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GamaRaala
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30 Nov 2006 00:13:47 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Lula,

CAN YOU TELL ME WHERE AND WHEN DID I MENTION THAT Devanampiya Tissa aka Thevanambiya Thesan WAS A TAMIL?

Since there is nothing new to discuss other than the old rotten stuff such as Thevanambiya Thesan (whom I have clearly stated as a king from the Sinhala dynasty)


1. Lula, why did you declare 'Theva Nambiya Theesan' has a clear Tamil meaning, in the first place? What purpose does it serve? What was the REASON you brought that into discussion? You so far FAILED to explain this.

2. Morever, you so far FAILED to qutoe the historical source you extracted 'Theva Nambiya Theesan'. Was it 'lie' you invented, just to make you feel good? :-) :-)

From 1965 to 2005 is a very long period (40 years). I prefer to discuss with people who have updated their knowledge.

Mister, you so far FAILED to quote what those new evidences that is said to have emerged during the last 4 DECADES, that changed your/Indrapala's view. You were CHALLENGED to put forward the evidence, and you did not have anything to come up with :-)

Lula, at least invent some lies, just like your 'Theva Nambiya Theesan' :-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 30 Nov 2006 00:39:07 GMT
Mucha-linda
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30 Nov 2006 00:26:40 GMT  Report for Abuse   
LULA and READERS,

Since there is nothing new to discuss other than the old rotten stuff such as Thevanambiya Thesan (whom I have clearly stated as a king from the Sinhala dynasty), it is a total waste of time arguing with someone whose knowledge is stagnating (4 decades behind)


Mister, dont run around the bush. The issue here is not if you have declared that T.N Theesan (aka Devanampiya Thissa) is a Tamil. YES, WE ALL KNOW (AND HEREBY AGAIN AGREE) THAT YOU HAVE NOWHERE MENTIONED THAT HE IS A TAMIL. But mister, this is not the ISSUE. And do not try to close widely opened challenges. I have asked you a very specific question. Why on earth it occurred to your INNOCENT MIND that Theva Nambiya Theesan sounds quite Tamil, just seeing the name Devanampiya Thissa. Is this a HABIT or should we take this as another YOGA exercise. Don?t make anymore *Gon Jokes*. Answer the question.

Do you always feel like finding similar sounding Tamil names whenever you come across a new name. When you saw the name Schroedinger (a name came up in a previous post) did you feel like saying someone that Shanmugan has a real meaning in Tamil? Thomas Young sounds quite like Thondaman, isn?t it?

Thanks GOD(!), we are not Javanese.

-Muchalinda

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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 30 Nov 2006 00:37:06 GM
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30 Nov 2006 00:28:28 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Let those two gon raalas live in their own fool's paradise.


SHAKTI,

Yes, the Gon Raalas will live in their own fools' paradise.

However that *Dha-yanna* in the Vallipuram Gold Plate Inscription will remain UNREADABLE to the Erudite Sinhala ANAlyst who also had a Distinction for his OL Sinhala exam.

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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 30 Nov 2006 00:28:57 GM
GamaRaala
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30 Nov 2006 00:29:45 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Muru,

Your response gives away the typical Eelamist SELF-CONTRADICTING mentality.

Elara was an INAVDER from INDIA; Dutu Gemunu was a native King from Sri Lanka.
Yet, you accuse Dutu Gemunu for doing what? Chasing away ELARA the INVADER! :-)

In one hand, you claim SL Tamils are natives of Sri Lanka. On other hand, you line up yourself along side the INVADER Elara. That is the self-contradiction of yours. :-)

If SL Tamils are native Sri Lankans, why the HELL do they accuse the native King Dutu Gemunu of chasing away the INVADER Elara came from India? :-) :-)

Elara was an Invader from India in the same way the Portuguese, Dutch and the British were Invaders from Europe. It was the DUTY of Native Kings to chase away these invaders.

