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p007
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18 May 2006 05:34:42 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sintamus
I agree not behind a Tamil name.
Good. We are making progress.
Your contention that Abdul Kalaam is a Tamil and by extension Saleem can be a Tamil but Muslim by religion is, I am sure will be opposed by Muslims as a whole as they regard themselves as a separate community. I also believe that Tamils in general have come round to accepting that the Muslims are a separate community with their own identity and aspirations. You seem to be taking the clock back.
Your argument that a Tamil marrying a Muslim girl and converting to Islam will remain loyal to the Tamil community is precisely my point because it is an open secret that the Muslims do NOT consider their interests and the interests of the Tamil community coincide and that is why they are asking for a separate delegation in peace talks. The Muslims are emphasising they are NOT Tamils and are different from Tamils. Can you and others like tamilcanuck, tigress and ajo7 now understand our concern that the Tamil Saleemtariq does NOT speak for the Muslims by hiding behind a Muslim name?
We are NOT questioning the Tamil Saleemtariq?s right to post what ever he wants as long as everybody understands that he is not speaking for the Muslims but for the Tamils. The danger is that most readers will automatically assume Saleemtariq is a Muslim expressing Muslim views. The million dollar question is why use a Muslim name to express the views of the Tamils? |
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18 May 2006 06:20:47 GMT Report for Abuse
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Here is some interesting information
Heading : E.U. may decide to list LTTE as ?terrorist? by Friday
May 18 (TW) The European Union (EU) may take a policy decision on Friday May 19th on the question of listing the LTTE as a terrorist organization said informed diplomatic sources. According to these sources the decision in B russels would most probably be that of listing the LTTE as terrorist and proscibing it among the 25 member European Union states
For more information following is the link
http://transcurrents.com/tamiliana/archives/169 |
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18 May 2006 08:17:30 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kuru,
Thanks for that link. There goes the peace process for good. I guess another minus for LTTE by staying in the peace process. This peace process probably has cost the LTTE significantly considering the ban, karuna break up, PTOMS being ignored, lack of progress on any devolution even a discussion on IGSA, no pressure from the international community pressuring the SL govt towards devolution. I guess the final nail was when the whole world turned a blind eye for the killing of civilians in North & East while they wept for attacks on armed forces etc. So I guess the tamils lost lock stock and barrel while the singhala extremist won. Which is a fact. I guess the only plus point for the LTTE was i guess this time they defeated the moderate tamil voice permenantly politically. Those of us who argued for negotiation have to admit that it was not worth the effort after all!!. On that note i have to admit i too have been defeated by the LTTE.
To everyone,
With this my interest in this forum too has come to an end. I still felt that majority of tamils and singhalese can COMPROMISE and it was the LTTE & GOSL that were preventing it. I have to humbly accept I am wrong. I respect everyone's view and I conclude with this that peace loving sri lankans are a MINORITY not a MAJORITY!!. In a democracy I guess an election pretty much says it all so from that point-of-view building a united sri lanka ended on November 17th 2005. We are a country that has always looked back and not forward. We have always looked back at our past of brutalities, crimes and have never forgiven each other to build a future but to destroy our future. The fact is we sri lankans whether its singhalese, tamils, muslims have all lost and will continue to lose for good.
Now it would be a talking shop on who killed whom, why, where and when similar to an african country. So best of luck to you all and wish you all the best to those who agreed and disagreed with me.
Thank you all for your time and patience. I enjoyed the debate too with many of you. |
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18 May 2006 08:40:20 GMT Report for Abuse
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Poo7
tamil behind the muslim name
tamils in general have come around to accepting that the muslims are a separate community with their own identity and aspirations.
yes , you are partially correct, it is the muslims who want to be known as muslims and forcing the tamils to accept as they are and i do not think for a sec ,the tamils will have problem with it. at the same time we tamils wish the tamil speaking hindus, muslims and Christians should come into one category , that is 'tamil'
if the muslims would like to remain separate , thats fine. no problem at all, but the door is always open for them, they can pop in any time as they wish.
the muslims are emphasizing they are not tamils and are different from tamils
same tune again, not all muslims feel that way , but i guess the majority of muslims feels as you said. i had a long debate in this subject with muslims in this forum along with sir ariyalai sb, uncle kula, aunty gaja, lula,tamilcanuck ,kural and of course maninder the indian.
for example, Mr.fairplay do have some connections (i guess his wife) with muslims and fluent in tamil,sinhalam and english and contribute his own views which are worth reading.
i would like to ask you to read his posting histories and tell me where do you draw the line with him.
at the end of the day , slaeem has his rights to express his views whatever it is within the guidelines. mind you , no one forcing you to contribute to this forum or you are not paying a cent to be here and no one forcing you to read any ones postings.
Edited By - tigeress19 - 18 May 2006 08:40:55 GMT |
p007
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18 May 2006 09:17:09 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tigress19
if the muslims would like to remain separate , thats fine. no problem at all, but the door is always open for them, they can pop in any time as they wish.
While it is for the Muslims to decide whether they want to use your open door, going by the unanimous and strident tone in their demand for separate delegation, it seems you are wasting time in keeping your door open.
at the end of the day , slaeem has his rights to express his views whatever it is within the guidelines.
