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shan
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5 Sep 2005 13:23:59 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hello Mucha
Good to learn. I have bit more information and meet again.
Dear Kural
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tigeress19
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5 Sep 2005 18:42:29 GMT Report for Abuse
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Some people have ignored me and i can see they are clearly upset over what i wrote.
it is an example of the problem what we have in lanka.
they too have to understand that they too dont hurt others feelings,it is a very typical of some one that they love to hurt others and when they get hurt they run away.above all they call them self academics!!!! |
saleemtariq
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5 Sep 2005 20:25:24 GMT Report for Abuse
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Tigeress19,
How are people in Mullaitivu coping with lack of any facilities? A group of doctors sent by CHC said there were no proper accommodation to stay overnight. I am concerned about the Tsunami victims. The Sunday Times sub-editor wrote those days that LTTE and TRO cared and looked after them with limited resources at their hand? Do you hear anything from there to update the condition of those victims. Any help from NGOs or Govt. reaching them? |
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5 Sep 2005 20:44:57 GMT Report for Abuse
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Saleem
there is no government help at all,ltte and the tro are working hard to meet the victims daily needs,there is awful lot of thinks i can say but im really tied up with something.
but the peoples are not expecting any thing from the government anyway.
most of them are living in other people's houses,some are staying in tents provided by the ltte and tro.as far as i know peoples are taking care of each other in vanni.home medicine or ayur vetha medicine is one of the big business.
lack of medical equipments and medicine is the biggest problem in the hospitals but the victims are not dying.
peoples are much happier and enjoying freedom,most of the houses do have the solar power to power their houses,that is the hot topic most of the people talk about and are enjoying the electricity now.
if you ask me a particular topic,i should be able to answer to your question,now i do not know what sort of things you would like to know. |
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6 Sep 2005 00:26:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAN:
Responding back to someone elses arguments (facts) is not a mere Quote and Unquote exercise followed by some comments you think is appropriate. It should be an exercise of producing more evidences to disprove (if not accepting) what the other said, so that readers can come to a conclusion by themselves beyond reasonable doubts.
Unfortunately, what you have done is the first, not the second. I do not know whether you had enough time to go through what you wrote (Quote) before publishing it here. But on one occasion I saw you quoting even things like GOOD LUCK, -Muchalinda etc, from my previous post:-))).
FYI: 40% of the your last post directed to me was quoted from my previous post (i.e. 1363 words out of 3388 words total). I caanot understand why did you do that.
However, the real joke is people like Kaduvan, Kural and Tigress19 praising your reply which in fact is 40% Quoted. Seemingly, you guys (and Girls) are in a mutual understanding on scratching others itchy backs, though it is not going to work here. I would like to invite them to read your post first, before reading mine.
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PLEASE READ TILL THE END.
1) About SL as Sinhala Buddhist Country throughout the History:
I am pretty sure you did not understand what I said. But, if you read what I wrote with more patience, you will see the point I raised. Just to re-establish, proving Tamil presence in SL in the past does not going to make SL a non Sinhala Buddhist Country. To clarify it further, Tamil presence in SL and having well established Tamil settlements or having Independent Tamil Kingdoms are two different things. For example, France is a French Catholic Country. This does not mean that all the people used to live in France were French Catholics. In fact, during the WWII, the whole of France was invaded and controlled by Germans. Even an incident of such magnitude would NOT make France a non French Catholic Country.
I had to say this in my previous post because you wrote (Quoted) that there was a fairly good racial harmony between Tamils and Sinhalas during the early centuries. Yes, there would have been Tamils in Sri Lanka in those times and might have had a racial harmony because Tamils never tried to challenge the Sinhala Kings. Whenever they did that they were fought back by the Sinhala Kings as long as the Sinhalas were powerful enough to do that.
