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LuLa
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6 Dec 2006 18:39:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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Pera,
The Sinhala race never existed before the 13th CAD, but Arisen Ahaubudu says that ALL languages in the world are derived from Sinhala and once the whole world was ruled by the Sinhalese king Tharaka.(refer Shakti, 2 Dec 2006 07:46:37 GMT).
So, if you read Arisen Ahaubudu, Darwin, and Ven. Mahanama's Mahavamsaya, it is safe to add two more lines:
People evolve from monkeys (as per Darwin)
Monkeys evolve from Tamils (as per Pera)
Tamils evolve from Sinhalese (as per Arisen Ahaubudu)
Sinhalese evolve from a big wild cat-the Lion (as per Ven. Mahanama).
Heeyak-Puh! (Copyright Vinnie Hettigoda says Pera).
Enjoy,
Lula
BTW: I really feel sorry for those poor misguided medicos.
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6 Dec 2006 19:34:11 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB,
..heh..heh..provided that those *many participents* are none other than people like ARIYALAI_SB, LULA, EELAVAR, TIGRESS19, SHAN, NALEEN, KANTHUN etc. Mister, I cannot help if any of those *many participents* cannot come up with a solid arument that can leave me dumb-founded, thus making what they said the last word.
Other than the above mentioned names, the only others who had lengthy debates with Moda-Linda and Moda-Raala are Kula and Magha. If you refer those arguments, they also have the same opinion.
If you go back and have a look at how my debate ended with them,
1. Even after giving enough details and also the source from which they can obtain more information (including where and how to get it), they are asking us (me, Muru and Kula) to download a book containing 400 odd pages including colored photos showing evidence (How silly).
2. Even after telling them more than 101 times that King Devanampiya Tissa was NOT a Tamil, they kept on repeating the same argument over and over and over without moving forward.
The readers can easily judge the level of debating skills they posses. As Shakthi correctly pointed out, in the end, these two and NOT the readers decide who are the losers ('Panadura-waadaya' system).
My dear ARIYALAI_SB,
As most of the above mentioned participants advised me, I am telling you,
PLEASE DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME. IF YOU CONTINUE ARGUING WITH THEM, OTHERS WILL START QUESTIONING YOUR OWN SANITY.
If you cannot avoid/ignore them, then start practicing my yoga laugh.
Warm wishes,
Lula |
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6 Dec 2006 19:39:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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Aiyalai_SB,
Ariyalai_SB admitted on 7 Oct 2005 21:56:05.
The Tamils of Sri Lankan do not dispute that their ancestors originated from India
Now, Ariyalai_SB dances to a different tune;
The Tamils are minorities, but they are native minorities,
Ariyalai_SB, you already conceded that ancestors of Tamils ORIGINATED in India. If cultural ancestors of Tamils originated in India, then Tamils are native to India, not to its neighboring country or other countries they later migrated to. Heeyak Puh!
But, the Raala fellow is a complete fool; I have no time for him whatsoever!
Ariyalai_SB runs out of time, when his cheap lies about Malayalis who could supposedly read Sinhalese newspapers are exposed ;-)
Are these lies a creation of chronic insecurity exists in Ariyalai_SB's mind?
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6 Dec 2006 19:50:42 GMT Report for Abuse
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LULA,
1. Even after giving enough details and also the source from which they can obtain more information (including where and how to get it), they are asking us (me, Muru and Kula) to download a book containing 400 odd pages including colored photos showing evidence (How silly).
LULA, you FAILED to take up Mucha's challenge and unload the so called 'new evidences' said to have emerged last four decaded from the $14 truckload. Duka thamai.
When you have no evidence to counter, your last solace is to say, 'that is in the book, but LULA does not bring them up here' ;-)
2. Even after telling them more than 101 times that King Devanampiya Tissa was NOT a Tamil, they kept on repeating the same argument over and over and over without moving forward.
After asking 101 times why you distorted 'Devanmpiya' to 'Theva Nambiya' and 'Tissa' to 'Theesan', you finally had no where to go, so had to concede it was merely 'pronunciation guide' cooked up by you to assisit Tigress!
