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LuLa
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 4 Jul 2006 09:27:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kamalpere2 says,
Regarding Buddha's 3 visits to Sri Lanka,
Wether flying or walking they have come to SL.forget about flying. there was a road to SL from india.adams bridge .
According to the Mahavamsa, Buddha made three magical trips to Sri Lanka, each time colonizing another area of the island, in preparation for the formal introduction of Buddhism two centuries after his death. One of these trips was to settle a dispute between the Yakkhas and Nagas at Naga Divipa (Ninathivu) where the Buddha tamed the Yakkhas -- the non-human inhabitants of the island.
There are no evidences what so ever to support this claim other than the three chaithiyas built in the recent past by the Sinhalese Buddhists at 3 different locations to say, this is where Buddha came. Even the footprint of Buddha at Sri Pada (Adam?s peak) is only a myth.
There is a clear record of all the main events of Buddha, the places he visited, with whom he was, where and what he preached and to whom he preached, in the Buddhist scriptures Tripitika, where as in Sri Lanka the Mahavamsa which was written by a Buddhist monk more than 1000 years after the passing away of Lord Buddha is also considered as a part of the Buddhist scriptures although it deals mostly with mythical or supernatural Buddhist history. Since all the above were written in the Pali language, a Buddhist layperson who does not understand Pali cannot understand the difference between the two and therefore he/she believes everything what the Buddhist monks preach, as the true words of Buddha.
Even Wilhelm Geiger, the Pali scholar who translated the Mahavamsa to English/German says in his writings 'The trustworthyness of the Mahavamsa' that the 3 visits of Buddha is purely legendary, invented at a later time in the island itself in order to legitimate its sanctity. (http://ccbs.ntu.edu.tw/FULLTEXT/JR-ENG/gei.htm).
This is what he says:
There is a good number of fables, legends and tales of marvels in the Mahavamsa, and we must in each particular case attempt to find out whether there is in the narrative an historical kernel or not. It is, for instance, evident that the story of the three visits of the Buddha to Lanka in ch. 1 is purely legendary, invented at a later time in the island itself in order to legitimate its sanctity.
But we stand on a firmer ground in regard to the report of the three Buddhist Councils (chs. 3-5). It is not necessary to assume that the report is correct in all its details. But the fact itself can hardly be called into question. The Northern Buddhist tradition mentions only two Councils, but the confusion that exists in this tradition regarding the date of the Second Council does not recommend it as more trustworthy than the Southern tradition. |
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 4 Jul 2006 09:28:15 GMT Report for Abuse
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Morafines,
The reality is different to what you say. Indian Tamils in the central part of the country were those migrated to Sri Lankan in 19th and 20th centuries, very similar to Jews immigration to Israel, although I am not going to talk about it anymore.
Extremists have said in many occasions that they want to eliminate Israel whereas Indian Tamils of Sri Lanka were not a problem to those in the area, they were not regarded as second class citizens, only a few politicians made it an issue but in the end, the politicians themselves made those folks citizens of the country. These Tamils are not related to the ethnic problem that we have out there. Hence my reference was 'not' to the ethnic conflict.
It is, unlike you say, not very difficult to argue, but your type of religious extremism is the root cause for most of the problems today. You are a minority among millions of 'decent' muslims.
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Sirisanga,
Muslim attitude? so for you the entire Muslim world got an attitude?
I know you have a limit to your understanding and it?s very very small. But I said, the ?muslim attitude that causes problems like Bin Laden?s and Moranife?s? not of my muslim friends.
And you are the man who led a delegation to meet your good old friend Kadiragama? and you can talk so well and so diplomatically on religious issues no wander what you spoke to him?
Same again, your limit. I know where to speak and how to speak. Diplomacy is not always a mandate for fanatics like you and your mate. |
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4 Jul 2006 09:44:08 GMT Report for Abuse
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Buruhile,
Graceful citizens?
Yes they are no longer people without a country, they are citizens of the country. That's graceful enough to start with.
The estate Tamils have been slaves for 100 of years in Sri Lanka, without a identity or travel document.
Glad you knew something more than passing a ball. Yes that was why it was wrong. That was why they were made citizens of the country. Did you want them to be sent back somewhere else?
where as people like Jillboll live for couple of years in the west and claim the citizenship and comparing the Citizenship granted to Estate Tamils as so Nobel and graceful.
