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Buddhist monks given training to ensure peaceful co-existence in Sri Lanka
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Kulakottan
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LK Information  26 Jul 2006 02:39:46 GMT  Report for Abuse  
Mahabala,

whatsoever the situation, you approach related to Tamil issues in Sri Lanka is wrong.

You must support democratic approach with a strong leadership among Tamils but not a terrorist and arrogant type approach


I beg to disagree with you. Why should you perceive everyone who defends the fact that Sri Lankan Tamils too were native to Sri Lanka or the Tamil language as someone who supports terrorism?

This is the wrong approach of the Sinhala brethren since 1983.
Please do not jump into conclusion but read my posts carefully.

There is neither Hindu no Buddhist cultural things can be seen (temple, or kowil ) no any stature or coinds were found no any cities were developed


I can give you enough of evidences to refute your statement.

There are literary evidences to suggest that King Mahasena destroyed many Siva Temples including one in the East of the country and built many Buddhist Viharas.

There are coins issued by the Kings of Jaffna which were different to the ones issued in South India.

The urn burials found in Pomparippu indicates the existence of Dravidian people in Sri Lanka.

The remains found in Anaikottai in Jaffna which is dated to pre-historic period had the name 'Ko' inscribed in a potsherd found together indicate a name of a Tamilian chief.

Many of the early Prakrit inscriptions in Sri Lanka has the Dravidian influenced words such as Paramuka (Perumakan- Chief of a clan) and Marumaka ( marumakan) indicating the existence of Tamil/Dravidians speakers in the Island.

This country has never been populated by a homogeneous race even in the pre-historic periods. It has always been a multi-cultural, multi-religious and multi-ethnic society. Until we all accept that fact there shall never be peace in our country.
Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 02:44:57 GMT
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Kula,

A last resort some Eelamist resort to when they have no valid material is to paint a picture that there may have been some Tamil migrants in some parts of Sri Lanka in the past, and try to claim an independent nationhood on that basis.

Jews have been living in various parts of the Eurpoe for last 3000 years including Germany. Applying Eelamists' logic, Germany must be an independent Jew homeland. :-) Fabulous!.

Sri Lanka was the Sinhalese Kingdom, and Tamil might have lived in the Sinhalese kingdom -- but that does not make them eligible for nationhood and independent homelands. In the same way, Jews do not have homelands in Germany.

For that matter, Tamils live in USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ and they will continue to live and build Kovils for another hundreds of years. But that doesn't make them eligible for 'homelands' in respective countries :-)

South Indians (including Tamils) and Europeans invaded Sri Lanka time to time and left their cultural marks in Sri Lanka which are even visible today. That does not make any of them eligible to have 'independent homelands' in Sri Lanka.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 03:07:57 GMT
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Gamarala,
SINHALA speaking SINHALESE is a culture that evolved in Sri Lanka.

I would agree with you that the language 'Sinhala' evolved in Sri Lanka and a Sri Lankan Buddhist culture evolved in Sri Lanka. It is different from what you said.

As Prof. Indrapala has said that two identities one the 'Sinhala speaking Buddhist' and the other 'Tamil speaking Saivaites' got evolved after the 13th century. There was no such division existed before the 13th century. That does not prove that there were no Tamils lived in Sri lanka before the 13th century or there were more than one kingdoms existed. Most likely they were united by the Buddhist religion prior to the 13th century.

This is same as French native to France and Italians native to Italy and Germans native to Germany. These people may have same blood lines, but that does
not make Italians having homelands in Germany or France.


Please do not look at everything with a 'separation-phobia'. The issue I am arguing is not about separation is justified or not. As I have indicated many a times, I am dead against separation. I am talking about the existence of Tamils in Sri Lanka in the pre-historic period and the existence of Tamil Kingdoms in the north-east of Sri Lanka. Some might use that to justify a separate state in the North-East but not me.

Every country in the contemporary geography was a collection of many countries in the pre-historic days. Italy. Germany or France was non-existence in the pre-historic time. Austria also a German speaking country. There are Italian speaking communities in Switzerland. German and French are spoken in Switzerland. They have found unity in diversity. By including the minorities in the political process, by addressing their issues and by avoiding discrimination these countries have found a way to maintain their unity. If you look at all these countries they have all adopted more decentralized political process through Federalism which we have failed to do.
That has created the rebellion and call for separation.
What we have to do is to address those issues and prevent separation.
We have missed such opportunities many a times and continuing to do so.

If we continue to do so more and more, we will only inching towards separation by default.

The choice is ours.

Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 03:11:11 GMT
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Kula,

I am talking about the existence of Tamils in Sri Lanka in the pre-historic period and the existence of Tamil Kingdoms in the north-east of Sri Lanka


If that existed, surely Prof Indrapala must have mentioned that, isnt it? :-))

You can believe in Myths -- the choice is yours :-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 03:23:39 GMT
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Jews have been living in various parts of the Eurpoe for last 3000 years including Germany. Applying Eelamists' logic, Germany must be an independent Jew homeland. :-) Fabulous!.


This is news to me.
I thought they have been living in Israel 2000 years ago when Jesus was born. I did not know that they have been living in Europe even before the Roman empire. If that is true I am sure they have a claim for a separate homeland in Europe.

