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Hindus set to convert to Buddhism
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nativerights
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16 Oct 2006 12:49:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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If cast and regionalism is non existant in Tamil-only eelam Karuna and the east would not have revolted. We can see through the vp bs.
Well what has certainly taken prime of place in Tamil-only eelaam now is fascist racism and a system of apartheid. Human rights, children's rights and as Gaja Lakshmi Paramasivam points out even sad state of women's rights being abused!
Tamil-Nadu also has the world's largest (200) collection of de-capitated Buddha statues and fully destroyed statues and monasteries(over 200) anywhere in the world.
Edited By - nativerights - 16 Oct 2006 13:05:02 G |
pol_sambal
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16 Oct 2006 17:45:13 GMT Report for Abuse
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The day Prabha, Thamilchelvam converts to buddhism and become monks !
Maha Vanniye Prabhakaran Am mata Siri Thero
Medavachchiye Thamil Sellang Thero ( Podi Thena ) |
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16 Oct 2006 20:44:17 GMT Report for Abuse
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Excellent. if religious conversion helps escape the socio-economic shackles that one's own religion places on you - i think we should support it.
It doesn't matter if they are converting to escape hinduism or buddhism or christianity. |
Mucha-linda
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17 Oct 2006 01:48:46 GMT Report for Abuse
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TIGRESS,
I think I have made the same mistake which I warned LULA not to make. I started a row with you not grasping the full BREADTH of your inanity (I am sorry to say this. But the best advice I can give you at this stage is to copy all these discussions to a CD and to read those, probably in 15 years time. This is not the first time I said this. However, you will understand everything crystal clear by then. I am not saying you are stupid, but you are not mature enough to understand these complex topics).
Tigress, History (to that matter any other science) is not essentially about fabricating stories as you wish, but about proving those stories *beyond reasonable doubt* with factual evidences.
As said earlier, my intention here is not to give you detailed accounts to show how bogus and unfounded your arguments are. I am neither going to ask you to read Prof. Karthigesu Indrapala or Dr. Karthigesu Sivathamby, or Dr. Sinnappah Arasaratnam or Prof. Professor S. K. Sittrampalam, since I am not a sadist to torture you like that. But in this tender age, at least give a decent try to understand what you wrote earlier.
For example you first said,
the present day Sinhalese are one time Tamils who were discriminated by the Hindu caste system.
And then said,
those you mentioned (i.e. Koviars, Nalluwas, Tanakaras) are sinhalese imported from the south to the thamil eelam.
Dear Mr. TIGRESS, first try to understand the inconsistency within your argument. You first argued that all the modern day Sinhalas are converts of lower caste Tamils, and then agree to the fact that Tamils castes like Koviars, Nalluwas and Tanakaras are Sinhalas by origin!
I have no plan to fill your disk space any more.
-Muchalinda
PS: Please note that it is not the intention of Muchalinda to discriminate any ethnicity based on caste system. He is merely responding to certain unfounded arguments of others.
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Mucha-linda
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17 Oct 2006 01:50:14 GMT Report for Abuse
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When a person is ordained into the Sinhala Buddhist order as a monk, they select a Nikaya for the newly ordained monk according to his caste.
LULA,
It is not that there is a single superior authority that decides the Nikaya for a newly ordained monk based on his caste, but that certain Nikayas (Malwathu and Asgiri Chapters of Siyam Nikaya) ordain people from certain selected castes. However, in case of all the other chapters like Ramañña and Amarapura Nikayas, they do not consider the caste of a person when ordaining in to their chapters. A such, anyone from any caste can become a Nayaka Thero as long as they belonged to these Nikayas.
For example, former Nayaka Thero of Amarapura Nikaya, Most Ven. Madihe Paññasiha Thero is a Catholic by birth, let alone to highlight the ability of any Buddhist to make it there, irrespective of their castes.
I am not justifying these caste based practices (of Malwathu and Asgiri Chapters). However, there are historical reasons to adopt such traditions.
-Mucha
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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 17 Oct 2006 02:03:30 GM |
Mucha-linda
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17 Oct 2006 01:53:58 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAKTI,
But that task is so easy that even somebody like Mucha-linda can respond you. Why try driving the car myself when I can easily find a driver?
You do not need to say all that to get a lift from Muchalinda. He always happily offers lifts to people like you (who cannot drive due to impaired vision). You are welcome aboard if you are heading the same direction. However, Muchalinda appreciates people who can keep their mouths shut while on board.
-Muchalinda
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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 17 Oct 2006 03:18:11 GM |
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17 Oct 2006 05:35:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tigress19,
I told you once passed the bucket, Muchie cannot resist the temptation to take a bath. I was correct.
However, this time he has taken only a quick shower.
The advices he gives to others are always good for Muchie too.
If he copies the content of these debates into a CD and read them after TEN years (he need not wait 15) he will definitely understand what rubbish he has been talking about and what a fool he had been.
To be frank, my thinking was not very different from Mucha-linda's when I was doing A/Ls and some time after. But the age and the experiences in the world changes that. I am only sad that Mucha-linda never got an opportunity to earn that type of experience or maturity from the world. So he continues to repeat what Nalin De Silva, Wimal Weerawansa and Winnie Hettigoda puts into his mouth like a parrot.
I am sorry to see another brain goes in the drain. |
Mucha-linda
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17 Oct 2006 06:17:03 GMT Report for Abuse
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I can understand people bathing water taken up by themselves in their own buckets. But I cannot understand the mentality of married males who enjoy watching other males bathing.
But what can I do. This is nothing but the differences in their upbrinings.
Amen!!
-Muchalinda
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LuLa
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17 Oct 2006 16:28:38 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha,
Now let me go back and analyze my original post to see where I am lacking on the 'breadth of the subject'.
