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aj07
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2 Jun 2006 00:19:43 GMT Report for Abuse

Gaja,

Please outline the PROCESS we need to follow for peace. Please dont come with god, truth etc. I would like to see how you would convince a tamil village and singhalese village to make peace. I have outlined my steps for both parties. Please outlines your's. We dont want airy fairy ideas but practical steps that can be made towards peace and reconcilliation.

Now lets go to your statement

The finger pointing is already happening - in that Tamils are being informed / told of the 'package'.

Tamils did the same too. They informed the singhalese here you go IGSA. Take it or leave it. Infact one person even said that in this forum.

Each party to a conflict needs to outline its position. The LTTE has done that via IGSA. Now its the GOSL turn.

Then both can negotiate from there on. Whats wrong with that ? Not sure what you free thinkers want but i think majority of the sri lankans including myself will say this is a sensible approach. Or have i gone mad here.

Tamils seek 'ownership' for which they have to develop the system from zero base or carry on with faith what someone else has developed

Sorry not sure that is 'tamils'. That is you as a tamil wanting what you see fit. Majority of tamils will be happy to develop themselves from anywhere right now. We want to move forward. Ground zero well we have that. We saw 9/11 well before anyone. I am not sure most tamils will agree with you on this.

Infact we have waited long enough for GOSL and the world to develop from ground zero for us!!.

It's the difference between manufacturing and trading. I am saying manufacture and the president is saying trade.

You have the option at the negotiation table to manufacture from parts, trade parts and if your still not satisfied develop your parts from nano technology too. But both sides need to show where their STARTING point is.

I dont know about others but i am sick and tired of LTTE and GOSL using a finger pointing exercise. Now both sides need to put their proposals on the table simple as that!!.

Enough about talks about talks and going to ground zero. Lets focus on the foundation and the building now

Gaja
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2 Jun 2006 00:19:46 GMT Report for Abuse

Aj07,

You say

Peace can be achieved only one step at a time. Not in a day.

Agree. But every little step must make us feel peaceful on the inside. I am indicating to you that the Tamils do not feel peaceful by being 'told' what to do.

The President is polluting the ethnic issue with his own party level political problems. He is trying to discredit Ranil through this process and show himself up as a Nationalist. But he does not have the confidence to totally leave the Tigers out of the process on the alleged basis that they are terrorists. He gets the Foreign mercenaries to do his dirty work.

He cannot therefore deliver a successful solution towards self-governance. He can deliver a distraction on how to get others to do your dirty work while you present yourself only on the local front where you have confidence. This local level is NOT NATIONAL level because he is leaving out Ranil's work - meaning it is a political business to benefit his circles.

If Ranil is not included - then we need an intellectual solution and not a political one. The President does not have the mandate to deliver a political answer at the National level when he is acting as an elected representative and not as an Administrative / Intellectual leader.

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gaja

tamilcanuck
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2 Jun 2006 00:21:07 GMT Report for Abuse

Another damn APC. how many of these do we have to go through.

50 damn yrs and still only have a vague idea. like i said before what were the conditions when the govt agreed for a CF and peace talks in 2001. lets provide the incentive and bring back the conditions and the govt will be more than willing to talk seriously.

until then another round of APC nonsense. if this continues for a long time you guys will effectively talk us OUT of ANYTHING.

ISGA was presented and the GOVT fell.
Edited By - tamilcanuck - 2 Jun 2006 00:22:31 GMT

dayapala
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2 Jun 2006 00:23:45 GMT Report for Abuse

Aj07:

Do you see the LTTE or JVP, JHU give up their goals ?

When the IC gives a clear signal that they are 'about to lift the proscription of LTTE' (or something simlar), if a reasonable devolution package was not given, JVP and JHU would agree to a federal solution in no time.

Fate of LTTE would be determined in a different manner. However, I truely wish that we can see them as members of a federal parliment one day. In the same way as the JVP is in the parliement today, who used to be a terrorist group sometime ago.
Edited By - dayapala - 2 Jun 2006 00:27:59 GMT

Gaja
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2 Jun 2006 00:24:11 GMT Report for Abuse

Thank you aj07.

You say

We dont want airy fairy ideas but practical steps that can be made towards peace and reconcilliation.

Then you go on to say

Tamils did the same too. They informed the singhalese here you go IGSA. Take it or leave it. Infact one person even said that in this forum.

When that is done at the same time at one place - it has a zero effect in terms of authority and ownership. In other words - you practice how to take away the other person's authority.

I see two problems with this part of your solution. One is the timing if it is to compete with the IGSA. The second is the 'attitude' of revenge which leave nothing positive towards a Peace solution. The side that seeks to LEAD must do higher work than the other.

You ask

Not sure what you free thinkers want but i think majority of the sri lankans including myself will say this is a sensible approach. Or have i gone mad here.