LULA, how nonsensical it is to cook-up a Tamil name first, and then exclaim the very name you cooked up has a Tamil meaning? Even more nonsensical was to include your cooked-up Tamil pronunciation guide to Mucha -- for what?? ;-)
As I already pointed out, LULA can follow the same approach and distort 'Ameer Lincoln' to 'Amirthalingam' and exclaim the distorted version has a clear Tamil meaning! LULA, what non-sense is this? ;-)
Even KULA abandoned your 'Theva Nambiya Theesa/ Theva Nambiya Ashokan' :-)
LULA, readers also remember how you contradicted yourself by claiming 'Demada', mentioned in Mahawansha, were a native ethinc. Mahawansha specifically says 'Demada Elara came from Chola country'. You so far FAILED to counter this evidence. Duka Thamai ;-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 6 Dec 2006 20:08:21 GMT |
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6 Dec 2006 20:10:18 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gama,
LULA, you FAILED to take up Mucha challenge and unload the so called 'new evidences' said to have emerged last four decaded from the $14 truckload. Duka thamai. When you have no evidence to counter, your last solace is to say, 'that is in the book, but LULA does not bring them up'
Please read Prof. Indrapala?s latest book, ?The Evolution of an ETHNIC IDENTITY, The Tamils IN SRI LANKA FROM C.300 BCE to C.1200 CE? available at the Lake house book shop or at the Wijitha Yapa book shop. You can also order thro' the web at http://www.srilankanbooks.com/preview.php3?ID=22601. (Its only SL Rupees 1400).
With that, all your Duka will end (or it may begin).
After asking 101 times why you distorted 'Devanmpiya' to 'Theva Nambiya' and 'Tissa' to 'Theesan', you finally had no where to go, so had to concede it was merely 'pronunciation guide' cooked up by you to assisit Tigress!
Even KULA abandoned your 'Theva Nambiya Theesa/ Theva Nambiya Ashokan'
Even if you ask 1001 times, my answer is the same. The Tamil version of Devanampiya Tissa is Thevanambia Theesan. As simple as that. I have also given you a list of ancient name with clear Tamil meanings.
LULA, readers also remember how you contradicted yourself by claiming 'Demada', mentioned in Mahawansha, were a native ethinc. Mahawansha specifically says 'Demada Elara came from Chola country'. You so far FAILED to counter this evidence. Duka Thamai
Please read Prof. Indrapala?s latest book, ?The Evolution of an ETHNIC IDENTITY, The Tamils IN SRI LANKA FROM C.300 BCE to C.1200 CE? available at the Lake house book shop or at the Wijitha Yapa book shop. You can also order thro' the web at http://www.srilankanbooks.com/preview.php3?ID=22601. (Its only SL Rupees 1400).
With that, all your Duka will end (or it may begin).
Since I could not avoid/ignore you one more time,
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, He, he, he, he, he, Hu, hu, hu, hu, hu, Hooo, hoo, ho, ho, ho.
Good luck,
Lula |
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6 Dec 2006 20:19:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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LULA,
Even if you ask 1001 times, my answer is the same. The Tamil version of Devanampiya Tissa is Thevanambia Theesan.
Lula, this Tamil version is something Eelamists cooked up to convey a Tamil meaning. So, how nonsensical, like you have done, to exclaim the distorted Tamil version has a Tamil meaning! :-)
I have also given you a list of ancient name with clear Tamil meanings.
LULA can follow the same approach and distort 'Ameer Lincoln' to 'Amirthalingam' and exclaim the distorted version has a clear Tamil meaning! LULA, what non-sense is this? ;-)
Please read Prof. Indrapala's latest book,.....
LULA once again being unable to find evidence to counter, ''Demada Elara came from Chola country'.', resorts to his hiding place. Mister, now it is obvious that you could not find any evidence from the $14 truckload to counter the above. ;-)
LULA, no Tamil Ealmist ever was able to counter the evidence for 'Demada' in Pali Chronicles referring to Indian Invaders. Duka Thamai Lula.
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, He, he, he, he, he, Hu, hu, hu, hu, hu, Hooo, hoo, ho, ho, ho.
Readers are familiar with LULA's death cry ;-)
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| Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, He, he, he, he, he, Hu, hu, hu, hu, hu, Hooo, hoo, ho, ho, ho. |
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6 Dec 2006 21:08:30 GMT Report for Abuse
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For the LTTE Tamils here, who claim that Tamils were buddhists in Lanka, and that some Tamil Kingdoms in Nadu used to be Buddhist at some point in history, are wrong.
These people tend to point to the fact that the ancient Tamil temples in Nadu have small buddha statues in them, and thereby claim that Tamils were buddhist at one point and therefore are no different from ancient sinhalese. (wrong again)
The truth is that yes those temples did have small Buddha statues, but this is not because the Tamil masses were buddhist at some point.
You see, in hinduism the buddha is considered the 9th avatar of God Vishnu. This is why small buddha statues are sometimes present in ancient Tamil temples. These were hindu temples. They were hindus and not buddhist.
