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Abdulsalaam
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2 Jul 2006 05:11:46 GMT Report for Abuse
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TC
Sorry, I couldn't reply your post earlier as I was having problems with my PC. Still it is not 100% sorted out. So I may be in and out until it is completely fixed.
what i am saying is that the majority left from jaffna. if Bonggo says 18K i can live with it. now as a chain reaction other muslims from the areas mentioned by you couldve left which i'm not disputing but as i said before tigers were barely controlling the jaffna peninsula.
I will give it to you straight from Yogi, the then LTTE's political spokesman. In a speech delivered at the University of Jaffna shortly after the expulsion of Muslims in October 1990, he said:
Why do those who did not worry about 70000 Tamils,now worry about 40000 Muslims expelled from the North Unlike what happened to those Tamils, we did not kill them, rape them or loot their property. We only sent them out.
I have quoted his speech in greater detail in my post under the thread 'Lessons of the Bus bombing' pg 4.
If the authoritative Yogi has confirmed 40,000 Muslims were expelled, that must be the lowest figure by any stretch of imagination whether TC or anybody else can 'live with it' or not.
Of course, as the official spokesman of the LTTE which carried out the criminal act, he must be expected to come out with a number that is not only not ridiculously low but also does NOT show the LTTE in poor light. So his figure must be necessarily understated. He has chosen to halve the real number which is around 80,000. I hope even the most ardent LTTE apologist will not find it difficult to start working from Yogi's number.
Bonggo, please read.
Also note Yogi's words We only sent them out . That is a stinging rejection of your claim that Muslims in other areas left as a chain reaction.
The very fact that Yogi was addressing the Jaffna University in Oct. 1990, is a clear proof that LTTE was in total control of Jaffna. Surely, Yogi was not going to venture openly in areas NOT under total LTTE domination.
TC, be honest and accept incontrovertible facts. You are not doing your cause any good by blindly sticking to propaganda. |
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Dracula,
Do I know You from somewhere sir?
Radaw,
Thanks. Yes, Im back.
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Abdulsalaam
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6 Jul 2006 04:30:09 GMT Report for Abuse
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I am waiting for your reponse to my last post. |
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6 Jul 2006 11:07:18 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abu,
I had a very good article from M.I.M Mohideen regarding this issue which was published in the Island few monhs back. I saved a copy of it in my PC but unfortunately it is not opening.
When I manage to get hold of it I will post it. |
Abdulsalaam
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7 Jul 2006 12:16:06 GMT Report for Abuse
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Bonggo
I remember Mohideen saying at a meeting, may be about 3 years back, that over 17,000 families were chased out from the North. I have not run into him recently. What is the number of people he has mentioned as having been forced out, if you can remember.
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How are you man? Why have you become silent when you have a post to reply? Don't you have anything to say? |
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7 Jul 2006 12:24:28 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abu,
The article said about 18,000 odd people from jaffna town. From the entire North it bwould have been 17,000 families, I am not sure.
Mohideen is an authority on these statistics of events that took place in the North & East since 1985, that was when the first Tamil-Muslim riots started. You can either contact him or Hafiz Nazeer of the Muslim Research Organisation based in Ward Place, Colombo 8. |
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7 Jul 2006 12:26:54 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdul,
sorry didnt see this until today.
What i quoted is from the actual census taken in 1981 which SSK actually used. I think Bonggo also mentioned that the figure was around the 20K mark at the highest point IIRC.
official census is my SOURCE. If you read that article i posted IT clearly states this. ARE YOU DISPUTING this. |
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7 Jul 2006 12:58:24 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARE YOU DISPUTING this.
You must be joking. Are you disputing Yogi's figure of 40,000?
You know that guy will get cross with you. I am kidding you know.
Yogi rejects not only your figure but also your reasoning that LTTE did not control even Jaffna. What have you got to say to that? |
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7 Jul 2006 16:37:31 GMT Report for Abuse
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Abdul,
if you ask the GOSL they will say they stratgically withdrew from EP!
Tigers wernt in complete control like they have in the defacto state now. when you dont have effective control its hard to police it. rememebr this was just around the time after the fighting with IPKF. truth is the first casualty of war.
So what exactly are we arguing about. I say 20K and you say 40K. doesn it really matter whether it was 20K or 40K. the reason i even quoted that source was initailly you claimed it was over 100K and i put a source down which contradicts your claim.
the bottom line is Muslims were evicted which was wrong. |
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7 Jul 2006 18:39:46 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tigers wernt in complete control like they have in the defacto state now. when you dont have effective control its hard to police it
Then explain how Yogi could have addressed a meeting in Jaffna Uni shortly after the expulsion of Muslims.
Also how Yogi could have said We only sent them out. . He is referring to Muslims of the entire North which according to him was 40,000. Would it have been possible for the LTTE to chase out the Muslims from the entire North if they didn't completely control the North?
So what exactly are we arguing about. I say 20K and you say 40K. doesn it really matter whether it was 20K or 40K.
We are arguing about truth and falsehood.
No, you say 20k, Yogi said 40k and I said around 100,000. We are ALL WRONG and you TC are way, way off the mark and do you remember how you were roaring that you were right and were laughing at me. Now you say 'it doesn't really matter whether it was 20k or 40k. Didn't you say that you will 'live with it if it is 18k'? Man, even 40k is more than twice the 18k that you can live with. How can you live with 40k then?
Can you live with it if the correct figure is say between 70 and 80 thousand? Or it won't really matter to you? You answer that first and I will show you how it could be between 70 and 80 thousand. |
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