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tamilcanuck
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15 Feb 2006 18:04:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tigress19,
when replying try to reply to Ariyalai_Sb first. He is in a bad mood today (another thread)
take your own time but dont delay! |
tigeress19
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15 Feb 2006 18:55:56 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tamilcanuck
i have to take a bit more time responding to sir ariyalai-sb,i will address him later,
in some point ,you asked me about kumari, lol kumari? :))
i was only trying to wind her up ,but she was screaming at me and pleaded not to disturb her in harsher manners.
so i left, thats all.
naleen,
no, not at all, i did not take your harsh words seriously and it did not give me any pain at all. I'm sure you had a point.when you said you did not want anything to do with me,i just laughed and i knew how to pull you.see we are still talking.aren't we? any way, i was touched by one of your post in the past and yours is the first post in my favorite post collection.
uncle kula.
i will have to come back to your post about federalism,defense and economy.i did not forgot yet.i will reply as soon as possible. |
tigeress19
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15 Feb 2006 20:18:25 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear sir ariyalai-sb
i understood and agree with your posts and points you raised about the importance of united lanka,Irish quarrels rather than ethnic conflict and the future tight federal constitution of srilanka.
you did make your case very well and confused me quite well too :)). i thought first ,the post is contradicting but it did not.
say for example,in indian federal model, the indians have borders and boundaries dividing each states.but not in lanka.the gosl do not even want to recognize the tamilhome land concept.
then how on earth in future the federal government to take place in lanka?
you stated one lanka policy for survival purpose.let say i accept, but how to archive our own unique identity with one lanka policy? aren't we going back to the 1948? OK even if so for the sake of peace, how on earth we Tamils to rule over us in some sort of federal style without the clear border? so the gosl must accept the tamil home land concept first to begin with. if they refuse then what is the point asking ltte if they will accept a federal model.
we cannot compare the irish English quarrels to lanka conflict.it is a world of deferences.
federalism.........?
1)home land of the tamil people must be accepted to form a federal government
2)what sort of federalism? only con federal system will serve the tamils better other wise tamils land will be graped.
comoros is a confereral country.Comoros consist of three small islands.five language spoken in there. each island has it's own president and own constitution but they have a common Constitution as well.one of the island president will be the super power president to all three islands and the president post will be rotated to another after 4 years in power. presidents will be elected by the public.
1)the armed forces will owe their allegiance to the common constitution.
2)Comoros has its own but one permanent rep at the UN to represent all three islands.
we need a system like Comoros to be united or union srilanka.
i still do not understand why you are sir for unitary system,how come you forgot all the tamils grievances which you sympathized with them that quickly.
will ever the Palestinians and Israelis stay in one parliament? no chance.
so it is all depends on gosl to make lanka better and safe from other invaders. whether it is eelam or con federal system all other foreign powers must come through the front door and ask for tamils concent for their businesess. |
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16 Feb 2006 00:29:48 GMT Report for Abuse
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LULA:
About the article you copied:
FYI: Even though your newly found article may appear to some of you as invigorating and refreshing, it is worth noting that Sinhala Buddhists Chauvinists like Muchalinda has studied this weeks ago (this is the very article from which I quoted Predikant Philippus Baldaeus on 30 Jan 2006 00:56:17 GMT, i.e. 2 weeks ago).
This is not the only such article that could make you laughing at Sinhala Buddhist Chauvinists. In fact there are several web sites whose sole purpose of existence is to carry articles of this nature. For your enjoyment, visit web sites like that of Tamil Canadian, whenever you dont have anything else to do. You would find volumes of scholastic crap like this. Sinhala Buddhists Chauvinists generally identify these as 'Moda Choon'.
My understanding is, articles of this nature is good as long as they are not read by non-Eelamists. And, if you want, I am ready to respond to some of the things Prof. S.K. Sitrampalam said, as time permits. However, if this is not the time, at least make sure to quote extracts from this article in our possible future debates, so that we can desect them to get a better understanding.
-Muchalinda
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16 Feb 2006 01:20:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha,
I will reply to your posts when I get some spare time. |
tigeress19
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16 Feb 2006 08:18:17 GMT Report for Abuse
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Naleen
'large majority of the sinhala people are for federalism'
i never knew there a referendum was held in the past among the sinhala people about offering federal system to tamils.
if it is the case then naleen, yes we are wrong in guessing. |
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16 Feb 2006 14:27:00 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Tigeress19,
Thanks for another well thought out reply. I am also pleased that you recognise the importance of keeping Sri Lanka United.
Quote: you stated one lanka policy for survival purpose.let say i accept, but how to archive our own unique identity with one lanka policy? aren't we going back to the 1948? OK even if so for the sake of peace, how on earth we Tamils to rule over us in some sort of federal style without the clear border? Unquote
If you take Britain for example, from the early ages, the English, Scottish, and Walsh fought each other like barbarians; they savagely attacked and killed peoples for no reason; they decimated each other?s communities as if they were killing cattle. But, in the end, they learned to live side by side within a United Kingdom; the important aspect is that they never lost their unique identities. The English, the Scottish, and the Walsh are very proud of their identities; these days, their feelings and sense of belongs are amply manifested during sporting encounters.