Even though Lord Buddha was born into a high caste Hindu royal family, he rejected the caste system.
Thank God, in India they are still following the true Buddhism where as in Sri Lanka, the Sinhala Buddhism still follows the Hindu caste system.
Here, my main intention was to show that, although Buddhism does not recognize the caste system, in Sri Lanka, the Sinhala-Buddhists do identify themselves with a caste.
Since, the caste system among the Sinhala-Buddhists is well known, I am not going to elaborate further on it.
Fortunately, the Buddhists in India still follow Buddhism and NOT Sinhala-Buddhism and therefore it helped those Dalits (low castes) to convert themselves into an eastern religion very close to what they already practice but without the horrible caste system which discriminated them as untouchables.
When a person is ordained into the Sinhala Buddhist order as a monk, they select a Nikaya for the newly ordained monk according to his caste.
The Siam Nikaya (from Thailand) was established in the upcountry (Kandy) during the 18th century to ordain the Sinhalese novices.
It is a well known fact that the Malwathu and Asgiri Chapters of Siyam Nikaya only accepts ordinations from people of the Govigama caste, and due to this reason, Amarapura Nikaya (from Burma) was established in the early 19th century by the people of lower castes who were unhappy with this practice.
The Ramanna Nikaya is a breakaway group from the Amarapura Nikaya, established in the late 19th century, as a result of disputes over some points in the doctrine.
Now, if Muchalinda is to be ordained into the Sinhala-Buddhist order as a monk, first Muchalinda has to look for a Nikaya, either Siam or Amarapura/Ramanna according to his higher or lower caste. Unfortunately, the Siam Nikaya will refuse to accept him if he is not from the Govigama caste.
The Maha Nayaka theros are all selected from the high caste.
This is the only statement where I need to make a small correction. The Maha Nayaka theros of the Amarapura/Ramanna Nikayas need not be from the higher caste where as those from the Siam Nayaka (Malwathu and Asgiri) should always be from a higher caste.
This is just one of the many differences between Buddhism and Sinhala-Buddhism or to put it in your (Muchalinda's) words, the 'Sri Lankan version of Buddhism' practiced only by the Sinhalese.
Now, coming back to your advice,
My suggestion to you is very simple. If you do not know the breadth of the subject you are speaking, better refrain from that altogether.
The correction I have to make in my original post is only in the last statement and due to that if you are suggesting that I should refrain from speaking, then what can I say about the number of wrong statements or blunders what you make?
Any suggestions?
PN: I know that you are very busy and I do not want you to spend your precious time on long debates which will not add any value to your progress in life.
I am sorry, as usual I got carried away. If you have any reply (of course you do, I know you will never give up) please take your own time. I am matured enough to understand even if you do not respond.
Edited By - LuLa - 17 Oct 2006 16:33:08 GMT |
tigeress19
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17 Oct 2006 23:12:20 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha
i m bit busy right now and i will answer to your post as soon as poss, i m not very impressed after you claimed that one of your quote as mine in your reply to me.
miss.muchlinda ,i will thrash it out when i come back, it is gonna be either you or me. i promise ,i will take you all the way to the initial conversation we had long long ago about the panch eeswaram temple.
mean while please do not edit any of your posts!
thank you
daughter of eelam the tigress
TIGRESS,
You are again speaking nonsense (as usual). I am not in a situation to give you detailed accounts (I am quite busy). But, it is good if you can spend some time to read about certain Jaffna Hindu Castes like Koviars, Nalluwas, Tanakaras etc (that cannot be found amongst your brethren across the straight). Don't be surprised if you come across the complete opposite of what you currently believe.
LULA,
My suggestion to you is very simple. If you do not know the breadth of the subject you are speaking, better refrain from that altogether.
There is a concern about the caste of a person in certain Nikyas of the Sri Lankan version of Buddhism (which in a way can be considered as something completely against the fundamentals of Buddhism), but it is not essentially the one you think, unfortunately.
-Muchalinda
TIGRESS,
I think I have made the same mistake which I warned LULA not to make. I started a row with you not grasping the full BREADTH of your inanity (I am sorry to say this. But the best advice I can give you at this stage is to copy all these discussions to a CD and to read those, probably in 15 years time. This is not the first time I said this. However, you will understand everything crystal clear by then. I am not saying you are stupid, but you are not mature enough to understand these complex topics).
Tigress, History (to that matter any other science) is not essentially about fabricating stories as you wish, but about proving those stories *beyond reasonable doubt* with factual evidences.
As said earlier, my intention here is not to give you detailed accounts to show how bogus and unfounded your arguments are. I am neither going to ask you to read Prof. Karthigesu Indrapala or Dr. Karthigesu Sivathamby, or Dr. Sinnappah Arasaratnam or Prof. Professor S. K. Sittrampalam, since I am not a sadist to torture you like that. But in this tender age, at least give a decent try to understand what you wrote earlier.
For example you first said,
the present day Sinhalese are one time Tamils who were discriminated by the Hindu caste system.
And then said,
those you mentioned (i.e. Koviars, Nalluwas, Tanakaras) are sinhalese imported from the south to the thamil eelam.
Dear Mr. TIGRESS, first try to understand the inconsistency within your argument. You first argued that all the modern day Sinhalas are converts of lower caste Tamils, and then agree to the fact that Tamils castes like Koviars, Nalluwas and Tanakaras are Sinhalas by origin!
I have no plan to fill your disk space any more.
-Muchalinda
PS: Please note that it is not the intention of Muchalinda to discriminate any ethnicity based on caste system. He is merely responding to certain unfounded arguments of others.
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Edited By - tigeress19 - 17 Oct 2006 23:23:40 GMT |
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