How do you know how long I lived anywhere? Not that I am going to answer any of your questions anymore but speak for yourself. Whatever the citizenship, it is graceful, if granted. That takes lot of stress away from those who seek it. You know it, you were one of them, don?t count me.
Well, what can we expect from PUNNAKKU eaters???.
Not a lot, either stop eating or see your GP.
Edited By - Jillball - 4 Jul 2006 09:45:32 GMT |
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 4 Jul 2006 11:06:58 GMT Report for Abuse
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LULA and the Eelamists
Whatever the Mahavamsa says or does not say it is much more believable than the stories made up much more recently - in the last (say) 25 to 30 years by the tamil homeland theorists.
You dont have to go back thousands of years to know that the tamil homeland is a figment of bull...t |
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Bunkerbuster ... Well, you are right because I was born and bred as a Muslim and our concepts of God, Salvation and things are quite different to the 'concepts and ideology' of other faiths of India.
Religion is good and too much of it also bad in todays world. There had been people in all Faiths & Religions in this World who had been 'using' religion as a 'stepping stone' for worldly gains or popularity. Sri Lanka is no exception. Having a healthy argument on Religion is alright, but sometimes there are things in many Religions which might not go well with the other. As the saying goes : one man's Food is another mans Poison' and so is the Religion of one from another.It is rather better to have knowledge of other 'religions', atleast for the sake of knowledge. I have studied Buddhism very well and my conclusion is that - as a theoretical way of life it has attraction, but many concepts cannot be carried out practically.
Dumindak & others.... First of all you guys must know what the term MYTHOLOGY means. Pls. check this worrd in the Oxford Dictionary and once you guys are 'enlightened' to the meaning of that word we could go ahead. In Islam there is no room for Myths ,but BELIEF. Why do we 'Believe'?!. Because, the Prophet Muhammed and the Holy Qur'an instructs and educates us as so !.
Similarly, it is because of Gautama Buddha preached about the Eight Fold Path that the Buddhists 'believe ' in that concept although I doubt all Buddhist must be harkening or practicing that message !. Did the Buddha talk of God, Heaven and Hell... NO. If that would be so where is the place for Jathaka stories which are full of gods, hellfire and a sort of bliss which could be classified as heavan. MAny of those stories are MYTHOLOGICAL in nature. MYTHOLOGY IS NOT HISTORY. Mythology is something akin to FICTION.
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GalleDuke
LULA and the Eelamists
First of all, I am not an Eelamist. I do not believe in a separate state (country) called a Tamil Eelam because it will be disastrous to have one.
On the other hand, I also do not believe in a unitary state which is an utter failure in our country as we see for the last 58 years.
I believe in a united federal system.
Whatever the Mahavamsa says or does not say it is much more believable than the stories made up much more recently - in the last (say) 25 to 30 years by the Tamil homeland theorists.
You dont have to go back thousands of years to know that the Tamil homeland is a figment of bull...t
If you go thro my posting history, I have already replied to such statements many times.
You are right; we do not need to go back thousands of years to know about the Tamil homeland.
Where shall we start, from less than a thousand years, say around 900 years, from 12th CAD or from when the Europeans (Portuguese, Dutch, and English) arrived???
The choice is yours, please let me know. |
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4 Jul 2006 13:52:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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Jillball...simply because I happened to write about Buddhism and about Mahawamsa does not 'IMPLY' that I am personifying Islam. I was born into Islam and I am familiar with all the concepts of my Faith, it is simple as that.
It doesn't matter whether you believe me or not, I respect other Religions and seldom go into arguments on Religion.
But, here my instincts had been different for un-known reasons.Perhaps it is because we don't see each other but simply write. But, that does not mean I will surpass ethical norms.
Your identification of Bin Laden is similar to how he is being projected by the Western Governments. For your information
Veera Keppetipola and the Fernando - Alias Veera Puran Appu, who are considered national heroes by your people, had also being considered as terrorist in the sight of the British Rulers of the time. I don't see any differences between them !.
You say: 'Morafines,
The reality is different to what you say. Indian Tamils in the central part of the country were those migrated to Sri Lankan in 19th and 20th centuries, very similar to Jews immigration to Israel, although I am not going to talk about it anymore.