The Sinhalese on the other hand were Buddhist and always had a Buddhist kingdom. Even though some groups in history always attempted to change that, and tried erase the sinhala identity many times. Fortunately they failed as the Buddhist sinhalese are still standing. |
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6 Dec 2006 21:29:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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Greyfox please do not chat rubbish. Buddhism is a world religion - anyone can be a Buddhist including Tamils. The Sinhalese never created Buddhism.
http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/7752_1703351,004100180006.htm |
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6 Dec 2006 21:38:34 GMT Report for Abuse
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Greyfox the oily boy,
The Tamil Buddhists who followed Theravada Buddhism shared the common places of worship with the Sinhalese but there were also Tamil Buddhists who were following the Mahayana Buddhism and they had there own Mahayana temples.
There are still some Tamil Mahayana Buddhist establishments (Palli) in the east and possibly in the Jaffna peninsula. The best known was Velgam Vehera, which was renamed Rajaraja-perumpalli after the Cola emperor. Another was the Vikkirama-calamekan-perumpalli.
During the period from 3rd CAD to 6th CAD, Buddhism had spread widely in Tamil Nadu and won the patronage of rulers there.
The major urban centers of Kanchi, Kaveripattinam, Uraiyur, and Madurai were centers of Buddhism and Jainism. These were also important centers of Pali learning.
It was at this time that Tamil Nadu gave some of its greatest scholars (both Theravada and Mahayana) to the Buddhist world.
Three of the greatest Pali scholars of this period were Buddhaghosa, Buddhadatta, and Dhammapala and all three of them were associated with Buddhist establishments in the Tamil kingdoms. Two of them, Buddhadatta, and Dhammapala were Tamils. The third and the most celebrated, Buddhaghosa is one about whom reliable biographical details are not available but a large number of Pali works are attributed to him.
Buddhadatta was a senior contemporary of Buddhaghosa. He was born in the Cola kingdom and lived in the 5th CAD. Among his best known Pali writings are the VINAYA-VINICCHAYA, the UTTARA-VINICCHAYA and the JINALANKARA-KAVYA. Among the commentaries written by him are the MADHURATTHA-VILASINI and the ABHIDHAMMAVATARA. The author of NETTIPAKARANA is another Dhammapala who was a resident of a monastery in Nagapattinam.
One more example is the Cola monk Kassapa, in his Pali work, VIMATTI-VINODANI, this Tamil monk provides interesting information about the rise of heretical views in the Cola Sangha and the consequent purification that took place.
There are so many other Tamil monks who are attributed to the Pali works, some of them were resident at Mayura-rupa-pattana (Mylapore, Madras) along with Buddhagosha. The well known Tamil Buddhist epics on the other hand were MANIMEKALAI and KUNDALAKESI.
It is a well-known fact that even Tamil Buddhist monks of South India used Prakrit or Pali languages in preference to Tamil in their writings. This is because the Buddha spoke in Prakrit which was considered to be the sacred language of the Buddhists.
As Buddhism was one of the dominant religion in both Tamil Nadu and Sri Lanka, naturally there were very close relations between the two regions. The monks from Sri Lanka too, went across to the Tamil kingdom and stayed in the monastries.
As Dr. Leslie Gunawardana says, ?The co-operation between the Buddhist Sangha of South India and Sri Lanka produced important results which are evident in the Pali works of this period?. He also says that the Tamil Buddhist monks were more orthodox than their counterparts in Sri Lanka.
Indeed, the relations between the Tamil and Sinhala Buddhist monks were so close that the latter sought the assistance of the former in political turmoil.
The situation in Tamil Nadu, however, began to change towards the beginning of the 7th CAD when the rise of Vaishnavism and Saivism posed a serious challenge to Buddhism and Jainism. There was a significant increase in Brahmanical influence and soon the worship of Siva and Visnu began to gain prominence.
The Buddhist and Jaina institutions in Tamil Nadu came under attack when they began to loose popular support and the patronage from the rulers. One result of this was the migration of Buddhist and Jaina monks and devoted lay members to kingdoms where they could find refuge. While the Jainas were able to go to Kannada and Telugu regions, the Buddhists turned to Sri Lanka.
Anthropologist Obeyesekera makes a strong case for Buddhist migrations from South India as a consequence of the Saiva-Vaishnava movement.
The hinduism followed by North Indians (not Saivisim) consider the Buddha as the 9th avatar of God Vishnu (the 8th was Krishna and the 10th, Kalki has not appeared yet).
You seem to be an infant when it comes to understanding all these. If you visit this thread after 10 years, you may be able to grasp something.
Edited By - LuLa - 6 Dec 2006 21:56:04 GMT |
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