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|7 Jul 2006 20:44:16 GMT Report for Abuse
okay I am quoting the census taken in 1981. ARe you DISPUTING IT. you never ANSWERED THIS. I have no idea when YOgi said this (or whether even YOgi said this but i f he has then i am disputing it -- do you have a source.) there was VERY little Tiger presence or anything at that time.
one day in 1984 just after lunch there was an attack on a army convoy or something. Buses were all being sent to the CTB depots. a few buses were Hijacked and 'boys' (dont exactly know which movement they belonged to) told the driver and conductor to take a seat and went to all schools in jaffna. They came into the school and shut it down and put us on the buses. they made stops along the way and i got off at my stop.
the reason this was done was because if public transportaion was being pulled back all students wouldve been strandard. does it mean they controlled CTB that day. No they have effective control of a few buses to do the job.
addressing a rally at Jaffna UNI doesnt mean they have effective control of Jaffna. when IPKF left one of of the reasons the Muslims were evicted was that they left behind a group called TNA (tamil national Army which is no ENDLF) to fight the tigers. they subsequently went after TNA . they had control of certain areas but NOT the whole peninsula when the eviction happened.
in 1983 my cousins' houses were burnt. ours wasnt touched. But we still left our house for a few hrs. WHY. news spreads and one takes precaution.
when a muslim is being asked to leave in jaffna town another muslim living 10kms away will also leave. You dont have to tell him. its called precaution.
more than twice the 18k that you can live with.
i take it you misunderstood the meaning of the phrase. i said that because what i am saying and what Bonggo is saying are pretty close so i can live with that figure.
(ITS A COMMON EXPRESSION, i recall a few months back i put a common expression down and you didnt get it,.It HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH MY CONSCIENCE
here is the article ONCE more. THESE ARE NOT STUFF I PLUCKED FROM THIN AIR
I provide another authentic source to refute Jeyaraj?s baloney on Muslim numbers living in Jaffna electorate in 1990. As per the findings of the 1976 Delimitation Commission, for the 1977 general elections, Muslims accounted for 12.98 percent of Jaffna voter list of 34,865.
Source: A Statistical Survey of Elections to the Legislatures of Sri Lanka 1911-1977, by G.P.S.H.De Silva, Marga Institute, Colombo, 1979 p.186.
Please make note that the number of 13,757 Muslims were for the entire Jaffna district, and not for the Jaffna electorate. Then, how could the Muslim population have increased from 13,757 to ?28,000 Muslims? in 1990, within a mere 9 years? The only certainty is that the phenomenal 200 percent increase could occur only in the deluded mind of Jeyaraj.
Edited By - tamilcanuck - 7 Jul 2006 20:45:12 GMT
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|8 Jul 2006 08:55:26 GMT Report for Abuse
okay I am quoting the census taken in 1981. ARe you DISPUTING IT. you never ANSWERED THIS
How can I dispute the census? As I pointed out earlier, you are taking one district when the Muslims were living in all five districts ALL of whom were mercilessly expelled. But you are stubbornly sticking to just the Jaffna district. Why? Do you have any ulterior motive? If you take all five districts, there will be objecivity and absence of prejudice/preconceived ideas, reflective of a fair mind.
I have no idea when YOgi said this (or whether even YOgi said this but i f he has then i am disputing it -- do you have a source.) there was VERY little Tiger presence or anything at that time.
You are going to dispute Yogi, a Senior leader and the official spokesman for the LTTE. You, living thousands of miles away from the scene, want to dispute the official LTTE statement on a barbaric act they have committed. Man, you are something. Your stubbornness is not only incredibly unreasonable but also unbeatable.
You should know better than asking me whether I have a source because once I quoted from a source without verifying and I ended up making an open apology to all members of this Forum, barring a side issue with you. Do you really think I am about to repeat that? For your information my source is a non Muslim source and if you are going to dispute the official LTTE position, I will be wasting time giving it.
