divide and Rule' practice.
There is no 'injustices' that a Tamil has to face solely because s/he is a Tamil. They enjoy all the due rights of a migrant race. Whatever the rights Tamils have in the UK or Norway, they have the same rights plus MORE in SL.
What Tamil separatists lament about today is the loss of this disproportionately higher share of privileges.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 07:40:13 GMT |
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26 Jul 2006 07:41:46 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gamarala,
We all can believe what we want to believe.
Myths and legends are common to any society in the world. However, the existence of Tamil kingdoms in the North are facts and not myths.
You can keep on repeating what you say about the real or perceived discrimination claimed by Tamils of Sri Lanka. The issue is whether the majority wants to address those issues with a view to keep Sri Lanka as a multi-cultural, multi lingual or multi-ethnic society or not.
The time will tell whether Sri Lanka would survive as one Sinhala Buddhist country or get separated on ethnic lines.
But I believe that there is still hope for Sri Lanka to be the Homeland for all of us in a Truly Federal State where all communities can live in peace and harmony.
If you think otherwise, my opinion is that the choice is whether to become like,
Pakistan and India
OR
Singapore and Malaysia
Lets hope for the best!!
Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 07:45:57 GMT |
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26 Jul 2006 07:51:56 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
However, the existence of Tamil kingdoms in the North are facts and not myths.
It is just that historians, Karthigesu Indrapala included, are not aware of this Mythical Tamil Kingdom :-) This bad fellow Indrapala instead says Tamils did not have a Seperate Identity, let alone a kingdom, prior to 12 CAD |
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26 Jul 2006 08:05:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gamarala,
Now that you are persisting with Prof. Indrapala, once again let me quote what he said:
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From pre-historic times, its people have been, to use contemporary term, multi-cultural. From the myriad cultural groups that were there in the pre-historic period, about 2500 years ago, two major ethnic identities, the Sinhalese and Tamils, began to evolve in the Early historic period
He not only said a separate Tamil identity evolved he said the same thing referring to Sinhalese.
Can you quote where Prof. Indrapala said that there was no Tamil Kingdom in Jaffna at any given time??
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