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AnuD
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 3 Jul 2006 17:39:24 GMT Report for Abuse
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Morafines:
IF MONKS CANNOT CONTROL THEMSELVES; THEN WHAT ABOUT THE LAY PEOPLE?!. THAT IS THE QUESTION?!.
Cobra does not seem to be close by to respond to your question.
So, I respond. If you read about Buddhism, MOnak are not enlightened. They just accepted to be calibate and practice Buddhist way.
Ik you know the maning og the word KAMA - mean all attractions - goes away only when the practionaer is close to be a Arahath. All other three stage before theArahath stage has 'kamaraga'. So you can not blame monks. they have 'sensual feelings'.
If lay people also practice buddhism they can control their feelings, only if they practice and not otherwise. |
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Anud... you have said...'So, I respond. If you read about Buddhism, MOnak are not enlightened. They just accepted to be calibate and practice Buddhist way.
Ik you know the maning og the word KAMA - mean all attractions - goes away only when the practionaer is close to be a Arahath. All other three stage before the Arahath stage has 'kamaraga'. So you can not blame monks. they have 'sensual feelings'.'
Can you DEFINE the term ENLIGHTMENT to me?!. It is not necessary to be Maharaishi or a Pundit to undestand this WORD 'enlightment'. Enlightment, in terms of the Gautama or any other Prophet could be construed or understood as follows:
' some sort of a revealation; or an idea; or a new knowledge or concept'. In the Sinhala Language it could be loosely translated as 'Buddhiya Pahala Una'. The Buddha under the Peepal tree(Bo tree) 'understood - or came to the conclution, or it dawned on him' that to cessade from all sufferings in ones life, Tanha or Aasha should be extinguised. This 'dawn of an idea or understanding of a way of doing something new' could be translated or conctrued
as ENLIGHTMENT.
I quite well know the Word Kama and Kama Sutra !. So, if you guys are trying to tell us ONLY ARAHANTS are devoid of these Kamas.Tell, us of any renowned ARAHANT after the Buddha's Disciples who was able to get rid of all what you are trying to portray as the 'required stage'?!. If, only the Arahants can practice celibecy ,then what is the point or reason of a person donning the Robes of a Monk?!!.What for?!. As far as I have read in Buddhism there aren't any Arahant of the type you talking about after the Gautama Buddha.
The Great JILLBALL...you have said: 'You may have heard a few words here and there but what do you know about Buddhism to speak about it? You believe in what you chose to or what your parents chose you for, and keep away from the rest of the religions. That will help you, your family and the world. Your attitude is the very Muslim attitude that causes all the problems in the world, the superiority. If as a Muslim, you can't believe in the re-incarnation, that's not the end of the world. Many do not believe in a God, but the attempt of religious fanatics like you and your brother Laden (the bin) have already wrecked a havoc in the world by disapproving every other religion. I do not want to ask whether have you seen your God or when will you give the freedom to womankind or any sensitive issues to your religion, but it would be appropriate if you keep to your faith and do what you could for your survival. Religions are all faiths, structured by those noble men for the betterment of the world, let?s keep it that way.
Some Muslims want to eliminate Israel from where it is, whereas in Sri Lanka millions of Indian Tamil estate workers were made graceful citizens. People like you have got citizenships of different parts of the world. Religious fanaticism is the root cause for many a problem in the world today. Let?s try not to dispute them but to work for religious harmony in the simplest way we could.
JILLBAll...If you are unable to Stomach the reality and truth ...then ofcourse you have to write in the vein you had done. I understand your irritation Jolly well.
The Palestinians are not trying eliminate the Israelis, but fighting for their legitimate Country which was robbed by the Israelis. Because of you guys trying act like the 'legitimate people of Lanka and thinking as a speciall people' and all others as 2nd class citizons is another reason which created this problem in the first place.
Talking of all your 'generosity' is one thing and ground situation is quite different in many matters !.
It is very difficult for you to go on arguing on the subject we are talking about isn't it?! So, it is natural to deviate or drag some unwanted subject.
The Tamil Ethnic problem today is aggrevated not because of Muslims, but guys like you. I am compelled to write this because you are talking about the Sinhala 'graciosness'. THE WHOLE WORLD KNOWS THE KILLINGS CONDUCTED BY THE 'ENLIGHTENED' Buddhist since 1915!.
First and foremost 'try to see the BEAM which is shadowing your eye sight and your 'thinking'- rather than pointing a finger or trying to see a 'hair' on the eye of another person.
Edited By - MorafiNes - 3 Jul 2006 18:26:19 GMT |
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 3 Jul 2006 19:09:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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| That's LTTE. They got trained from India and hit back to them. what a great betrayal. |
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| There was thousands who became enlightened at Buddha's time and few until recently. There could be someone who's enlightened now but they don't tell any body. Usually Buddha is an enlightened person who discover the thruth by himself and preach others. Pase budhu is a person who will discover thruth by himself but would not preach others. A rahath is a person who will discover the thruth by the teaching of a buddha and preach others as well. People who wear yellow robes cannot be thought as pure monks. But we respect their robes because thousands of Enlighted monks war the yello robe. Atleast in past monks tried their best to get closer to the path of enlightment by surpressing desires. That's why they don't marry and don't eat after 12 noon. It doesn't mean they don't get the desires. Monks duty is to surpress their desires. There are quite a lot of very compassinate, displined monks still in SRi Lanka. But the ones we see and here on media are only the bad ones. |
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3 Jul 2006 19:42:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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MorafiNes
These gullible believe that the Buddha told these mythological Jataka tales as true stories, (his previous lives). I am sure, like in all other religions where stories are incorporated to illustrate the Dhamma in a way any layperson can understand, Buddha also may have added these tales.