I wonder whether this whole discussion has NOT been a waste of time.
when a muslim is being asked to leave in jaffna town another muslim living 10kms away will also leave. You dont have to tell him. its called precaution
Your continuing to maintain the line that only the Muslims in Jaffna were forced out and NOT elsewhere in the North is baseless PIDIVAATHAM. You are trying to hide a Mulu Poosanikkay inside a plate of rice, in spite of Yogi. Apologies for those members not familiar with the Tamil usage I have resorted to.
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|18 Jul 2006 12:16:50 GMT Report for Abuse
|Abdul & Guru,
Finally I found the article that I promised. This should put a lid on the disputed figures (on the expelled Muslims fromfrom Jaffna etc). M.I.M. Mohideen is the most authentic in this regard. Following is his article, which was published in The Island:
Muslims need independent participation in talks
by B. M. I. M. Mohideen
At the signing of the Cease Fire Agreement - (CFA), Muslim concerns were not looked into. The Muslim community in the East is very seriously affected by the consequences of the CFA particularly by the lawless behaviour that is going on, much of it directed against the Muslim community under the cover of the ceasefire. In fact the CFA has placed the Muslim community at a disadvantage - a position which we did not suffer before the CFA.
LTTE cadres abducted Muslims, killed and burned them in the presence of the Army and Police in the Government controlled territory. This happened during the cease fire in Valachchenai on Sunday the 30th June 2002.
Erection of a new military camp during the cease fire by the LTTE right inside a Mosque in the Government controlled area in Kurangupanchan in Kinniya is another serious violation of the CFA.
The parties to the ceasefire agreement - GOSL, LTTE, the Norway facilitator and the International Donor countries should realise that even after four years of the cease fire the living condition and the security of the Muslim people in the East continue to deteriorate.
There are a number of events which are occurring in the East which directly affect the Muslim people. Muslim villages are being threatened, the Muslims have a very clear sense of insecurity and this is leading to unrest among the Muslim youths in those areas who simply cannot understand why the Government is not taking their concerns seriously. They have the feeling that they are being left to the grace and favour of the mercy of the LTTE which as we all know is a heavily armed organisation with a record of atrocities against the Muslim community.
The LTTE leader of the combat unit of the Eastern Province Karuna, speaking at a meeting in Switzerland had said that the MoU that was signed by the Government and the LTTE was prepared by the LTTE having only the interest of the Tamils in mind. Speaking further Karuna said the economy of the Eastern Province is in the hands of the Muslims and this should be changed.
At present Muslims are taxed only 5% of their incomes, it is only to keep them happy for a while but soon we must levy a tax of at least 20% from them. Karuna?s speech was broadcasted by IBC, a broadcasting station maintained with LTTE sponsorship
Elamparathi who led the LTTE ethnic cleansing of Muslims in 1990 is now back as the political chief in Jaffna. The main concern of the few Muslims who have returned to Jaffna is about their security, and lack of attention to Muslim IDPs. In 1990 nearly 18,000 Muslims lived in Jaffna in 3537 houses and 194 Government quarters, sent their children to four primary schools and two secondary schools and conducted prayers in 16 Mosques. All that have changed now by the LTTE and the present ground situation in Jaffna is quite different.
The few Muslims who have returned, mostly do pavement hawking, tailoring, run meat stalls or engage in scrap iron business. But the LTTE middlemen have now taken control of the trade and it is extremely difficult for the Muslims to survive in Jaffna. Also the Muslim returnees have found that their houses are being occupied by the Tamils authorised by the Government agent on the advice of the LTTE.
The LTTE is forcibly occupying 63,000 acres of agricultural land belonging to 14,872 Muslim families in the East. During the ethnic cleansing in 1990, LTTE chased 14,400 Muslim families from the North, unlawfully occupied 11,100 Muslim houses and robbed properties worth Rs. 5 billion from 13,682 Muslim families.