If a Federal solution were to be thrashed out, there will be borders in order to demarcate the federated regions; however, the negotiators will have to labour on many contentious aspects: the amalgamation of North and East as one and the demarcation of borders etc.
The Sinhalese are suspicious that by merging North and East, and calling it as a Tamil homeland, would eventually lead to separation. This sense of feeling exists right across the spectrum of the Sinhala society. Even those Sinhalese who advocate a Federal model are uneasy with this merger. We Tamils must understand as to why they feel this way. On the other hand, we can say that we do not care two hoots about what the they think; but, if we are serious about finding peace in Sri Lanka, both Tamils and Sinhalese must understand each other?s concerns; this is fundamental to building consensus. Understanding other?s concerns does not mean that you agree with the other, but it helps to compromise.
Is it very important to call the North and East as the Tamil Homeland? In my view, it is not important at all. What is important is to find consensus on demarcations of a federal model. In terms of the inhabitants; if a federated region is predominantly populated with Tamils, the Tamils in harmony will govern that region with other groups. I therefore believe that, if calling the North and East as Tamil Homeland were to be an obstacle to find peace, we need to be flexible, as ultimately, a Federal model will go long way to satisfy Tamil aspirations.
I agree with you that the Irish example is not directly comparable to our issue. However, what is comparable is the approach to conflict resolution and the root course of emergence of Nationalisms. As with the Sri Lankan Tamils, the Irish Catholics in Northern Ireland became conscious about their identity, only because they were chronically discriminated; once the discrimination issues were remedied, they became less and less conscious about their identity; this is a fact.
The problem in Sri Lanka is that when Tamils talks about GOSL, they assume that GOSL are Sinhalese; the LTTE also successfully managed to portray them as synonymous with the Tamil people. Hence, when one attacks the other, it is perceived as attacking each other collectively. This is a big challenge for the negotiating parties.
Federalism Vs Confederalism
?Can federal or confederal solutions be negotiated to limit ethnic strife?? (Lincoln P. Bloomfield).
5 December 2002, Frances Harrison, BBC South Asia Correspondent
Quote: ?It used to be known as the 'F word' of Sri Lankan politics - but these days news that the Tamil Tigers are willing to settle for a federal system is being welcomed by peace activists.
One went so far as to say it was 'absolutely fantastic' because even many liberals had thought the rebels would settle for nothing short of a confederal system.
It's only the framework for a political solution and may still get bogged down in details and politicking, but it's a good beginning.
A confederal system would mean two parliaments and two prime ministers and two armies - something difficult to sell to sceptics of the peace process who fear the Tigers have not given up their hopes of a separate state despite protestations to the contrary.
And experts say confederal systems are often inherently unstable - with a tendency to break up into two countries.
But a federal system within a united Sri Lanka will be much easier to sell to the majority Sinhala community?. Unquote.
Frances Harrison wrote the above in 2002, and the general feeling at that time was that, LTTE would settle for a Federal model. So, what went wrong? In my view, the Sinhala polity was not ready; it was still squabbling, and still coming to terms with the reality that it needs to compromise to find peace. Since, there have been a lot of water have passed under the bridge, and a Federal model is openly been debated, and there appear to be consensus among the Sinhala polity that a Federal model is the answer. I believe this because; the GOSL appeared to have communicated to the IC to this effect.
On the other hand, the LTTE appear to have moved the opposite direction; away from a Federal model, why?
I believe this change towards a sense of hardening of their attitude came about as a direct result of the P-TOM episode. They believe that if the Sinhala polity couldn?t even agree to a humanitarian arrangement like P-TOM, what chance is there for a constructive dialogue. I think that they have every right to feel this way. It was a cardinal blunder on the part of the Sinhalese that they did not see the value of P-TOM that in conjunction with aiding the Tsunami victims, it would have brought the two parties together on a working relationship, and would have paved a way for a constructive engagement with Trust in place.
Hence, the disappointment of P-TOM is still playing a big part in the LTTE?s present mind-set.
As Frances Harrison stated, a Confederal model, two parliaments and two armies, would mean that the sceptics of peace will regards that LTTE has not moved away from separatism. Hence, it would be difficult to sell it to the Sinhala masses. We need to be realistic in the sense that without the consensus of the Sinhala masses, there will not be peace. My conclusion is that a Confederal model will not succeed for the simple reason that it will fuel the separation theory; but on the other hand, a Federal model will be easier to sell, and at the same time it will keep the country more united to keep the predators away.
Tigeress19, I am very aware about Tamil grievances, and also think that I know what is best for the Tamils collectively; this is why I have taken this stand.
Edited By - Ariyalai_SB - 16 Feb 2006 14:34:15 GM |
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