Let?s consider some examples,
In Nandivisala Jataka, we have an intelligent talking bull that could pull hundred carts.
The Mirga Jataka talks about a deer that saved a drowning merchant and later preached the Dhamma to the king who was hunting.
In Sivi Jataka, king Sivi redeemed a pigeon by giving his own flesh, an exactly identical story is found in the Mahabharata.
I do not want to list all the Jatakas here to elaborate my point, but take a closer look at them and think, do you believe that they are true life stories?
It can be clearly proved that the bulk of these stories which form the Jataka are pre Buddhistic and merely adaptations of Hindu tales and fables which are much older.
Clear and rational way of thinking of Gautama the Buddha made him the revolt against the superstitious beliefs and practices of the Brahminical religion of his times.
It is unfortunate that after his passing away, most of the things what he condemned and discarded have crept back into Buddhism and Buddhist scriptures.
These scriptures were written long after Lord Buddha?s passing away by disciples most of whom were Brahmins. Thus, it is not surprising that a lot of Brahminical myths and concepts, which the Buddha has discarded, crept back into the Suttras and Jataka tales.
Another Jataka story which the gullible strongly believe is the Kusa Fathakaya, where the Bodhisattva was born as Kusa, and married a beautiful princess Pabawathie.
Sakra the king of Gods came unnoticed by any one while Pabawathie was asleep and rubbed her navel with his toe. This caused her to conceive without any intimacyual congress.
And the worst of all, the Pali texts of the Theravada Buddhist scriptures were written by the Sinhalese monks who are well known for their manipulations and jugglery.
Hence, the question will always remain whether the Pali texts of the Sinhalese Theravadins represent the oldest traditions which approach the actual teachings of Buddha or some spurious doctrines have been introduced along with it.
On the other hand, a religion/belief system should be practical enough so that the entire world population can adopt it without any difficulties. Can you go to the North Pole and preach Buddhism to the Eskimos who live on sea food. The moment you tell them to refrain from killing animals/fish they will ask you weather you escaped from mental asylum. |
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 3 Jul 2006 19:58:25 GMT Report for Abuse
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If you can believe in Religion, most of them have the Ghost as head, you can believe. Such as Buddah visited Lanka 3 times, Buddah put a foot on Adam's Peak, Jesus touched a water to make wine, Jesus woke up after 3 days in a coma..., Arch-Angels wishpered to Mohammed....so on.. so.. on
You will never see the Truthful World, Unless you Wake up from your dream. |
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 3 Jul 2006 20:05:26 GMT Report for Abuse
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This Great wisdom of Buddha must be learned , practiced rather than debating his history.
That is what lacks in Sri Lankan Budddhists including many monks who instead of preaching peace and love arouse the masses to hate and kill. Even if we forget what happened since 1983 for a moment, all the activities of the Buddist followers during 1956 to 1983 point to the fact that teaching of Lord Buddha had negligible effect on their conducts. Even Mahavamsa written by misguided monks is taken at its face reading and used to enslave the fellow inhabitants.Former US President Kennedy who was a Cathlic contested the election in a predominantly Protestant country whereas our former PM SWRD had to convert himself to Buddhism in order to win the election. The hatredness towards anti-Buddhists was also demonstrated by fundamentalists such as JHU. All points to the inevitable truth that those outside Buddhism have no future in SL.
Edited By - Sintamus - 3 Jul 2006 20:07:30 GMT |
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BunkerBuster
Thanks for correcting me. I thought it might not be the correct word to use. |
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You will never see the Truthful World, Unless you Wake up from your dream. Jehan religion is a part of human nature, like it or love it, it will always be present. Its is not solely religion that leads to violence, but IMO the differences in religions. I personally do not follow any religion because I do not like to believe in dogma - its always science for me. |
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3 Jul 2006 20:52:07 GMT Report for Abuse
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BunkerBuster
Tamils want to enter Buddha Business. Lots of dollars ?
Looks like you are already in the Business. By the way, are you a Sinhala Buddhist monk???
The Sinhala Buddhist Monks do business, handle money, and have Bank accounts.
They sell the ata pirika to earn money.
They print, record and sell magazines and Bana cassettes.
They have luxury cars and vans, and employ drivers.
They form trade unions/associations and collect money.
They support and encourage war (war mongers) and take bribes from the arms suppliers.
They engage in gambling and also buy instant lottery tickets.
The Tamils want to enter Buddha Business but the Sinhala Buddhist monks will not allow them, they only preach Bana to the Sinhala people.
There is no end, the list goes on. |
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