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Ariyalai_SB
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19 Nov 2006 16:25:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Kula, LuLa, and Shan,
Hello to you all. I do not have time to get really into any discussions due to my work commitments; my hat off to you all challenging these fools and putting them in their place.
No doubt you guys would have read articles published by one Reggie Sriwardene; nevertheless, I thought that it is appropriate to quote him here. Here he says that re-writing of school textbooks free from unscientific racial myths and obsessions; it says it all!
A system of education that encourages and fosters ideas of racial superiority and domination among the majority community is no basis for national unity, or even for national peace... To adopt or sanction a two faced educational policy by giving Sinhala and Tamil school children different conceptions of the relation between the two communities and their place in the national life is, in fact, to promote continuing discord, conflict and bitterness and to foster divisiveness and separation.
One pre condition for any effort to build a sense of national identity is the rewriting of school books. In the same study I have suggested that such a reform should be based on ?a new perspective on our history, culture and national life, free of unscientific racial myths and obsessions with the invasions and wars of another age and another society, and a recognition of the common elements that link the peoples of this country in shared experiences and mutual assimilation of elements from each other?s cultures:
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GamaRaala
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19 Nov 2006 22:55:28 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
Kula, your quote made me really laugh, very appropriate for this fellow.
That's good. Lula Malli fell down -- not only Lula Malli does not have sand in his mustache, but also Lula Malli is still laughing. That is the courage ;-) Those Uncles like Ariyalai_SB, who fell down and now lamenting, should learn from Lula's courage.
Prof. Indrapala says, the Demada (Tamil) kings Sena and Guttaka who ruled the Anuradapura kingdom were natives of the Island (NOT invaders).
Unlike Lula Prof Indrapala does not say Demadas were clearly identifiable due to their own language and culture, prior to 13 CAD. Lula still FAILED to unload an evidence from KI's truckload ;-)
Other than the Sinhala dynasty, the 'multi-ethnic', 'multi-cultural', 'multi-something' Anuradapura kingdom was also ruled by Tamils and Nagas from time to time.
This is part is an invention of Doktor Lula, not from Dr Leslie G nor from Prof Karthigesu I. Dr Leslie G does not even believe in an 'Tamil Ethnic' prior to 13 CAD!
TAKE THIS AS A CHALLENGE, and SHOW EVIDENCE to support your hypothesis that CLEARLY IDENTIFIABLE DEMADAS I(not South Indian invaders) ruled Anuradhapura Kingdom as 'Demada' or Multi-something Kingdom.
What happened to Lula was a SUICIDE. Naively, Lula went too far with his argument that 'Demadas' were clearly identifiable Ethnic prior to 13 CAD!. Then Lula quoted Dr Leslie G, who DEFINES 'Sinhala Identity' as the dynasty who ruled Anuradhapura Kingdom. Obviosuly, Lula's his-story that 'Clearly Identifiable Demadas' ruled Anuradhpura vanishes into thin air :-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 20 Nov 2006 00:26:12 GMT |
Sandman
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19 Nov 2006 23:34:31 GMT Report for Abuse
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First all Indians become Budhist, then have priests, who then take a lesson from the southern neighbors and realize the power of the saffron robe, get into politics and there goes India..
Stillborn super-power. |
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20 Nov 2006 00:22:47 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
You quoted KI,
More importantly, significant developments, both in terms of archaeological research and changing historical perspectives, have taken place in the LAST FOUR DECADES.
What you were asked to was unload a single peace of evidence from the truckload that emerged during the LAST FOUR DECADES. For instance, what evidence emerged to support your claim that 'Demadas' had their own language and culture, thus were clearly identifiable even before 13 cAD? :-) :-) That truck doesn't seem to have arrived yet. |
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20 Nov 2006 02:15:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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Unlike Lula Prof Indrapala does not say Demadas were clearly identifiable due to their own language and culture, prior to 13 CAD.
A NEAT and CLEAR answer to this is found in his book, page 4,19, & 141-146.
Other than the Sinhala dynasty, the 'multi-ethnic', 'multi-cultural', 'multi-something' Anuradapura kingdom was also ruled by Tamils and Nagas from time to time.
A NEAT and CLEAR answer to this is found in his book, page 162, 163 and many other pages.
Please spend just U$14 and you will know the answers. |
GamaRaala
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20 Nov 2006 02:40:41 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
It seems that this NEAT, CLEAR, you are unable to quote the so-called new evidence that emerged during the LAST FOUR DECADES, unlike other unrelated material (like quotes from Lee Kuan Yew) that you have been quoting all along.
Should the same apply to how you clearly identify 'Demadas Ethnic' due to their unique language and culture?
It seems that the much expected truck with a truckload of evidence is never going to arrive. :-)
Edited By - GamaRaala - 20 Nov 2006 09:00:20 GMT |
Mucha-linda
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20 Nov 2006 02:42:38 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear LULA,
Muchalinda assumes that it is alright for him to give some priority to MURU (in replying) as you have no solid arguments to respond to him, apart from Laughing (a bad habit you might have picked thanks to your company with LOSERS).
Muchalinda will NEVER consider this as a walkover, and let your intuition decides that for you. You are very welcome to respond to his *widely opened Challenge* whenever you managed to get some solid facts unloaded from that TRUCK, facts that have not peviously been taken out by PK Balachandran.
Muchalinda sincerely thanks you for your valuable contribution and hope he has not earned another enemy.
It is also the tradition of Muchainda to acknowledge if he has lost any of his points to anyone during the discussion.