People like MURU are classic examples of Eelamists, who self-contradictingly, align themselves with the INVADERS against the Native Sri Lankan Kings :-) :-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 30 Nov 2006 00:35:36 GMT
Mucha-linda
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30 Nov 2006 00:31:12 GMT  Report for Abuse   
MURU,

YES, as said,

SL Tamils have been living as SL Tamils for approximately a millenium in the North-East, therefore they feel they should be able to have the right to carry on living like that for the forseeable future. In the centuries before the colonials came, the Sinhala masses had no problem with that whatsover. There is no evidence whatsoever of any enmity between the Tamils and the Sinhalas. When a Sinhala king ruled Tamil areas like in the east, he let the Tamils live the way they want and never threatened their distinct identity and existence. Now that is all changed.


I vehemently oppose every sentence, every coma, every period in the above paragraph, for rock solid reasons. However, I am not in a situation to revisit all my archived posts to give you specific links as such. If you ever think that I am running away from the argument, by all means DO SO. I am not afraid about that because all those would be again re-established by us in future discussions (you are invited to contest their solidity).

Let me briefly reply to one last thing you mentioned.

GAMAYA said: King Dutu Gemunu explained that his war against Chola invader Elara was to protect the Buddha-Sasanaya (Sinhalese Buddhist culture) in Sri Lanka.


You replied: NO that is NOT true. Dutugaemnu wanted to rule, just like any other aspirant for the throne. You are so blinded by your chauvinsm that you create myths. Tell me, what did the Buddhist Sangha think about their treatment at the hands of Elara? Elara patronised Buddhism in SL so much so that the Sangha had nothing but praise for him in the chronicles. They could not believe that a heathen could be so benevolent to the Buddhists. This is similar to the later Nayaker rule in Kandy. The Sinhala people had no hate whatsoever for Elara, and it can not be called a war of liberation.


MURU, what *Chauvinist Gamaya* said is not a myth created by him, but a fact reported in the very chronicle which also carries the only evidence to the very existence of King Elara.

This is from Mahavansa (Geiger translation).

*Not for the joy of sovereignty is this toil of mine, my striving (has been) ever to establish the doctrine of the Sambuddha.* (Ch XXV)


And MURU, it is completely wrong to say that Elara patronized Buddhism. Of course, he might not have threatened Buddhism in the same way his successors from South India did. However, it is nowhere recorded that he patronized it. Elara, at best, is a JUST ruler, but never a Buddhist.

This is also from Mahavansa,

When the king (i.e. Elara), who was a protector of tradition, albeit he knew NOT the peerless virtues of the most precious of the three gems(Ch XXI, Emphasis added)


MURU, the vital fact you are missing here is being JUST or protecting the Tradition is not going to make anyone a non-invader. No matter how JUST Elara was, he is still an invader. And it is no way similar to the rule of South Indian Nayakkar dynasty in Kandyan Kingdom. Nayakkars were legitimate heirs to the throne whereas Elara is not. Sinhalas accepted the rule of Nayakkars because of this legitimate right, and not solely because the way they treated Buddhism. Please do mind that all 4 Nayakkar Rulers did not patronize Buddhism. The best example is the last in line, i.e. King Sri Wickrama Raja Singha. He did not patronize Buddhism, but both Malwaththa and Asgiriya Chapters accepted him as the legitimate King.

-Muchalinda

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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 30 Nov 2006 00:38:25 GM
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30 Nov 2006 01:38:04 GMT  Report for Abuse   
these two RAALAS's (MODA & MUCHA) arguments are based on the translated mahavamsa in 1874 into a language called sinhala which borrows more than 5000 tamils words, talking about tamils, tamil culture and thirukoneshwaram!


Nicely painted argumentation ! Keep it up Tigeress20 :-))


KURAL,

Heh..heh..I am not surprised if someone finds it *Nicely Painted* not knowing that Mahavansa is an eddited and translated version of Sihalattakatha Mahavansaya which was in Sinhala.

I am not surprised at all since those are the very people who do not know that Pali Cannon is a Translation, not something originally preserved in that language (but in Sinhala)

In fact I am also not surpirsed if you come up with such nonesense again, knowing that this is not the first time I mentioned the above two facts in this forum to you.

-Muchalinda

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30 Nov 2006 01:43:14 GMT  Report for Abuse   
LULA,
(Cc: TIGRESS and KURAL)

Have you noticed Tigeress has claimed that Sinhala has borrowed some 5000+ words from Tamil language. Can you please explain him that there is no point making such arguments when the so called Eela Tamils have borrowed their whole vocabulary from Tamil.