After the cease fire, the Muslims have been denied access to mosques during mass agitation promoted by the LTTE. Further, in incidents at Muttur, Kinniya, Valachchenai, Eravur, Addalachchenai and Akkaraipattu the LTTE and other Tamil militants have destroyed properties worth many millions and abducted and killed hundreds of Muslims. Muslims in the Eastern Province are the victims of the current cease-fire.
The ethnic conflict in Sri Lanka has had a terrible effect on the Muslims in the North-East. The forcible eviction of more than 100,000 Muslims, the attacks on the mosques and other places of worship, the confiscation of land and attacks on innocent civilians have caused fear and insecurity in the hearts of the Muslims. Our primary concern is the safety and security of our people, rights for our areas of historical habitation, resettlement of the displaced Muslims and power sharing on the basis of our right to internal self-determination.
A politico military strategy of the LTTE has been to weaken the economic strength of the Muslim community. In order to realise this object, the LTTE, and other Tamil militants have targeted the economic ventures and business places of the Muslims.
The pattern of attacks that have been unleashed on the Eastern Muslims clearly demonstrates that there is a deliberate plan by the Tamils to weaken the economic and political strength of the Muslims and chase them away like what they did in the North and make the North-East a mono-ethnic Tamil region in order to create the 'Tamil Eelam' one day.
Muslims should consider more seriously the present trend and take immediate steps to safeguard our legitimate rights in an appropriate manner. If proper safeguards are not secured now it would amount to be the biggest betrayal of not only the present generation but also those yet to be born in the Eastern provinces as Muslims in the future.
In the last fifty or sixty years, during which Sri Lanka mounted a Constitutional struggle, you haven?t had any Muslim voice against the aspiration of the majority people. Muslim representatives did not go before Royal Commission, nor have they gone before the International Community with accusations and sought to blacken the image of Sri Lanka government. In fact, if there is one community that could legitimately complain of being discriminated in the field of education, land alienation, colonisation safety and security which come under the purview of the state, it could be the Muslims.
Although the Muslims have not staged a war against the government of Sri Lanka for the settlement of our grievances, we are the worst affected lot in the North East conflict. The Indo-Lanka Accord, the 13th Amendment to the Constitution and the provision of the Provincial Council Act have failed to meet the legitimate and reasonable demands of the Muslims. They have failed to protect our lives and properties. They have failed to promote the socio-economic interest of our people. They have failed to recognise the different ethnic and political aspiration of the Muslims. This total disregard shown to Muslim sentiments bring to surface one truth - the government has little or no concern about the safety and security of the Muslim people in the North-East.
If this state of affairs is allowed to continue unchecked we will have another looming problem of immense magnitude - that is, the possibility of Muslim youths taking to arms and seeking support from neighbouring Muslim countries who will surely not allow their brothers and sisters here to be continuously left disregarded and even undefended. We will then have to face a situation where another dimension of our political problem will become internationalised.
Fifty-one states and 22 international organisations represented at Tokyo firmly endorsed the participation of a Muslim delegation at the talks in the context of protecting human rights for all the people affected by the armed conflict. The Government must now clearly indicate without any hesitation whatsoever that it is prepared to stand by the Tokyo Declaration, and has the political will to support that Declaration.
The Muslim community will not accept a Minister with collective cabinet responsibility to represent Muslim interests in the talks. We wish to be represented clearly and solely as an independent group on the basis of our own interests whether or not those interests converge with the interests of the Government and the LTTE. We are demanding an independent representation at all negotiations whether it is to discuss Cease Fire Agreement (CFA) or Devolution of Power.
The Muslims who are directly affected by the ongoing ethnic conflict must be able to choose the composition of our delegation and the line of representations that we wish to advance. It is a matter for the Muslim community to decide among ourselves. There should not be dictation or manipulation by other parties with regard to the composition of the delegation and the position that we might wish to take.