On his rights of expression, I have made myself distinctly clear. In Sri Lanka, rights of expressions are denied only by your heroes, the two legged animals, to everyone who don?t agree with them. If you are so concerned about rights of expression, you should really have a word with that guy Prabha
no one forcing you to contribute to this forum or you are not paying a cent to be here and no one forcing you to read any ones postings.
No comments needed as I recognize this as ranting from a girl still in her teens. You will certainly grow up. |
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18 May 2006 11:40:50 GMT Report for Abuse
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| I do hope at least this time there are no corrupt deals and the SLA gets uptodate weapons which the forces can use effectively. That Daya Sandagiri will not be involved in arms procurement is a good sign. |
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18 May 2006 12:26:12 GMT Report for Abuse
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ProfeThambi
Only person who is very happy when SL government buys arms is VP. In an interview he has told his main arms supplier is successive SL governments
I have to agree with you partly. Yes, Prabha has been able to get a lot of arms from SL camps which fell to the LTTE.
Whether he will be happy when GOSL buys arms is another matter. Don't forget that it is the MBRLs that GOSL got which stopped his men in their tracks when they were so close to Jaffna. Any advanced weapons which will add extra zip to the SLA must be a great source of worry to Prabha. |
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18 May 2006 13:20:39 GMT Report for Abuse
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P007,
Saleemtariq is a Muslim expressing Muslim views. The million dollar question is why use a Muslim name to express the views of the Tamils?
If you accept that a Tamil or Sinhalese will be given a Muslim name on marrying a Muslim girl then Saleem Tariq is his name and he has a right to use his name as he pleases. I think he has more right to talk about Muslim affairs than you who have an unterior motive of dividing Tamil speaking people to fish in troubled waters.
If you are old enough or knowledgable enough you would have known that both Tamils and Tamil speaking Muslims lived together and shared political parties together. It's the transported Maradana Muslim thugs that UNP Govt. (1985) used to divide what they learnt from imperialist Britain 'divide and rule'. It's only some Muslim leaders that too on the insistance of extremists who want separate delegation in the so-called peace talks to prolong the talks so that no solution need arriving at.
They all agree their main problems are Sinhala Only and the alteration of linguistic ethnic proportions in favour of the majority community in the North and East.
Muslims and Tamils in the Federal Party agreed in those days to devolve power to Cantons similar to those in Switzerland where many different linguistic communities such as French, German, Italian share power and their standard of living is the gighest in the world. But again GoSL will not solve the problem beacuse then people will worry about their poverty and not about ethnic hatredness.
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19 May 2006 18:55:21 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sintamus
In your post, you are quoting part of a sentence totally distorting what I was trying to convey. Not done, my friend.
I cannot agree with you on whether a non-Muslim has to change his name on marrying a Muslim girl as this is dependent on Muslim law/custom/tradition. What I know from observation is that no non-Muslim can marry a Muslim woman.
As for taking up a Muslim name, again my observation is that, a non-Muslim, on converting to Islam, takes on a Muslim name. I understand that though this is the norm, there are some exceptions. What these exceptions are, I have no idea.
On the Maradana thugs let loose in the East by UNP govt. creating friction between the Muslims and Tamils, I would most certainly blame the Tamils because:
Tamils are clever people, Sinhalese are madayans and Muslims of the East were and, still probably are, backward and not capable of understanding political power play and intrigues.
The clever Tamils should have easily seen through the Sinhala madayans? plots and taken necessary action to foil the plots which would have been simple enough given that, as you claim, the Muslims and Tamils had close and friendly relationship and that the Muslims were a backward people who would have been easily won over by the Tamils.
The clever Tamils stupidly fell into the Sinhala madayans? trap and began attacking the Muslims. That is why the Muslim/Tamil relationship is where it is today ? one of hostility and deep suspicion. The clever Tamils were out-maneuvered by the Sinhala madayans.
This is 2006. A lot of water has flowed since the 1950s. We can?t bring history back. We have to find solutions based on today?s realities.
Today?s reality is not only a Muslim community that doesn?t trust the Tamils but also a Tamil community divided on the basis of Northerner and Easterner. You may argue that the Tamils are not divided but that is just wishing Karuna away.
The problem with the LTTE ers is that they spend far too much time living in the past forgetting the present. They don?t want to admit their responsibility for creating the present and keep blaming others from Tamil politicians to Sinhala extremists, GOSL, Muslims, Tamil dissidents and, finally now the International community for apparently tilting towards GOSL. Further more, they are not clever enough to understand the limitations of the gun and bombs and looking for leadership and direction from a person (a school drop out?) whose life and experience had been only bunkers and bombs.
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19 May 2006 19:01:29 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sintamus
For a community that has an abundant supply of highly qualified people exposed to workings of international affairs, diplomacy and politics, to surrender their lives and future to a bunker man for whom life is nothing but violence, is beyond belief. If the community which has so much talent and expertise to lead it towards a prosperous future for itself and its children, chooses to abdicate its responsibility and totally relies on an uneducated bunker man, what else can it do other than blame others for the miserable position it finds itself in?
A wise man said: A person can fail many times, but he is not really a failure until he starts blaming others. Food for thought for the die-hard LTTers |
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