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Indian media reject LTTE`s mea culpa as crocodile tears
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Sintamus
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4 Jul 2006 18:09:45 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdulsalaam,
You want to believe LTTE is for peace, go ahead and do so but don't expect others to be so naive.
You believe GoSL is for peace? GoSL signed Bc and SC pacts what happened to them? LTTE and GoSL signed P-TOMS what happened to it?
Tamils/LTTE are not prepared to talk just to waste time as it happened with CBK and UNF in 1995 and 2003. CBK had a food embargo to Tamil areas and UNF and LTTE agreed to for sub-committees to implement reconstruction and rehabilitation, not a single project was even considered let alone implemented. Look at CFA, still the army and navy occupy civilians' homes, which should have been vacated by 90 days after signing CFA. Paramilitaries are still carrying arms which should have been disarmed by 30 day deadline.
What is the point of talking and signing agreements and NOT implememting them. Tamils do not have time on their side because this problem is dragged on for far too long 50 years. What does the GoSL want to talk about? LTTE is not going to talk about unitary state, let them come out with some genuine proposals with the idea of resolving the conflict and not to buy time until LTTE leader's time is out as did happeed o other Tamil political leaders. You just know the President is playing to the media when he invites Prabakaran to talk without spelling the proposals that he wants to talk on.
You must know who is naive? |
Abdulsalaam
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5 Jul 2006 07:32:16 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sintamus
What is LTTE's record on peace efforts?
= Even before the ink on the Indo Lanka Accord dried, Prabha went back on it.
= The Talks with RP in 1990 didn't last more than 3 months
= Same with the Talks with CBK in 1995
= Only the Talks with Ranil lasted a year.
In all these cases who walked out?
Peace talks between warring parties, any where in the world, is a long drawn out affair. Take the Israeli-Egyptian talks which started with Sadat's visit to Israel in Nov. 1977 and reached a deadlock in 1978. Only the intervention of President Carter and 12 days of continuous closed door secret negotiations in Camp David from Sep 5 to Sep 17, 1978 resulted in an Agreement. That is more than ten months of intense negotiations at the highest level. The implementation of that part of the agreement involving Israel and Egypt took several years with so many disputes on the way with the U.S. getting involved many times.
The other important part of the Agreement regarding the Palestinian problem never saw the light of the day.
In the case of Israel and Egypt, both badly wanted peace for different reasons and there was the Super Power which was applying a lot of pressure on Sadat and Begin. In spite of that it took almost a year for an agreement to emerge and years for one half of it to be implemented. The other half did not even get to discussing the modalities. That is the reality of peace making.
The LTTE is so focussed on war that it cannot understand the reality of peace making and the amount of patience, understanding and compromise needed. LTTE expects results with a few rounds of talks between officials without the leaders even saying Hello over the phone! LTTE is so much on a war mode that it is simply clueless on peace making. That is the biggest hurdle to peace in Sri Lanka. Unfortunately, even the LTTE supporters blindly support Prabha's war mentality.
Another serious mistake of the LTTE and its supporters is to think all GOSLs are the same. GOSL has had the Admn. of JR, RP, CBK and now MR with DBW and Ranil for short periods in between while the LTTE has remained the same. Each Admn. has different attitudes and approaches as are the leaders. To expect every one to behave like those before and repeat parrot-like the aborted BC-Chelva and Dudley-Chelva pacts is a very negative approach to peace - certainly a bad omen. No one who is seriously interested in peace can afford such negative attitude.
President MR announced publicly that he is ready to meet Prabha. This is a Sadat-like announcement. What was LTTE's response? Rejection by deafening, stony silence. Why can't Prabha test MR if LTTE is for peace? Have any LTTE supporters at least given a second thought to this gesture by the President? If Sadat didn't take the bold step to first announce that he is willing to address the Israeli Kenneset and Begin didn't accept the Sadat challenge, would there have been peace between Israel and Egypt?
