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asir
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22 Aug 2005 23:54:09 GMT Report for Abuse
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Lukshman Kadirkamar gone!
Anura In!
National debt Going up!
Time is running out!
Big cat doesn't need a war!
Time is on their side!
They do not have no debt!
Gasolene is on the rise!
Gosl holding, empty bag!
Poor people badey tight!
All the wansa's, running out of gas!
USA waiting on the side!
Tell them 'oh please take a bite, will give you military site'
Oh motherland! why do they cry!
Edited By - asir - 23 Aug 2005 00:05:49 GMT |
Mucha-linda
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23 Aug 2005 00:38:31 GMT Report for Abuse
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DUMINDAK:
I can clearly see the point you made and may need to agree to some of those because they are well established (Especially the points about Sinhalas attitude and that of Chinese towards other races).
However, I cannot agree to the level of generalisation you made there. If you are going to judge the attitudes of Tamils simply by analysing the Tamils we are seeing today in our daily lives, that is a major mistake. What my understanding is, the Tamils we are seeing today are no longer at their natural state but at an excited one.
Simply, you cannot expect an ordinary Tamil (especially someone from North) to analyse these things very logically and to support the Sinhalas with their fight against LTTE. In the current warring environment Tamils do not have (and are not allowed to) have their own general opinion. In the presence of a massively brutal force like LTTE, if any Tamils can harbor an opinion other than that of LTTE, he/ she must be insane. Just to make it clear, what I am saying is NOT that ordinary Tamils in the North have their own opinions and are hiding those because they are feared of LTTE, BUT simply they cannot have their own opinion other than that of LTTE. So, we should never come to any conclusion without taking these in to consideration.
TRUE. We cannot take our country geographically away from Tamilnadu. But, as long as India is stable (which is very unlikely to go otherwise in the foreseeable future) we cannot expect a military type invasion from Tamilnadu Tamils similar to that happened during the Elara's time. The maximum Tamils in South India could contribute to a struggle in Sri Lanka is the material support. If we does not mess up our relationship with Indian Central Government (as JR did), all we need to do to stop this material support from South India is Policing the Polk Straight with more Naval Force.
(Contd. on the following Post)
-Muchalinda
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23 Aug 2005 00:59:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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(Contd. from the previous post)
DUMINDAK (Again):
We cannot achieve any of the things I mentioned in my previous post without building a National Leadership. No country in the world can be developed without having an ownership to the country by a certain group of people. In turn, no one can effectively claim any ownership as long as they are weak (politically, economically, militarily etc). This is the problem in Sri Lanka. Our country currently DOES NOT have any owners. We all (including Sinhalas) behave like BOARDERS renting a BOARDING place.
Tamils, in deed cultivated and nurtured a Racist mentality at least as late as late 1800s among themselves.But, if this is the leadership we as the majority is going to give to our minorities, no minority can be expected to behave differently to Tamils. We could not be long away from Ahinguntikas claiming their own Motherland (of course with a myth of some 3000 years history) if we choose to continue our current leadership.
Therefore, one of the key issues we need to get fixed to solve most of the problems in Sri Lanka is empowering Sinhalas without discriminating other minorities (THIS SHOULD NEVER MEAN TO ANY READERS THAT WE ARE CURRENTLY DISCRIMINATING MINORITIES). Again, we cannot empower Sinhalas without having a national leadership. The importance of participating in web forums like this is we can educate others so that they can positively contribute to make a national leadership.
Finally, what I want to emphasise is that if we are ever going to follow anyone in this process, there is no point of looking into Cyril Matthews in the presence of Dutta Gaminis who was civilised enough to respect the slain Tamil leader.
-Muchalinda
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23 Aug 2005 01:28:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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Saintclair,
Who the hell are you saintclair to say that late Kadir is foolish because of his efforts to ban L.T.T.E in EU. You must probably be speaking on behalf of L.T.T.E murderers.
It is very clear for any one who has followed L.T.T.E behavior that they only need peace talks to save them selves from the international opposition because of the assassination of Mr. Kadiragamar.
It is ridiculous that you asking what else the government need other than the LTTE acceptance to hold peace talks. This may be true about the current regime which doesn?t have a clear vision about the ethnic issue.
First of all you must be reminded that LTTE will not agree to any solution other than a separate state or devolution of power which could eventually leads to a separate state. Therefore, there is no point of talking again and again with a brutal terrorist organization which has never given up their demand of a separate state.
Next, SL army has not been able to defeat the LTTE because the government is hesitant to take firm decisions to defeat tigers militarily. The Government is hesitant mainly due to the pressure from pro-LTTE western powers. These western countries do not let us deal with the terrorists the way which they do when they are attacked by terrorists.