-Mucha

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GamaRaala
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30 Nov 2006 02:27:33 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Mucha,
CC: Lula, Tigeress19

Tigeress19 asked Lula, (page 24)
13 Nov 2006 16:51:59 GMT
Dear lula
thanks for the info,
i learnt from you that the tamil was used in the whole island widely, but when the sinhala language was formed?

is it after the introduction of Buddhism?


Lula must have given private lessons to Tigeress19. In the forum, Lula was giving a completely different lesson to the tune that Demadas decided to live separately and adapted a language/culture from South India due to 'close proximity' after 13 CAD.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 30 Nov 2006 03:31:39 GMT
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30 Nov 2006 08:52:20 GMT  Report for Abuse   
LuLa, Kula, Shan, and Tigress,

A distinguished person called (alias) Taxila wrote the following to both Gamaraala and Mucha on 8 Oct 2005; the thread: http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2005/9/3766_17.html

Understandably, both of them never replied! I do not share the religious connotations as I am an atheist, but he outlined the mixed nature of our societies very well indeed! I hope that he/she will not mind me quoting the piece here.

Gamaraala & Muchalinda,

There are many a false friends who wants us to remain like the 'Lindee Gembas', knowing nothing about what is happening in other parts on this earth, a fragile space vessel on which we are all embarked on.

Think of the air you respire and share with others, whether you like it or not !

You are young people, you must gather data, analyse them and come to conclusions with a cool head so that the future generations born under the shade of the Bodhi tree will have a better future .

So listen,

Ignore the idiots who claim superiority of one civilisation over others using manipulated information. We Sinhala Buddhist have nothing to be ashamed of except for the fact that our civilisation was not able to muster enough military/Buddhi power/technology to not to be enslaved by the British East India company for 200 years.

The neighbouring Sinhala Buddhist and Tamil Hindu civilisations have contributed much to the human well being . Only the British depicted them out to be born enemies in their divide&rule politics.

When the roots of Sinhal/Tamil civilisations in most of India were subjugated by the tribal Abrahamic(Muslim, Christian,...) invasions from the 7th century onwards and our links to the roots were cut, our forefathers who remained free, did their best to join forces to fight these hordes of plunder and destruction.

Remember that once when all our sea routes were cut by the Portuguese 300 years ago and when the whole north India was subjugated by Islam, there was not a single Buddhist Bikkhu in the whole island of Sri Lanka!

South Indians Hindus were able to resist better because a vital section of the of North Indian population also migrated to the South as the Abrahamic invaders occupied the north. They formed a larger mass of population not easy to be conquered.

That was why the Sinhala Royal families married to South Indian royal families and migrations were encouraged to fight the Abrahamic invaders attacking Sri Lanka.

It is natural for both Sinhala Buddhist and Tamil Hindu peoples to intermix because they are already a mix of many a dynamic Indian peoples and more.

It is essential to rebuild our links with the root civilisation in India because it is the only one whose aim is the same as ours, namely the search of truth which ultimately leads to Nirvana/Moksha.

Sinhala has Pali/Sanskrit at its base, it is a pure product of Indic languages including ones from the South. If one is born to the Bible, naturally it is difficult to accept that, then one prefers to have a dose of Aramic! .

The tribal bible is extremely active in Sri Lanka and will do everything to undermine any return to roots, beware of the Helu/Hela crap and the rest.

Sihala Buddhist and Hindu Tamils are made to fight each other while Christian forces take-over economic, political and military power in Sri Lanka.

Funny how the founder of the JHU, a Christian, refused to offer flowers to Dalada Maligawa. That is an insult to whole Buddhist world and specially to Sinhalese for whom Maligawa is also the centre of their culture.

Know that
- Polpot was educated in a Catholic School in the west!
- Christians Colonials were embarked on a well planned slow genocide of the proud, indomitable Sinhala Buddhist farmers during the colonial rule. Even today, the imported food is contaminating our people.
- Christians massacred 400 million red Indians in Americas.
- Great Mr. Cheguvera was a Catholic and effectivly sabotaged the revival movements of red Indians.
- Christians sucked the blood out of Africa making it a hell, they have not stopped it yet.
..........
..........