Think about it all you LTTE supporters. |
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5 Jul 2006 09:47:36 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdulsalaam,
Take the Israeli-Egyptian talks which started with Sadat's visit to Israel
You talk like an Israeli now. Israel must have left the Arab territories ocupied after 1967 war itself to be abide by the UN Resolution. By claiming to be a Muslim you quote an example in which Egypt regained her own lands and benefited US money at the expense of Palestinians who languish in refugee camps after being chased out from their homes. US is a friend of Israel and heeds to latter's dictat to do injustice to Plestinians. This is how UNF govt masterminded the split in LTTE. That was a clever ploy of US and Israel to split the Arabs so that each of the actors can be given money/security to isolate the worst-affected victims, Palestinians. The Palestinians are worse off now than ever been in the past. If Arab countries are united they can resolve the Middle-East problem by using the petro-dollar held in US banks without firing a shot.
Even in your analogy no party tried to undermine one of the protagonists. In every 'negotiations' the SL leaders (Premadasa-by bribing Mathaya as his son revealed later, CBK- by imposing food embargo on Tamils and sending her friends and not a member of the GoSL to negotiate, UNF- while signing CFA masterminding the split of LTTE) tried to undermine and destroy LTTE. Even now while MR says he wants to talk to Prabakaran he urges the entire world to proscribe LTTE so that he can marginalize an organization banned by the entire world community. If two protagonists are sincere about talk there must have mutual trust at least during the time of such activity.
Look at UK, John Major led Conservative govt. started the talk with Sinn Fain/IRA and Tony Blair led Labour continued from where the previous Govt left and sought the help of US mediation. UK govt did not try to undermine or destroy Sinn Fain/IRA at any stage of the talks. LTTE feels insecure and feel threatened as the Govt bribe other Tamil parties to not only destroy LTTE but also kill Tamil civilians. You also might have heard that while Tamil Chelvan was going to meet Eric Solheim for the 1st time DPU booby trapped his tractor, that?s is the sort of dishonest leaders LTTE is negotiating with and hence had to talk the precautionary measures at every inch of its thorny path.
Tamils are against LTTE talking to MR directly because they remember what happened to SJV Chelva who asked for federalism but compromised to PC and when that was rejected to diluted District Councils, you know even that was sabotaged by Mrs SB by arousing the people to riot against Tamils. All you people talk about the Tamil terrorism by conveniently concealing 50 year state terrorisms. MR could not oust Norway as the mediator to have his/JVP/JHU way that is revert to pre-1983 cheating, he is trying underhand tactics so that if and when the future talks fail, he will blame LTTE squarely and it will be his word as head of state against LTTE?s as a so-called terrorists. MR has not moved beyond his extremist unitary state policy. Mr hasn?t said what he wants to talk about with Prabakaran either. How can anyone think he is genuine when he has not even outlined his proposals yet?
Tamils have suffered for more than 50 years, they experienced the brutalities of Security Forces, they expected their elected reps like elderly Ananthasagaree to solve their problem, all they have got now is the imperfect LTTE.
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5 Jul 2006 12:58:34 GMT Report for Abuse
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I took the Israeli-Egyptian example to illustrate the difficulties and time-consuming nature of any peace talks after years of war. I know fully well how disastrous it is for the Palestinians and the Arab and Muslim world.
Tell me, do you know of any peace process, after years of war, which led to a successful solution with a few rounds of talks in a matter of months? Any party to a peace process surely must be aware of the nature of such talks and how long they will take and how much compromise is required to reach a solution. Why is that your LTTE expects quick results?
You people cannot trust any government of SL from JR to MR. It was RP who saved the LTTE from annihilation by demanding the withdrawal of the IPKF and by supplying weapons and money to the LTTE. He literally threw a life line. How did LTTE repay him? First by turning against his government no sooner the IPKF was seen off and cold-bloodedly killing hundreds of Muslim and Sinhala Policemen who surrendered on the orders of RP. Later, the LTTE didn't spare even RP who followed in Rajiv's way . Can anybody trust the rutheless LTTE that has so cold-bloodedly demonstrated its propensity to eat the hand that feeds it?
