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Hindus set to convert to Buddhism
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Mucha-linda
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12 Dec 2006 04:12:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB, GAMAYA, LULA et al,
I have become quite busy with my livelihood during the last few days, and this *unfortunate* situation seems to continue at least for few more days. Pardon me if I have not responded to any of the postings you have made since page 65.
Cheers.
-Muchalinda
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Shakti
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12 Dec 2006 07:25:15 GMT Report for Abuse
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LuLa,
Have you ever observed this phenomenon?
1) Two avatars appear on exactly the same threads. (One avatar never appears in a thread alone.)
2) Both avatars use very similar language.
3) When one avatar gets busy with work, the other avatar gets busy with his work too. When one avatar goes on vacation, the other avatar too accompanies...
I have noticed this so many times before....
Strange. Isn't it?
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KURAL
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12 Dec 2006 12:16:40 GMT Report for Abuse
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Shelley,
Because they are not so friendly as you thought ! Please go to read this thread
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news%5C2006%5C12%5C10357_image_headline.html
You will understand that Sinhala Buddhists are NOT more friendly than other people !
Just read ! You will understand how much someone are EGOISTS, and SELFISH ! They say that only their religion is better than other !
So i think you have to open your eyes !
Anyway i ALWAYS suspect you to be a cheating SINHALA !
Thanks !
Edited By - KURAL - 12 Dec 2006 12:17:27 GMT |
KURAL
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12 Dec 2006 12:24:42 GMT Report for Abuse
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Greyfox,
LOL !
It's nonsense ! A joke !
After what you pasted, Sinhala language should be older than Tamil ! What is for me funny !
Tamil have the second oldest GRAMMAR of this world, after Sanskrit.
And Sinhala grammar is more recent than the Tamil one.
So you can now guess yourself the conclusion rather than blindly copy and paste ! |
Ariyalai_SB
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12 Dec 2006 12:30:11 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha,
I feel for your predicament; one has to know as to what one's priorities are.
I am in no hurry; I will wait for your admission that you knowingly misled the audience to prove a point!
Hope the situation will improve soon. |
LuLa
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12 Dec 2006 13:51:36 GMT Report for Abuse
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Saervek,
Since I am going on a vacation, I will not be able to continue this discussion for a month.
You asked me what my religion is. Unfortunately or Fortunately, I do not have one, but I have a common general knowledge about all the religions practiced in Sri Lanka.
Right at the beginning you said to tigress,
Buddhism is well established, and accepted as a true world religion throughout academic and social circles the world over. It is this acknowledgment and acceptance that the Hindus are attempting to steal for themselves, by publicizing that Buddhism is a part of Hinduism, which is a complete falsification.
First of all I asked you, if Buddhism is a true world religion and if the Hindus are attempting to steal it for themselves, then why the hell is that the Buddhists in Sri Lanka are worshipping the Hindu Gods at Katharagama, Muneshwarram and having a Devalae/Kovil with Hindu Gods at almost all the Buddhist temples including the Dalada Maligawa.
Who is stealing here, the Hindus or the Buddhists?
When I took a small part from the scriptures of the so called true world religion, which is believed to have been told by the Buddha himself, you are calling it 'Buddhist Mythology'.
Are You saying that, all what Buddha preached about his 550 rebirths as Bodhisattva is not true.
I am NOT a Buddhist. In your above post, You seem to be confused with what I personally believe and what the Buddhists believe.
What I personally believe is:
The Buddha told Jathaka tales as moral stories for people to understand what he preached in a simple manner, it is something similar to Aesop fables, or Pancha Tantra or Parables. My common sense tells me that these are nothing but fairy tales.
What the Buddhists believe is:
Buddha himself told the Jathaka stories about his 550 previous lives as a Bodhisathva.
The Buddhist scriptures what the Theravada Buddhists follow is the Tripitika. According to you, I am a non-Buddhist and therefore I may not understand the scriptures but as a Buddhist, can you identify by reading the Tripitika, which part of it is the Buddha Vachana?
Also, can you tell me why the Buddhist priests who preach, do not tell the laypersons to follow only the Buddha Vachana and discard the others found in the Tripitika?
Leave what I personally believe and what the rest of the universe believes and tell me what you believe. If you are saying that a part of the Tripitika is NOT the Buddha Vachana, then which Buddhist scriptures do you believe to come to a conclusion that Buddhism is a true world religion?
I am sorry, I will not be able to continue any further, since I am traveling.
Edited By - LuLa - 12 Dec 2006 13:59:15 GMT |
KURAL
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12 Dec 2006 14:39:18 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula friend,
Don't waste your time with this guy who himself claim to be a Buddhist but don't really know the base of his religion..
