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LuLa
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24 Nov 2006 08:19:10 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
Very true, you have to learn a new type of debating skill to deal with people who are adamant, turning and twisting their own words to try to prove that they are always right. |
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24 Nov 2006 10:16:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kula,
There is a person in this forum who says he cannot comment on a quote from a book without reading a whole chapter or a page.
Hilariously, the same person is prepared to DISCARD the same book, without reading a whole chapter or a page. :-)
Without reading the whole chapter or a page of a particular document, you would not know under what context that sentence was written.
Just commenting on a phrase without knowing under what context it was written would only lead to confusion and contradiction and I do not do that.
-http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2006/7/7834_81.html
That's beautiful logic :-) Cannot comment on a paragraph, but CAN comment to DISCARD THE WHOLE book :-) :-)
PS: There is no prize for guessing who this person is :-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 24 Nov 2006 10:38:51 GMT |
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24 Nov 2006 10:32:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
people who are adamant, turning and twisting their own words to try to prove that they are always right
The below is an example for how people twist their own words to try to prove they were always right. :-)
First version:
At one time they even thought the Portuguese were Indians (Damilas).
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Even today, if a Tamil comes from India, the Sri Lankans(Tamils) will call him as an Indian (Tamil) *just the way they called them Damilas* at that time.
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This is what I understood and believe ** after reading Prof. Indrapala and many other similar historians **.
http://www.lankanewspapers.com/news/2006/2/5775_47.html
Twisted version:
Before the 13th CAD, Tamils lived as Tamils (DEMADAS), not as Indian Tamils, not as Cholas, Pandiyans, or Cheras, and not as Eela Tamils.
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First version:
Prof. K. Indrapala, ** in his new book ** has shed some light on this Sinhala/Tamil separation. His view is that there ** was hardly any division or differences between Tamils and Sinhalese ** prior to 10-12th century A.D.
Twisted version:
Demada(Tamils) could be ** clearly identified ** for their language and culture.
Edited By - GamaRaala - 24 Nov 2006 10:36:58 GMT |
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24 Nov 2006 10:51:25 GMT Report for Abuse
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GAMAYA..
your killing lula here ... leave him alone, let him be :-)
Edited By - Nightfox78 - 24 Nov 2006 10:52:14 GMT |
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24 Nov 2006 12:58:21 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nightfox78,
This ModaRaala is not killing LuLa but he is committing Hara-Kiri to himself.
I hope you are NOT a Konda Bandupu Cheena to believe all what this ModaRaala is saying.
At one time they even thought the Portuguese were Indians (Damilas).
Even today, if a Tamil comes from India, the Sri Lankans(Tamils) will call him as an Indian (Tamil) *just the way they called them Damilas* at that time.
Unfortunately, the above is not found anywhere in Prof. Indrapala's book, it is only written by some Sinhalese scholars.
If you had read my previous post, I have explained, under what context, I wrote the above.
If you read what Lula wrote 10 months ago as our ModaRaala has shown above, what ever LuLa mentioned about Prof. Indrapala?s book at that time was the bits and pieces what LuLa picked up from different sources in the net, just like what ModaRaala is doing now, and that is why LuLa always mention that 'this is what I understand from his book'.
In June2006, Lula bought a copy of his book and also Lula came to know that there is another Professor known as R. A. L. H. Gunawardana who wrote 'The People of the Lion: The Sinhala Identity and Ideology in History and Historiography', some extracts from this is also found in Indrapala?s book.
After reading the book what Lula bought, Lula never said, 'this is what I understand from his book' because everything is very clearly written in Black and White and bold. Lula started typing many paragraphs (including page numbers) from his book only after June 2006.
When I saw Muchalinda engaged in debates with others, mostly on history, I told him that I admire his knowledge and debating skills which he said he acquired by reading articles on history for 8 years, but at that time I did not know anything about history. Later, when I engaged with him on long debates, he knew that I was only a student of history.
Even Prof. Indrapala says, what he wrote when he was a student of history and what he wrote now as a prof. in history are totally different from each other.
After reading his book(after June), all what I have quoted about what he said is straight from his book and not from any web site.
However ever much this ModaRaala screams or hoots, Lula is not going to feed him punnaku, because Lula only argues with someone who is sane and sensible.