LTTE is most untrustworthy as it is most rutheless. If LTTE must not only stick to its entrenched positions in its demands but also dictate terms and impose its will on the manner the talks must take place, then clearly LTTE has no desire at all to a solution through negotiation. That is what you are saying, my friend.
As I observed in another thread, Time is AGAINST LTTE. And when the time runs out sooner or later, there will be no tears for the LTTE or their supporters.
I know you are not going to accept what I am saying but say I must what I strongly feel. |
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5 Jul 2006 18:01:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdulsalaam,
do you know of any peace process, after years of war, which led to a successful solution with a few rounds of talks in a matter of months?
Do you know of any peace process which led to successful solution if one party(Govt) tried to undermine and annihilate the other (LTTE)?
Why is that your LTTE expects quick results?
Can you point to any result at all towards rehabilitation, reconstruction or an interim administration that resulted from any talk that took place between the GoSLs and LTTE but also with previous Tamil political leadership? These talks are taking place over 50 years, how many decades/years do you need for the ?results? to be arrived at? We want results and changing govts cannot be an excuse as in all the other democratic countries too govt. does change but solutions are agreed and implemented.
It was RP who saved the LTTE from annihilation by demanding the withdrawal of the IPKF
RP made his dislike of Indian intervention by boycotting the meeting of the President and the cabinet with PM Rajiv. IPKF was expelled because RP, JVP and LTTE hated them. It was the new friend Karuna who killed the policemen in the east. He was also responsible for other haste actions to frustrate the LTTE leadership. As there are rouge elements within the SF as alleged by CBK and MR, Karuna was also one within LTTE.
The reason why the talks collapsed is because RP breached on his promise of dissolution of the North-East provincial councils (which had been elected under an electoral process rigged by the so called Indian Peace Keeping Force), the holding of fresh elections and the repeal of the 6th Amendment to the Sri Lanka Constitution.
The main reason for the failures are the dishonesty of all the govts and the underhand actions to discredit or undermine LTTE.
clearly LTTE has no desire at all to a solution through negotiation.
Their IGSA and P-TOMS repudiate your claims. LTTE does not want to talk on Unitary state policy or flouting of the terms of previous agreements, for example CFA.
Time is AGAINST LTTE
People are entitled to their wishful thoughts, by the way MR tries to have talks directly with LTTE seems to suggest otherwise. Recent escalation of violence is solely attributed to the rouge elements within SLA/SLN and the newly appointed hardliners, as they started just after his election victory. It's also self-evedent from that fact that during 4 years prior to his Presidency we had relative peace.
Edited By - Sintamus - 5 Jul 2006 21:30:16 GMT |
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5 Jul 2006 20:20:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdulsalaam
ltte is so ruthless as well as not trustworthy
(remember ltte is no ones broom to sweep any ones kitchen,) there is no permanent enemy and friend in political arena. ltte is a military as well as a political force!! |
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6 Jul 2006 04:26:24 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sintamus
You are arguing for the sake of arguing. There is no point in continuing this any further.
If LTTE is going to stick to its unacceptable (ISGA for example)entrenched position, sure there will be war. It will be the people of all communities, all over the country that will suffer. When the war ends, LTTE will find itself cornered in the North. East will be lost to them with Karuna increasingly asserting control now. A war is precisely what Karuna wants because that will free him to enter the battle field with no holds barred.
Of course the GOSL and LTTE don't want war for different reasons. That is why MR is sending so many peace signals. LTTE is exploiting GOSL's aversion to full scale war and its own reluctance by carrying out a war of attrition to bleed SL. LTTE has enough resources of men and material already in place, thanks to Ranil and the CFA, to cause mayhem in the South through its war of attrition. But, SL will be forced to react at some stage and there will be full scale war.
