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Mucha-linda
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20 Sep 2005 00:34:49 GMT Report for Abuse
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KURAL:
You told: if you think it's not the place to talk about 'Knowledge', sorry guy it's so not the place to talk about Lankan's heritage.
May I ask you how old you are?
-Muchalinda
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20 Sep 2005 07:07:47 GMT Report for Abuse
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Arialai_SB
you are claiming that LTTE was created by sinhalese Buddhist hegamany, but I understand it was created by a combination or forces including Tamil politicians,Marxist idealogy,US & Uk, India, and the Christian church.
I can see a similarity between LTTE and JVP. that is both are brainchilds of Marxism. Prabhakaran's father was a member of communist party so was Rohana Wijeweera's father. They received their marxist idelogy from their peers and according to marxism the main enemy of people is the ruling government. Without knowing each other they organised separate movements to attack the government and they justify it with available reasons. In a poor country like us they had enough reasons to show.
Then the US and UK was invloving with LTTE and Anton Balasinham (another marxist who was living in the capitalist UK) joined it with the blessing of UK secret service. Their plan was to destabilize India who was aligning with Soviet Union at that time but with the collapse of soviet union they stoped supporting.
Indian government also supported LTTE to destabilize Sri Lanka and to dictate their terms to SL government.
For Sinhala corrupt politicians LTTE was a blessing in disguise, they hide all their inefficiency and curruptions and put the blame on war.
Now the latest supporter for LTTE is the christian church. Church is very happy to prolong the solution so it can convert many Hindus to Christianity. their support is through NGOs and some European governments.
from the begining to now LTTE got so much support from different entities, serving for their own cause and at the same time targeting an eelam.
SO all the way to the end you will never see a slightest contribution by sinhala buddhist for the creation of LTTE. Sinhala Buddhist hegamony is just a myth and an excuse, the reality is different. |
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20 Sep 2005 14:25:09 GMT Report for Abuse
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Munchalinda,
Come on Munchalinda, the Sinhalese were already in power; you were, and are the majority community; you could form a government without the support of any minorities. You keep talking about privileges, but the Tamils only wanted you to show fairness, instead, they were used as political football to gain power. Still, you are not satisfied; you want to own the entire nation. The Tamil leaders suspected that the Sinhalese will enforce their hegemony, and they have been proved correct.
I was living in Jaffna during the seventies, when the radicalisation of the Tamils was at the highest point; the Sinhalese government did not care, because the Tamils were politically insignificant to them.
Let me ask you a question: suppose you made a complaint to the police, or another person made a complaint about you. A policeman arrives at your home to interview you, who could only speak Tamil; how would you communicate with him? Ok, you have managed to find a neighbour who could speak Tamil, and the policeman has managed to take down a statement; the statement would be obviously in Tamil, and you have been asked to endorse it; how would you feel?
Now, reverse this situation to the people in the North and East; in my view, the Sinhala people have no idea whatsoever as to what the Tamils went through. All you do is to glorify Sinhala Buddhism and give the fundamentalists the mussels they require to enforce your hegemony.
You are incapable of understanding that the authenticity of Sinhala Buddhist history is totally irrelevant to the point I have been making; that is, if one glorifies their identity and history means, he is implicitly claiming that he is superior. Why can?t you understand this simple fact? How can you then appreciate of me promoting the Sri Lankan identity? Can?t you see that your stand on this and the prospect of promoting a Sri Lankan identity are mutually exclusive? I am afraid my friend, you cannot have your cake and eat it at the same time. You must recognise the value of the Sri Lankan identity that transcends across the communal boundaries; please, please wake up for goodness sake!
Quote: ?ARIYALAI_SB, Would you mind providing any statement(s) of mine or any other logic I put forward to prove what you say. As far as I believe I have never advocated anyone to loose their Racial (or National) Identity (and I believe I am not suffering from Alzheimers Deseas). You may take this as CHALLENGE.?
I think that I have given you enough information to suggest that you are totally confused with both the Sinhala Buddhist and national identities. The question is, do you want a nation that is united, or two bleeding halves of a nation? This is what the Late Colvin RD Silva argued back in 1955; how true it had turned out to be. The problem I think that your sense of understanding of common good and the intricacies of ethnic relations has been blurred by your Sinhala Buddhist nationalistic ideology. You are an intellect, and possess the capacity to understand humanity; you of all people should know that history is only a record of changes, and changes are happening in front of our very eyes; so, why are you so hung up on this glorification of Sinhala Buddhism. As I said many times before, Buddhism is a wonderful religion, why do you want to complicate it with Sinhala and Sri Lanka. Does this mean a Tamil cannot become a Buddhist?
Yes, I am a Tamil, and a Sri Lankan, but am not too worried about being a Hindu, as it is a personal choice. Are you proud about the politicised Buddhism in Sri Lanka? Is it healthy to have monks in parliament? Why don?t you comprehend that you are doing a major disservice the Buddhism as a whole than any good? |
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20 Sep 2005 14:42:57 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dumindak,
I may or may not agree with what you have said; however, what you pointed out was how the LTTE has been shaped into an organisation that is today. But, you haven't explained as to how they came into being in the first place. What a surprise; if you attempt to explain, then you will stumble across the phenomenon of Sinhala Buddhist fundamentalism. It is not a myth my friend, rather it is very real indeed.