The treachery of Christians(Converteds+Aliens) are beyond imagination. Forgive them because they do not know what they are doing, but do not be fooled by them.
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30 Nov 2006 17:17:50 GMT  Report for Abuse   
Dear Readers,

Even though I mentioned that the name Thevanambiya Theesan has a meaning in Tamil (Of course it has), right from the beginning I have said that, Devanampiya Tissa, the ancient king of Lanka was from the Sinhala dynasty.

I have NEVER, I repeat NEVER said that the ancient King Devanampiya Tissa was a TAMIL.

I have also said more than once in this thread that the ancient Tamil names never ended with the letters 'N' or 'M'.

The ModaRaala in this forum is very famous for digging the old posting histories. He picks up something mentioned to someone months ago and then continues to ask repeated questions over and over and over on that same point even after explaining clearly.

As Shan pointed out, I feel sorry for Muchalinda who is also stooping down to the level of ModaRaala by following him.

Even after I continued to say that Devanampiya Tissa aka Thevanambiya Theesan (in Tamil) was from a Sinhala dynasty and NOT a Tamil, the two JOKERS are continuing to repeat the following over and over and over.

JOKES,

Lula, why did you declare 'Theva Nambiya Theesan' has a clear Tamil meaning, in the first place? What purpose does it serve?
Morever, you so far FAILED to qutoe the historical source you extracted 'Theva Nambiya Theesan'.


MORE JOKES,

The issue here is not if you have declared that T.N Theesan (aka Devanampiya Thissa) is a Tamil. YES, WE ALL KNOW (AND HEREBY AGAIN AGREE) THAT YOU HAVE NOWHERE MENTIONED THAT HE IS A TAMIL. But mister, this is not the ISSUE. And do not try to close widely opened challenges. I have asked you a very specific question. Why on earth it occurred to your INNOCENT MIND that Theva Nambiya Theesan sounds quite Tamil, just seeing the name Devanampiya Thissa.


Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, He, he, he, he, he, Hu, hu, hu, hu, hu, Hooo, hoo, ho, ho, ho.

What a joke, very funny, keep it up both of you.

I also remember another joke somewhat similar to the above.

A Sardarji and his wife are traveling by car from Key West to Boston. After almost twenty-four hours on the road, they're too tired to continue, and they decide to stop for a rest. They stop at a nice hotel and take a room, but they only plan to sleep for four hours and then get back on the road.

When they check out four hours later, the desk clerk hands them a bill for $350. The Sardarji explodes and demands to know why the charge is so high. He tells the clerk although it's a nice hotel, the rooms certainly aren't worth $350. When the clerk tells him $350 is the standard rate, the man insists on speaking to the Manager. The Manager appears, listens to the Sardarji, and then explains that the hotel has an Olympic-sized pool and a huge conference center that were available for the husband and wife to use.

But we didn't use them, the Sardarji complains.

Well, they are here, and you could have, explains the Manager. He goes on to explain they could have taken in one of the shows for which the hotel is famous.
'The best entertainers from New York, Hollywood and Las Vegas perform here,' the Manager says.

But we didn't go to any of those shows, sardarji complains again.

'Well, we have them, and you could have', the Manager replies. No matter what facility the Manager mentions, the sardarji replies 'But we didn't use it'. The Manager is unmoved, and eventually the Sardarji finally gives up and agrees to pay. He writes a check and gives it to
the Manager.

The Manager is surprised when the looks at the check. 'But sir,' he says, 'this check is only made out for $100.' 'That's right,' says the sardarji, 'I charged you $250 for sleeping with my wife.'

'But I didn't!' exclaims the Manager.

'Well,' the Sardarji replies, 'she was here, and you could have.'


Lula said, Devanampiya Tissa was NOT a Tamil, but ModaRaala/Muchalinda are saying, you said Thevanambiya Theesan has a meaning in Tamil, so you could have.

Enjoy the FUN,

I am out of here,

SAYONARA!
Edited By - LuLa - 30 Nov 2006 17:34:20 GMT
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