I sincerely wish LTTE will realise its folly and the people and the country are spared large scale destruction.
Tigress, you can take this as a reply to you as well. |
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6 Jul 2006 15:37:42 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdulsalaam,
If LTTE is going to stick to its unacceptable (ISGA for example)entrenched position, sure there will be war
Your presumption itself is wrong, LTTE was prepared to talk on that ISGA but CBK sabotaged the talk that UNF has arranged by first taking over the key ministries and then dissolving the parliament. She would have waited to see what the consensus or the agreement was before dismissing UNF govt.
Now LTTE went to Geneva to talk on CFA and SLMM itself said the reason for the failure of Geneva II is that GoSL did not implement what they agreed on G I.
IC and most people are of the view that Mr Rajapakse is entrenched in his unitary structure. He embraced the most extreme policy on ethnic issue that JVP/JHU wanted his to sign on. You are also of the same view as you want LTTE to go for a talk on this policy which has demonstrated over the last 50 years that it was the root cause of destruction. As you an extremist you cannot see the wisdom of seeking a devolved power sharing that other countries have adopted as a solution for multiethnic communities to co-exist.
LTTE will find itself cornered in the North. East will be lost to them with Karuna
Isn?t it what you all want, otherwise the SLG will at least investigate properly who is behind all these killing and comply to the terms of CFA namely let the civilians return to their homes and disarm paras, EPDP and Karuna. It?s easy to disarm at least the EPDP in the North but MR will do none of them. This is a recipe for war, this volatile condition did not exist under CBK?s rule. You must think why is it that all these killings are happening immediately after MR assumed presidency.
If MR wants talk why should he offer to talk directly without the moderator and why not spell at least outline of his proposals, because nobody wants to talk on his unitary structure? The moderation was sought because we Sri Lankans could not agree on anything among ourselves.
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LTTE keeps on blundering, which shows Prabhakaran and LTTE are surely reaching their destiny of doom, due to the in-built conflict of LTTE, historically speaking.
When Indian government was a kind of trailing behind in PR when a military assistance (Radar)to SLA was made public, Bala Anna comes forward and bails out India by expressing LTTE's regret over Rajiv Gandhi murder! The Indians still can't hide their glee!
No wonder why the concerned planners are very confident on their game in SL and are counting on LTTE's moves very much. ! :) And Lately LTTE never surprises them really.
Many people hope that GoSL will take India's latest advice seriously and act politically with bold moves, unlike in late 80s when IPKF had almost finished LTTE militarily and GoSL failed to act politcally.
In moving the country from brutal and nasty civil war to being a united, plural and propserous modern state, the major blocks are a terrorist organization run by a dictator and a government who is reluctant to speed up political reforms.
GoSL needs to ralize that elimination of one of the blocks alone will not do the trick. Both blocks need to be dealt with. |
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Sintamus
You are also of the same view as you want LTTE to go for a talk on this policy which has demonstrated over the last 50 years that it was the root cause of destruction.
Have I ever said I am for a unitary state? Prove it.
As you an extremist you cannot see the wisdom of seeking a devolved power sharing that other countries have adopted as a solution for multiethnic communities to co-exist.
You are kidding! Extremists are all LTTE diehards and you are one. I oppose the LTTE like so many others. That doesn't make one an extremist.
Isn?t it what you all want,
Yes. You are right. We are waiting eagerly for the day when LTTE gets kicked out of the East. Believe me, it WILL happen when Ealam War iv begins in earnest. Wait and see.
You must think why is it that all these killings are happening immediately after MR assumed presidency.
Isn't it the LTTE that started the killings? When it backfired on the LTTE MR becomes an easy scape goat for the LTTEers but the world is not so naive to believe every LTTE propaganda. |
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