You are uselessly spending your time.. |
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12 Dec 2006 15:08:21 GMT Report for Abuse
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LuLa,
I have already defined (above, in a previous post) the meaning of 'true world religion'. It is not a point of doctrinal superiority or any such thing, rather the fact that like Christianity, Islam, and even Atheism, Buddhism encompasses a wide range of nationalities and ethnicities. This is not true of Hinduism, which rather like the Chinese Indigenous Religions is more regional in outlook, i.e. Hinduism for example has a primarily Indic base. If Hinduism on the other hand could 'acquire' Buddhism it would also become a truly global religion. Kindly view the post in the manner it is intended.
I am NOT a Buddhist. In your above post, You seem to be confused with what I personally believe and what the Buddhists believe.
I do not know where this came from, at no point have I called you a Buddhist or believed such. Your first post rather excluded the possibility.
The general definition of Buddhist mythology are things such as the gods, the Jataka Katha, demons etc. They are not required in any way for the Buddhist to achieve Nibbana. Many of them, and the devales to boot likely are derived from Hindu sources. However, you will notice that in the Sri Lankan case, this is as much due to South Indian cultural influence and the presence of a number of Kings of South Indian origin/South Indian Queens as anything else. In other parts of the Buddhist spectrum (world religion again) such thought is not always present.
Most Buddhists do not believe that the Jataka Katha are Buddha Vachana. I have told you already why it is not regarded as such. Obfuscation is not going to help you.
...laypersons to follow only the Buddha Vachana and discard the others found in the Tripitika?
The answer is given by the Buddha himself, who stated that at no point should you believe something (including his Dharma) without at least having though about it yourself, ergo no monk need say something, when it is defined by the Head of the Religion. The whole Tripitika is not defined as Buddha Vachana for the reasons I have already stated above. You are obfuscating again. The true Buddha Vachana is that which allows you to attain Nibbana. This essentially is what the Buddha defined himself. That is the core of Buddhism, the rest of it like the gods and the Jataka Katha are much like the wrapping on a present.
As a general rule, I really couldn't care less as to what the Hindus do, that's between them and their god. Here however what they've done is the claim the head of a religion, claim the adherents of that religion as well, and dismiss the teachings of that religious master as being to 'confuse the devils'. It's rather akin to my saying that because Jesus preaches kindness and compassion he stole it all off the Buddha, and therefore that all Christians are actually Buddhists, and that Jesus's other stuff about god was just to confuse Satan. It doesn't stand up to the facts.
Anyway, in conclusion, enjoy your trip, and have a safe journey. |
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12 Dec 2006 16:11:03 GMT Report for Abuse
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It also concludes that the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa had dental traits resembling Sinhalese much more closely than Tamils or other Dravidian speaking populations. This statement alone is making a huge mistake by equating language with physical characteristics. The Harappan civilisation was not homogeneous and was one of many different human physical types and ethnic groups, claiming that they mainly resemble the Sinhalese (an ethnic group that evolved thousands of years after the Harappan civilisation from various populations groups from Lanka, East and South India) is tenuous at best. I very much doubt the thesis actually says this statement. Clearly a multi-disiplinary approach to this subject must be carried out taking into account all the latest techniques in archaeology, genetics and anthropology - rather than just concentrating solely on a small sample of dental traits.
Edited By - Muru - 12 Dec 2006 16:11:53 GMT |
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12 Dec 2006 16:22:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kural mate..
LOL !
It's nonsense ! A joke !
After what you pasted, Sinhala language should be older than Tamil ! What is for me funny !
Tamil have the second oldest GRAMMAR of this world, after Sanskrit
And Sinhala grammar is more recent than the Tamil one.
So you can now guess yourself the conclusion rather than blindly copy and paste !
Your totally missing the point revealed in this very insightful piece of research..
The sinhala language as we know it today evolved a lot later than the tamil script I don't think anyone refutes that .. however what this new evidence does is explode the myth that has been propagated by certain politically motivated historians.. which is:
''Dravidians established the island's megalithic culture, and the Pomparippu site reveals Dravidian contacts on the island before the arrival of vijay''
And
''the inhabitants of the Indus Valley Civilisation of Harappa were Dravidian''
What this new evidence shows is that the people at the pomparippu site were NOT Dravidian.. who ever these people were, the current sinhala people - who happen to be a mixture of various ethinic groups - have their genes. Further more the sinhala people are more closely related this group of people than the current sri lankan tamil people.
I suggest you read the research findings of Dr. Diane Hawkey and Dr. Siran Deraniyagala before critiquing it..
Edited By - Nightfox78 - 12 Dec 2006 16:34:57 GMT |
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