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Ariyalai_SB
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20 Dec 2006 08:42:07 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Mucha,

Wow, yet again, you dodged the point!

I am telling you again: you quoted me out of context, just picking out a sentence out of a paragraph to score a cheap point, wow, what scholarly approach!

I still stand by both of my points that you pasted in your last post. This attempt of yours, trying to divert the attention has landed you in even deeper hole.

You are a man with a big ego; basically, you do not have the best interest of Sri Lanka at you heart, it is all about your image all along!

The point is that you are never wrong!
Edited By - Ariyalai_SB - 20 Dec 2006 08:43:10 GM
GamaRaala
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20 Dec 2006 09:33:56 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Shakti,
CC:Ariyalai_SB,

This is how Ariyalai_SB LIED, implying he has been to 'Karalla', obviously misspelling Kerala.

Have you ever been to (sic) Karalla? Do you know that people, who speak Malayalam and Thelungu, can read most of the Sinhala writing; Sinhala scripts resemble those of Malayalam and Tamil. There is a claim that a Malayali without prior knowledge in Sinhala is able to read many words from a Sinhala daily.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2005/9/3766_8.html


It is much advisable for people who have only 'O-Level Sinhala D' knowledge to quote evidence for 'Malayali/Telugu speakers who could read Sinhalese without prior knowledge', instead of showing their ignorance ;-)

If they cannot find any such Malayali speakers, they can accept that they were duped into believing such non-sensical gibberish and blame on, for example, a fanatic Krishna group.

This was a cheap lie Ariyalai_SB vomitted out in search of cheap points ;-)

So far, Ariyalai_SB had no courage to admit his lies. This must be due to the chronic insecurity feeling exists in his mind.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 20 Dec 2006 09:55:28 GMT
ThinKing
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20 Dec 2006 11:14:46 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malayalam_script
http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telugu_script
http:// en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinhala_script

I cant recognise anything really close to Sinhala script in malayalam except for 'ga', 'ssha' and maybe 'ka' from the charts in the link above.

But again if it's possible to recognise anything similar it shouldn't be a problem 'cos both are based on Brahmi script.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brahmi_Chart.jpg

BTW Can anyone explain why only Sinhalese and Tamil got 2 roots in the chart above?

Maybe thats where the problem is ;)
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20 Dec 2006 11:23:51 GMT  Report for Abuse   
ThinKing,

There is another chart in Wikipedia that depicts the relationship of Indian and Sinhalese script in a different manner.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brahmi_mal1.gif


The diagram you posted depicts the Sinhalese script having a relation to 'paaLi'. However, there is nothing called 'Paali' script. Paali language does not have its own script.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 20 Dec 2006 11:40:23 GMT
ThinKing
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20 Dec 2006 11:35:21 GMT  Report for Abuse   
GamaRaala,
There is another chart in Wikipedia that depicts the relationship of Indian and Sinhalese script.


interesting mate, in that particular chat ofcourse Telugu and Kannada letters are almost the same and Tamil Malayalam letters also quite close. Sinhala letter doesn't look simmilar to either(atleast directly)

But again I'm no expert in linguistics :)
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20 Dec 2006 11:48:23 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Gamarala/ThinhKing,

Please do not depend on wikepedia for reliable information as it is a source that can be edited/fed-in by anyone.

The information given in :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Brahmi_mal1.gif


is totally wrong as the early Tamil vattezuththu of the 5-6th century for 'na' is different from what is reflected there.

This is proved by the 'SITTANNAVASAL' inscription dated 5th c.a. which had been read as 'Cirucennan'.

Source: Early Tamil Epigraphy
by
Iravatham Mahadevan

Furthermore, there is inadequate information on how the contemperory Sinhala alphabet was derived form the 3rd century Southern Brahmi.

There is a major gap in the study of the evolution of the Sinhala script from the Southern Brahmi to the present or the early sinhala script. Someone has to compare these letters with the Sigiriya inscriptions which are known to be the earliest Sinhala scripts.

Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 20 Dec 2006 11:53:02 GMT
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20 Dec 2006 11:58:17 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Kula,

I guess anyone who is familiar with Wikipedia uses it a tool, not an authoritative source.

ThinKing,

The URL below has a sample passage in Malayali script.
http://www.omniglot.com/writing/malayalam.htm
(Scroll down to 'Sample text').


What Ariyalai_SB is saying is, those who could read this Malayali script could also read Sinhalese because of their 'resemblance'! ;-)

Now, you can try reading the 'sample text' and assess Ariyalai_SB's claim on the 'resemblance' ;-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 20 Dec 2006 12:02:59 GMT
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20 Dec 2006 12:11:30 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Kula,
Please do not depend on wikepedia for reliable information as it is a source that can be edited/fed-in by anyone.


Totally agree, and as GamaRaala said it's just a tool, and again we just compared the modern version of the 'na' in 5 languages in that chart(not the 5-6 century). Is the modern Tamil 'na' is correctly depicted in that chart? Sinhalese letter is ofcourse written properly.

Yes as you said the article about Sinhala script/language in wiki is nothing compared to the articles about Tamil, Telugu..etc and some one should expand it, but sadly I have no expertise in this subject. Just an interest.

As far as I know it's not a gap in study about the development of Sinhala Language but probably an issue of not having it in the internet/wiki.

Are you sure the earliest written samples of Sinhala is in Siiriya? I'm asking 'cos I do not know!
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20 Dec 2006 12:25:01 GMT  Report for Abuse   
ThinKing,

Is the modern Tamil 'na' is correctly depicted in that chart? Sinhalese letter is ofcourse written properly.


Modern Tamil script?? Yes.

However, the intermediate scripts are wrongly represented particularly between the 3rd and the 13th century.

Are you sure the earliest written samples of Sinhala is in Siiriya? I'm asking 'cos I do not know!


From the discussions I had with the number of Archelogical Professors, it appears that it is in the Sigiriya inscriptions that Sinhala scripts is known to have apperaed first.

I have not come across any authoritative study on Sinhala epigraphy so far. I personally suspect that there must be an intermediary steps in the development of Sinhala scripts. Even though I haven't got enough evidence to prove, I firmly belive that there is a certain amount of 'vattezuththu' or the Grantha script influence in the developement of the Sinhala script in the 3-5th c.a. period.

Kasiyapa being a son of a Pallava Princess, it is a possiblilty that he brought this developement to Sri Lanka. But we need more reaserach to prove that!

Kula
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20 Dec 2006 12:25:09 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Http://www.lankalibrary.com/books/sinhala_history.htm

The earliest examples of Sinhala writing are contained in the inscriptions. Prof. Geiger classes the language of the 2nd Century BCE up to the 5th Century CE. as the Prakrit age, basing his evidence on the inscriptions. Vowel endings characterise the language.
(i) upasaka asaha lene
(ii) taladara nagaha puta devaha lene agana anagata catudisa sagasa
(Epigraphia Zeylanica)
The names and donors of caves are referred to here. The inscriptions increase in number with the progress of time.

A later inscription said to have been made by Queen Uttiya (207 - 197 BCE) reads as follows:

damarakita terasa agata anagata catudisa
sagasa anikata sona pitaha bariya
upasita tisaya lene

(Cave of Tissā Anikata Sona's father's wife (gifted) to Thera Dhammarakkhita (and) to Sangha who have come or will come from the four quarters)

In this inscription the similarity to the later (even modern) Sinhala is quite evident.


I think Sigiriya is around 900CE
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