If you had gone thro' this thread and if you can also think a little, you would have noticed why everybody is ignoring this ModaRaala, he is simply a waste of time, coming up only with some old stuff.
Edited By - LuLa - 24 Nov 2006 13:24:39 GMT |
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24 Nov 2006 13:41:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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LuLa,
Rala man has a pea brain. This ludicrous argument of his that the Sri Lankan Tamils are comparable to those Tamils live in the western world, is simply astonishing.
All aspects of Sri Lanka have strong links to India; peoples, languages, religions, cultures, and most importantly complexions and physical resemblances. Can you imagine if Buddhism had originated from Sri Lanka, these idiots would have eaten us alive!
The Sinhalese must know that the Tamil people have far more rights in foreign countries than they have in their own county, all thanks to nut cases like Ralas and Muchas!
I also would like to read both Indrapala's and Gunawardne's books; can I acquire them through internet? |
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24 Nov 2006 14:08:25 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB,
Nobody wants to waste their time in arguing with stupid idiots like this Raala who either comes up with questions and keeps repeating them, OR compares the native Sri Lankan Tamils with those in the West, OR comes up with Prof. Indrapala?s 40 years old writings which the good old prof. has already discarded OR picks up some 10 months old posting history and compares it with what is being argued today.
The book mentioned here is 'The evolution of an Ethnic Identity: The Tamils of Sri Lanka, C.300 BCE to C. 1200 CE. by Prof. K. Indrapala, available at the Lake house book shop or at the Wijitha Yapa book shop in Colombo. Its Rupees 1400/=.
You can also order thro' the web at http://www.srilankanbooks.com/preview.php3?ID=22601
It is really worth having a copy of this book.
Prof. R. A. L. H. (Leslie) Gunawardana is also one of the great historians. His publication 'The People of the Lion: The Sinhala Identity and Ideology in History and Historiography' is a must read, unfortunately I do not have it and I am not sure if it can be ordered thro? the web.
Both, Prof. R. A. L. H. (Leslie) Gunawardana and Prof. K. Indrapala are well renowned and unbiased academics and researchers in History and Archeology.
If you can have the above two books, it is more than enough to put up a good argument with any Sinhala-Buddhist chauvinist kid.
BTW, You asked me when the Mahavamsa was translated into Sinhala.
The first printed edition and English translation of the Mahavansha was published in 1837 by George Turnour, an historian and officer of the Ceylon Civil Service. A German translation of Mahavansha was completed by Wilhelm Geiger in 1912. This was then translated into English by Mabel Haynes Bode, and the English translation was revised by Geiger.
Ven. Walane Siddartha Thero who was ordained at Paramadhammacetiya Ratmalana in 1874 translated the original Pali Mahavamsa into Sinhala.
The most influential figure in this field was the great German Indologist, Max Muller. According to Gunawardana, scholars in late 19th century Sri Lanka took up Max Muller's theories and injected a racialist content into Sinhala nationalist thinking.
Edited By - LuLa - 24 Nov 2006 18:39:33 GMT |
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24 Nov 2006 14:29:36 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Lula
Congrats man. Now people are bringing your previous quotes along with other professors and historians to justify their arguments. It is an achievement for a person like you as you yourself have claimed that you didn't know much history to begin with. Now you have reached to a position to lecture these history lovers.
I love your yoga. Pls time and time again.
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24 Nov 2006 14:30:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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For (new) history lovers
It is more than a debate about a known and unknown history alone in this thread and in previous occasions. You can see from the thread that critical analysis is been done by the debaters to know the unknowns. No one is ready to consume biased versions of history and is part of the current trouble in SL. We can not behave like kindergarten children when it comes to a serious debate. |
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24 Nov 2006 14:31:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ladies and Gentlemen:
Coming to serious fact finding re SL Tamils and their origin simply a
Migrated mercantile lot in 12 or 13 CAD to a hostile territory
Can not be accepted as Muru pointed out. This was my position as well.
I am not in a position to accept when there should have been a hot history of confrontations and be able to discuss in crystal clear in facts and figures about waves of invasions and confrontations on the daily basis as now of an arid land full of gold.
Have a nice week end. |
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