I think that you need to do some reading; there are several literatures available both on the net and in book forms for you to chew with. For your own sake, please take some time and study the issues. It is not as simple as you claim.
You will need to go back to the days of Anagatiga Tharmapala and work forward, then you will start to see things in different light.
The LTTE did not just drop out of the sky; you cannot just explain it with some wishy washy talk, I am afraid! |
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20 Sep 2005 16:15:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hello Ari SB
If you have decided and have some time to spend here enjoy teaching and treating Obsessive Disorder people. I cannot help you.
It is worth you can go through this forum Mucha was given left and right and top to bottom about his cooked up history of SL from BC to date. Thank God Lord Buddha was not born here. Imagine the plight of Tamils if he was born here.
Kasama
You said that you don?t know the history and if so this is not the place for appreciation. History is facts, names and figures. It is not accepting what ever and /or who ever suits and fits for your needs.
You can elect any PRZ who collaborates with the people spits anti Tamil venom day and night. If that brings happiness to you elect that person and be happy. Nothing will change in the N&E. |
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20 Sep 2005 16:32:14 GMT Report for Abuse
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| Oh My God! Is this the longest discussion ever on Lankanewspapers? 400 some posts. I am gonna get addicted to this. |
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21 Sep 2005 02:48:32 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB:
You asked me: suppose you made a complaint to the police, or another person made a complaint about you. A policeman arrives at your home to interview you, who could only speak Tamil; how would you communicate with him? Ok, you have managed to find a neighbour who could speak Tamil, and the policeman has managed to take down a statement; the statement would be obviously in Tamil, and you have been asked to endorse it; how would you feel? Now, reverse this situation to the people in the North and East; in my view, the Sinhala people have no idea whatsoever as to what the Tamils went through.
I can understand this very well. But this is the situation with most of the minorities in most of the countries. Are all those minorities engage in terror campaigns like LTTE does in SL. For example there are Afghans living down here in Australia who cannot speak a word in English. They are not fighting for a homeland or do not kill innocent Australians, but try their best to learn the language spoken by the majority of the country. None of them wants to make their mother tongues official languages of these countries.-
The reality is NO government in the world can make all the languages spoken by its citizens official languages in their countries. This is not a harassment or a source for a grievance. For example, think if we make Tamil an official language in SL (it is so now, anyway) to ease any possible grievance of the minority Tamils, should not we make Ahiguntika Language, Veddas Language and the Kaberi Language (spoken by the African descendents) also Official Languages to ease the same grievance they may have. So, where is the limit.
Having said this, I still believe if making another language an Official Language is going to save 65000 lives, it is worth doing though the demand for that is not just.
(Cont. on next post).
-Muchalinda
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Mucha-linda
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21 Sep 2005 02:53:43 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB Again:
About Glorifying Sinhala Buddhism:
Mister, your logic is very WRONG. If you think speaking about King Vasabha for building Massive Tanks or Speaking about Ven. Mahanama for writing a very comprehensive and well-founded chronicle is going to make Sinhala Buddhism glorified and if you think glorifying something is bad you may have second thoughts about your logic. If, for a moment we accept your argument, we should not then speak about First Manned mission to the moon or Pharaohs building massive pyramids or Issac Newton devising Newtonian Physics because it could glorify Americans, Egyptians and English respectively.
As I said previously, what I said are facts. If you want you may see it as a glorification. If it is annoying to you, that is your problem, with which I cannot help. But, if anything I said is wrong, then we can discuss.
Please understand. Sinhala is another Nationality like all the others in the world. So interact with them in the same way you interact with Norwegians, Canadians or British etc.
(I do not know why I have to repeat these things again and again. It is said that Shakespeare has never had to repeat anything. What a lucky guy).
About National Identities:
I am not confused about the above at all. We should be able to promote the National Identity without loosing our racial/ communal identities, in the same way people do that in other countries. Though you do not know, this is exactly what Mohideen Beg did and Muttiah Muralitharan currently doing. For instance, Murali promotes the Sri Lankan identity without loosing his Tamil Hindu Identity (I guess) and this is the exact way it should happen. Please try to understand.
About Colwyn R De Silva?s statement:
I believe the way Cowyn handled this clearly shows the real nature of our politicians. They never tried to solve the problem, but made it worse by trying to give incentives to the Tamil Separatist Mentality. Yes, what he said became true (to a certain extent). But that has happened largely due to the behavior of politicians like him. If he truly believed (not as a way of earning few more minority votes) making Tamil an Official Language is going to stop the Elamists mentality fed by Chelvanayakams since early 1940s, he must be nuts.
What I expect from an educated person like him is to convince the governments to handle any militant separatism with utmost force they have while encouraging the governments to economically develop the under-developed areas that provide human force for such separatist movements, and Not just giving into separatist demands to further encourage them.
-Muchalinda
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