Extremists have said in many occasions that they want to eliminate Israel whereas Indian Tamils of Sri Lanka were not a problem to those in the area, they were not regarded as second class citizens, only a few politicians made it an issue but in the end, the politicians themselves made those folks citizens of the country. These Tamils are not related to the ethnic problem that we have out there. Hence my reference was 'not' to the ethnic conflict.
It is, unlike you say, not very difficult to argue, but your type of religious extremism is the root cause for most of the problems today. You are a minority among millions of 'decent' Muslims.
I am a Muslim, But DEFINITELY not a FANATIC. If , that is how you have fathomed me, well... I cannot help it. You may conclude or judge in any way possible. That's your Freedom.
When we talk of either Religion or Race, there is always gonna be irritations. Religion is a very sensitive issue to every one whether that Faith is 'practical' or not. LET US LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF RELIGION FOR GOOD.
The Tamils is in the Central Hills of Sri Lanka had been a
down trodden lot until perhaps two decades ago. S. Thondaman was instrumental in alleviating their lot. Many Sinhalese in the Hills looked down upon them is not my wishful thinking ,but the truth. However, that aspect of their lives was not a major issue in Sri Lankas Political History except the issue of Citizenship.
Edited By - MorafiNes - 4 Jul 2006 14:11:52 GMT |
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 4 Jul 2006 14:04:34 GMT Report for Abuse
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No doubt! Prabhakaran is a product of thamilnadu.
Really TN ?
I will say India + Sri lanka..
TN do not control the Indian army ! |
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4 Jul 2006 15:58:24 GMT Report for Abuse
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Morafines,
It doesn?t really matter where you were born and what you believe in. In the first message, where you were questioning Buddhism, you automatically indicated how much a fanatic you were. We all know many Muslims, we grew up with them but hardly anybody questioned faith of anybody else. Not only Jathaka stories, but one can question Quaran and Bible too. But that?s not anybody?s business, you either believe in it or leave it alone. By attempting to denigrate one religion, you are glorifying another, that?s a sign of fanaticism. I?ll take your word that you are not a fanatic but as you know, actions speak louder than words.
But, here my instincts had been different for un-known reasons.Perhaps it is because we don't see each other but simply write. But, that does not mean I will surpass ethical norms.
I know what you mean, when you just crossed the line only this debate started, but good to keep it that way.
Your identification of Bin Laden is similar to how he is being projected by the Western Governments. For your information Veera Keppetipola and the Fernando - Alias Veera Puran Appu, who are considered national heroes by your people, had also being considered as terrorist in the sight of the British Rulers of the time. I don't see any differences between them !.
Yes there are similarities but they are vastly different. As you claim to know a lot about them, I shall leave it to you to find out. Except for a few in the world, Bin laden is always a terrorist.
I am a Muslim, But DEFINITELY not a FANATIC. If, that is how you have fathomed me, well... I cannot help it. You may conclude or judge in any way possible. That's your Freedom.
When we talk of either Religion or Race, there is always gonna be irritations. Religion is a very sensitive issue to every one whether that Faith is 'practical' or not. LET US LEAVE THE SUBJECT OF RELIGION FOR GOOD.
You started it, it?s not my intention to hurt anyone, but religions are faiths, which can not be compared with each other in most aspects, that is why they are different. You believe in something and it does not necessarily be scientific, but that shouldn?t matter.
S. Thondaman was instrumental in alleviating their lot. Many Sinhalese in the Hills looked down upon them is not my wishful thinking ,but the truth. However, that aspect of their lives was not a major issue in Sri Lankas Political History except the issue of Citizenship.
Thondamans are benefiting from Indian tamil struggle. Of course they did something, got the guys the citizenship. But that is it, now Thondamans are looking after only themselves not the masses, and also, they do not allow any other politician to do anything else in the area. When somebody else wanted to build a hospital or a school, Thondaman stands across, he wants the money for himself to do the job. Look at the Kothmale power station, the best example.
Sinhalese in the area, mostly poor, never looked down upon them unlike you say, I AM AFRAID. No hard feelings, it is a bad thing to attempt to compare and contrast religions, which could lead to dangerous ends. What we need is religious harmony. |
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