Majority Tamils seek to PARTICIPATE in the development of the Peace Solution. That is why they demonstrated solidarity on 29 May. Due to the timing and the people involved you are returning apples for oranges. If indeed the Tamils are considered to ne a separate group outside this process - then that must be clearly stated and the outcomes they project must be RESPECTED and not ridiculed and insulted through foreign mercernaries.

You say

I am a Tamil by birth and when I genuinely want something in the cosciousness of my community - I do represent Tamils. That is also the only mandate the Tigers have to express on behalf of Tamils. The voting system through which wer are represented is an external representation of this. To get the same results out of both processes - the individual needs to translate her/his work in a language that others would understand or be the person they can identify with and / or seek to follow. The rest is based on give and receive material benefits and these must be eliminated from the path. Since it is easier for me to eliminate that in my mind and actions - I choose that path. Those who seek to 'see' and 'show' the results would resort to the external voting path.

When YOU say MAJORITY Tamils would like this is that not what you are say - MAJORITY Tamils in your mind.

You say

Infact we have waited long enough for GOSL and the world to develop from ground zero for us!!.

Speak for yourself. We on the other hand have started developing our path to self-governance and independence through every little opportunity available to us. Eventually all we need is come together from time to time when it is necessary to inform others of our solidarity.

You say

But both sides need to show where their STARTING point is.

SINCE THEY HAVE NOT, WE CONCLUDE THAT THEY HAVE BOTH FAILED. Now it is time for the people to lead them.

love
gaja
Edited By - Gaja - 2 Jun 2006 00:49:09 GMT

tamilcanuck
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2 Jun 2006 00:36:53 GMT Report for Abuse

Tamils did the same too. They informed the singhalese here you go IGSA. Take it or leave it.

nonsense. tigers have said lets negotiate startign from the ISGA becuse the GOVT didnt and still DOESNT have a plan. another damn APC called

http://www.tamilnet.com/art.html?catid=79&artid=10796

The LTTE has made no indication that they are unwilling to compromise on the proposal?s points. It would be foolhardy for the Sri Lankan government to fail to at least talk with the LTTE about the proposals.

as ther ISGA was presented CBK dissolved parliament.!

corrupt bunch of crooks run the country!

Gaja Senior Member Joined: Apr 2005 Posts: 5034 Member Profile	2 Jun 2006 00:50:34 GMT Report for Abuse
	Thank you Tamilcanuck. It confirms that we thinking alike. love gaja acca

vinivida
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2 Jun 2006 01:23:09 GMT Report for Abuse

Gaja,

I am a Tamil by birth and when I genuinely want something in the cosciousness of my community - I do represent Tamils

You cannot think only of your own community. Sorry,
no special treatment for 'Tamils' in any country. Try harder to shake off the two silly shackle balls that have tied you firmly to the ground. ...and embrace bigger, brighter, better, 'Sri Lankan' identity....And TOLERATE OTHER COMMUNITIES.

FINALLY, YOU MUST ACCEPT MAJORITY'S DECISION... LIKE YOU DO IN KANGAROO COUNTRY... a great democracy.

I don't know why a con-artist like you, corrupting the innocent minds of young folks, was released from maximum security jails in Australia.

You should have been tried in one of those kangaroo courts of LTTE to give you a taste of what innocent Tamils in the NE going through.... harassed by the LTTE dictatorship.

Young blokes... WARNING! Grandma Gaja's gaja(binna)s could be injurious to your mental health!

aj07
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2 Jun 2006 01:39:30 GMT Report for Abuse

Gaja

I am indicating to you that the Tamils do not feel peaceful by being 'told' what to do.

Who is telling us ???? Sorry i dont think you quite understand the process. The GOSL is responding to tamil pressure and IC pressure. So what are you on about ?. GOSL presents the proposal and LTTE is at liberty to say NO and get back to fighting or say hmm... kind of think there is some merit in what your proposing so lets sit and talk.

regarding the rest i will write later got to rush for a meeeting.

aj07
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2 Jun 2006 02:44:35 GMT Report for Abuse

Tamilcanuk

nonsense. tigers have said lets negotiate startign from the ISGA becuse the GOVT didnt and still DOESNT have a plan. another damn APC called

YES thats exactly what the GOSL is proposing now. They are submitting a proposal for negotiate.

But if i interpret Gaja she wants the GOSL to include LTTE from the VERY BEGINNING. Well i am saying LTTE didnt do that either.

We are unnecessarily splitting hair here. All i am saying is GOSL approach and the LTTE approach are the same. My god if this is what takes to negotiate then i wonder how we can have peace. Muttala mayir pidugara mari.
Edited By - aj07 - 2 Jun 2006 02:55:04 GMT

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