Therefore, patriotic people of Sri Lanka should appoint a government which can lead the SL Army toward victory while persuading the world about the unfair demands of the terrorists. Then, traitors like saintclair will also rest in peace for ever.
Edited By - Parakum - 23 Aug 2005 02:43:54 GMT |
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23 Aug 2005 03:14:50 GMT Report for Abuse
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A QUICK NOTE ON LAGUAGES:
I was forced to write this after reading some of the very illogical arguments put forward by some Eelamists in this forum about Languages.
SHAN Wrote: Tamils in SriLanka can speak in Sinhala and they are good in it.
Yes, this is very TRUE. This again proves one of the points I raised previously. The problem in Sri Lanka is not bout languages, or not about History or anything else. It is about unwillingness of Tamils (pumped by the Christian West) to identify Sinhala Buddhist component in the country at its due place. These Eelamists had no problems identifying English as the official language though the VERY majority of the people in both the communities have not had any fluency in that. According to SHAN, Tamils are good in Sinhala as well. But when try to make it the Official Language they have all these grievances and dignity issues.
One can find thousand different excuses to justify their racist desires. But those excuses become baseless if the facts are against them. The arguments they have about the language issue is nothing second to the way they justify their willingness to have their own separate state. They clearly showed their willingness to have their own Eelam at least as early as 1949 (i.e. well before 1983 and 1956). But they use the 1983 riots to justify those racists claims.
SHAN also Wrote: You are expecting Tamils in Tamil nadu to speak in Hindi and Tamils in N&E of SriLanka to speak in Sihala. What for?
I do not want to comment on Indian situation because it is very different to ours. But in case of Sri Lanka they need to learn to speak SINHALA simply to better communicate with the MAJORITY of the country. In the same way they need to learn English if they want to use The Internet, since most of the web pages there are in English. When using The Internet, I never felt my dignity attacked or any other crap like that. So what is the issue?
-Muchalinda
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23 Aug 2005 07:07:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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1)some people are saying most of the tamils can speak sinhala.
me as a tamil i will disagree with that.majority of the tamils cannot speak sinhalam.
the tamils who speak sinhalam,they may have lived in where there is sinhala people lived.
2)then again i would like to agree on learning more than one language.it is very good .
if you learn more than one language you will not loose your identity,
in my view,the problem in lanka is a blunder created by the law makers at that time. |
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23 Aug 2005 07:43:48 GMT Report for Abuse
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Muchalinda
Yes, You are right, I have no counter comments. I agree.
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23 Aug 2005 11:19:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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Muchalinda,
No one forces you to have a belief; you believe what you want to believe. Please correct me if I am wrong, according to you, you want both Sinhala and Buddhism to have a foremost place in Sri Lanka. Is this correct?
Assuming that you believe this, if the Sinhala and Buddhism are superior than the others, then all the others are inferior; do you, or do you not agree with is point?
You claim that the Tamil Ideology is based on racism, and you are comfortable in asserting that there is no cast system within the Sinhala community; is this correct? If so, why is that the Govi Buddhists want marry within their cast, and isn?t there a drumbeating cast within the Sinhala community? I for one detest any cast system, or any sort of social hierarchical system. I know that you are not a fan of the LTTE, and neither am I in one respect; however, two good things have come out of LTTE, they are: eradication of cast system within their ranks and eradication of sexism; you should recognise this.
I accept that the Tamils need to learn Sinhala, in the same way I also believe that Sinhala should learn Tamil; this is the approach the successive governments should have taken, instead, they thrust the Sinhala language down the Tamils throats.
You are very liberally claiming that the Tamils are racists; you have no idea as to what it feels like at the receiving end; because you have never been there. You have several justifications to believe what you want to believe, and nothing more. You do not simply understand secularism, diversity, and pluralism.
Every Sri Lankan Prime Ministers and Presidents have recognised that the Tamils have genuine grievances, and wanted to rectify but failed (Bunda/Chelva pact, Dudley/Chelva, and many more) because of people like yourself; however, I must say that you make some good points.
In my view, you need to talk about, and promote the Sri Lankan Identity regardless of race, cast, colour, and creed. Presently, only the Sinhala Buddhists feel that they are true Sri Lankans, and all the others have been alienated including the Christians. |
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23 Aug 2005 11:31:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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You have made a good point ariyalai-sb,well done.
be care full some people often twist stories and drag you in to history and ask you for archaeological evidence for the tamils present in lanka about 10000 years ago.
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