* As NALEEN said, VALLIPURAM GOLD PLATE INSCRIPTION cannot be Radiocarbon dated due to the very reason that it contains no carbon. That part is something Muchalinda added himself (SAD).
Let Muchalinda also make a small correction.
* The correct spellings of the name of the person whom Muchalinda recommonded you to read on logical empiricism is Ernst Mach (an Austrian Physicist and Philosopher) not Earnest Mark.
-Muchalinda
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20 Nov 2006 02:59:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lula,
What does your favourite Dr Leslie G say about 'Clearly identifiable Demada ethnic prior to 13 CAD'? :-) The last we heard of him was that he does not believe 'Tamils' or 'Sinhalas' were ethnics before 13 CAD, so he must be REJECTING your hypothesis that you could 'clearly identify Demada Ethnic Prior to 13 CAD' :-)
Or, do you have another set of 'page numbers' as evidence? ;-) |
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20 Nov 2006 04:58:15 GMT Report for Abuse
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UlHaq,
Don't worry too much about Ariyalai_SB. He once declared that Malayali and Sinhala scripts are so similar that Malayalis could read Sinhalese. :-)
He also said there was a claim that a Malayali could read a Sinhala daily papers, which he later attributed to The Island's. However, the URL he refered had an article disputing the same myth, which Ariyalai_SB choose to ignore.
He claims to be a 'Management consultant', and has a lot common with the other (Resource) Management consultant. ;-) |
Mucha-linda
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20 Nov 2006 05:18:51 GMT Report for Abuse
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MURU,
Sorry, I have not responded you sufficiently, due to the reasons I mentioned earlier. Anyway, please find the answers to the questions you raised earlier, below.
is the Vallipuram inscription the only 'Sinhala' one found in the Jaffna penninsula, are there any other inscriptions or written records in Sinhala found there?
YES.
Two Sinhala inscriptions of King Dappula IV have been discovered in Jaffna District. Dappula IV ruled from Anuradhapura during 920 AD. One inscription was discovered among the runs of an ancient Buddhist Temple called Kadurugoda Viharaya at Kandarodai in Uduvil. The other Sinhala Inscriptin of King Dappula IV was discovered in Punakari DRO's division in Dunukawa (Tunukai). Interestingly, this Dappula IV is a very weak King who ruled just 9 months!
Among the other Sinhala Inscriptions found in the so called Tamil Homeland were Tiruketisvaram Pillar inscription of Sena II(853-887), pillar inscription of Kassapa IV (898-914) found at Divisional Secretariate Office of Mannar, 10 th century AD slab inscription of King Abhasalamewan, Palmottai slab inscription of Vijayabahu (1055-1110), Kantalai stone seat inscription of King Nissankamalla (1187-1196) etc.
In addition to the above numerous other Inscriptions of Sinhala Kings have also been discovered which were written mainly in Sanskrit and one in Tamil.
If so, is this sufficient evidence to prove that 'Sinhala' was the sole and dominant language spoken there?
Well, I am not sure if this evidence is sufficient for an Eelamist to accept that Sinhala was the main language spoken in Jaffna before 13 CAD. However, in case of Archaeology and History, this is more than sufficient.
Nagadeepa was a fiefdom ruled by a Sinhala king through a Naga chief - therefore as Shan pointed out is it that surprising to see a old 'Sinhala' inscription present?
MURU, Shan has a history of pointing out many different thigs out of nothing. Therefore, before finding out if discovering Sinhala Inscriptions in Jaffna is surprising, we need to find out if what SHAN has said can be proven with substantial evidence.
Were there other langauges spoken there?
YES, Tamil might have spoken there mainly by a mercantile population who settled there on temporary basis with south Indian origins. FYI: A Tail Inscriptions was discovered at the entrance to the Nakapusani-Amman Temple in Nainativu belonging to King Prakramabahu I (1153-1186). It contains certain TRADE regulations concerning wreckages off the port of Uratturai (present day Kyts).
When did the Nagas' original language die out?
Again, there are lots of other questions need to be raised before this. First we need to find out if there were a group of people called Nagas. Then we need to find out if Nagas were not instrumented in building the Sinhala Nation. After that we need to find out if Nagas ever had their own language different to Sinhalas. Only then we can argue when that language could have died out, provided the question is legitimate within the framework defined by the answers to previous questions.
What is the significance of the Dravidian title that the EIA chief from Anaikoddai had?
I don?t have a clue.
Are those words (*Bujameni*, *Amethi*, *Vihara*, *Karithe*) ONLY found in Sinhala-Prakit? Are those words not also found throughout India in other Prakit inscriptions and writings?
YES. Especially the word Bujameni is a unique case. Bujameni (or Bujami or Buja in general) is a word that can be found solely in Sinhala Prakrit inscriptions. This word means a ruler, ruling, governor depends on the context it is used. If I my memory is correct, this very word has also been found among Sigiriya Mirror Wall writings.
More importantly, is this language Sinhala or is it Prakit?
If we forget the Naming Convention for a moment, what I can say is that this was the language spoken by a group of people whose modern day descendents identify themselves as Sinhalas. This is also NOT the language spoken by the people whose modern day descendents identify themselves as Tamils.
We can argue if we should call Neanderthal a Neanderthal or a Pig. However, it remains a fact that it is the descendent of this *being* which to day identify themselves as Homo sapiens.
-Muchalinda
PS: This contains information reported on Epigraphica Zelonica and on work done by Prof. Sirimal Ranvella.
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Edited By - Mucha-linda - 20 Nov 2006 05:21:52 GM |
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