For that matter, Tamils live in USA, UK, Canada, Australia, NZ and they will continue to live and build Kovils for another hundreds of years. But that doesn't make them eligible for 'homelands' in respective countries :-)


This is the major reason for today?s problems.
Tamils in the countries you have referred above are migrants. That is why there is no issue of ownership or rights claims.
In Sri Lankan we feel we are natives and that is why the claim for equality.

Interestingly, you call South Indians who came from India as invaders but the North Indian Vijaya your ancestor.
What logic is this?
My only understanding is that it is the mind-set installed by Ven.Mahanama.
Why can?t you call both ancestors or both invaders.

How about the others who crossed over the sand banks of the narrow Palk-straight during the very very early days, perhaps even before the Iron age, from Tamil Nadu, Mlayalam or PAndi Nadu???

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Kula,

German Jews have lived in Germany for over 1700 years, through both periods of tolerance and spasms of anti-Semitic violence, culminating in the Holocaust and the destruction of the Jewish community in Germany and much of Europe.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Germany

Are they eligible for seperate Jew homeland in Germany? :-))

France is also an eligible Jew Homeland, applying Eelamist theory.

The history of the Jews of France dates back over 2,000 years. In the early Middle Ages, France was a center of Jewish learning


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_France
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 03:37:09 GMT
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Kula,

In Sri Lankan we feel we are natives and that is why the claim for equality.


Kula, you as a person in native to SL. Tamils as a culture/race is NOT native to SL. Tamil is the native culture of Tamil Nadu. Sinhalese is the native culture in Sri Lanka.

Why can?t you call both ancestors or both invaders.


Kula, you can call both of them invaders or ancesstors. It doesn't matter.

SINHALESE DO NOT claim any rights based on Vijayan's ancesstory. Vijaya was NOT SINHALESE. Vijaya's tribe in North India does not have a homeland in Sri Lanka.

This is different to Tamil invaders, from whom some of today's Tamils are descending.
We have no problem with their ancesstory. It is just that they don't have a homeland in Sri Lanka, just like Vijaya's tribe in North India does not have a homeland in Sri Lanka.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 03:43:21 GMT
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Gamarala,

you wrote:

If that existed, surely Prof Indrapala must have said that, isnt it? :-)) You can believe in Myths -- the choice is yours :-)


Yes, he has said what you want to hear.

Unfortunately it appears that many are still reading excerpts of his dissertation of 1965 and not the book of 2005.

Prof. Indrapla
Quote:
#1
p23 of his dissertation of 1965
In view of this limitations and difficulties, while we may claim to have added something to our knowledge of the history of the Tamils of Ceylon, the account presented here is inevitably incomplete and not always definite. We have often been led to state our conclusions in hypothetical terms.


#2
Preface of his book of 2005

Needless to say, that dissertation is now completely out of date. My own perspective and interpretations have changed since its completion. More importantly,significant developments, both in terms of archaeological research and changing historical perspectives, have taken place in the last four decades.


#3
p01

From pre-historic times, its people have been, to use contemporary term, multi-cultural. From the myriad cultural groups that were there in the pre-historic period, about 2500 years ago, two major ethnic identities, the Sinhalese and Tamils, began to evolve in the Early historic period


Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 05:26:08 GMT
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Kula,

Again, you are trying to justify the possible presence of Tamils in Sri Lanka and claim an Independent Homeland on that.

This is similar to Jews's historical presense in Europe withing qualifying them for homelands all over Europe.

Karthigesu Indrapala did NOT say Tamils have an independent Homeland or Kingdom. Get it? There was no such Tamil Kingdom. There are no evidences for that. History is against you. ;-)

Just because Tamils were in SL does not make them entitle to have an independent homeland. What Indrapala says is that until 12 CAD, there was NOT EVEN TAMIL IDENTITY in Sri Lanka, let alone a Kingdom.

Tamil identity and Muslim identity evolved much later.

These identities are not native, but originated due to migrations. If the later evolved Tamil identity has a right to separate homeland, so should be the Muslims identity as well as Burgher identity and any more identities that will evolve in the fiuure !
Edited By - GamaRaala - 26 Jul 2006 05:32:38 GMT
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Gamarala,

Again, you are trying to justify the possible presence of Tamils in Sri Lanka and claim an Independent Homeland on that


Where did I claim an Independant Homeland?

Ii is true that I have always maintained that Sri Lankan Tamils too are native to Sri Lanka. I can only quote my earlier post again:

Please do not look at everything with a 'separation-phobia'. The issue I am arguing is not about separation is justified or not. As I have indicated many a times, I am dead against separation. I am talking about the existence of Tamils in Sri Lanka in the pre-historic period and the existence of Tamil Kingdoms in the north-east of Sri Lanka. Some might use that to justify a separate state in the North-East but not me.


you wrote:

Just because Tamils were in SL does not make them entitle to have an independent homeland. What Indrapala says is that until 12 CAD, there was NOT EVEN TAMIL IDENTITY in Sri Lanka, let alone a Kingdom.


This response does not surprise me at all. Since I have alreday replied that:

I can only request you to read Prof. Indrapala?s book again.
I can request you to read my posts again.
I can show you the water, but I or even all of us Tamils together cannot make you drink.

You or I, winning arguments will not change the course of the future.

However, what the majority collectively going to do, in the next few years will decide whether our motherland Sri Lanka will survive as one country or not in the future.

I can only wish for sanity to prevail.

Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Jul 2006 05:51:35 GMT
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