This should NOT again mean to anyone that there were Sinhala and Tamil regimes in SL throughout the History as equal partners and they fought with each other when ever one gained enough power to chase the other away. For example during the 1600 years of Anuradhapura Kingdom, invaders only managed to seizure the power for NOT more than an aggregated period of 170 years and all of those invaders are essentially NOT Tamils. Remember it is 1400: 200 approximately. Sometimes Numbers can better explain things than words.
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Mucha-linda
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6 Sep 2005 00:28:57 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAN Again:
2) Quote: your appointed last king in Jaffna was not a Sinhala Buddist. Tamil and Hindu. System was violated from 1200 in Jaffna You could not do anything. Your last Kandy king was a Tamil. He didn?t fight to the throne. System selected him.
I have nothing seriously against about the above you mentioned, because it is not going to disprove anything I said. More precisely, Arya Chakrawarthis ruled Peninsular Jaffna (Remember: Not a single square inch in the East) roughly for a period of 350 years and Portuguese took over the area thereafter (we discussed this very well in our previous discussion and if you want we can repeat them here again).
Also note, Sinhala Kings never considered these Rulers as Independent Kings or as Parallel Kingdoms, but treated them as mere local rulers who, on certain occasions behaved rebelliously (Refer to the examples I gave in my previous post). In fact, there were even few Sinhala areas controlled by ceratin Sinhala Rebellious chieftains ignoring the orders of the King. If you want I can give more evidence. Also, these Sinhala Kings never attempted to re-establish their complete control in Jaffna due to many reasons, one being them having their own headaches to get resolved at their immediate back yards. You may see the differences in the ways Sinhala Kings reacted to Portuguese Invaders and to Arya Chakrawarthis in this regards.
As you said, since 1739 to 1815 several Nayakkar Kings ruled the Sinhala Buddhist Kandyan Kingdom. In the same way Jewish Benjamin Disraeli became the Prime Minister of UK for several years, and UK was never considered as a Jewish State.
3) About Chasing the Tamils away by Sinhala Kings:
You wrote: It was not me and you are the one told rest of the Tamils are chased away or amalgamated to Sinhala society. Are you saying no to that now?
Yes, I am NOT saying NO to that now because I never said that Sinhala Kings chased away ALL the Tamils in my previous posts. The Tamils who opted to live here further was amalgamated to the Sinhala Society since they accepted the rule of the Sinhala King.Now, this should never mean that all of them converted to Buddhism or adopted Sinhala Names etc. But they were simply convinced (or forced) to accept the rule of the Sinhala King.
If you think I have ever said things in contradiction to this, please provide them so that I can withdraw those.
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SHAN Again x 2:
4) Quote: I don?t say I evolved from SL monkey. Yes SL Tamils would be from India. Another possibility is there could have been a land connection to India before this shallow pak stright. These influxes have started happening from BC onwards south Indian or Arians. So the history is so old not only they came, they managed to capture and rule it in BC it self. Can you imagine group of ten people crossing the sea and started ruling the well-established population? Either they should have come in large number or there should be supporting population.
It is nice to see that you are at least accepting that SL Tamils are not the descendents of those Homo Erectuses found at numerous locations around the country. I say this because there are some Eelamists believing things like this. However, as I have repeatedly said, there are no archeological, historical or any other form of scientific evidence to prove that present day SL Tamils are descending from those possible south Indian migration that could have taken place in pre-Vijayan era. If you have any evidence, please provide them without repeating the same question.
However, as I have previously said, all the prevailing evidences prove it otherwise, i.e The present day SL Tamils are descending from the influxes that took place after the Vijayan Migration (Please refer to the previous post for evidence).
Secondly, an invader need not to have a supporting community in the country for him to success. Vijaya, Portuguese, Sena and Guththika are examples. Think before you write.
5) Quote: Read this and see when Tamils started to come to this country where it was documented and when was that documented from your side itself.
Quote: 1.Vijaya is the central legendary figure in the Mahavamsa. He was the grandson of an Indi?.. in the late eighteenth century
Mister, what is wrong with you. Did you forget what you are standing for. I have no problems about this text with respect to our discussion, though the source is not given. Yes, Vijayan epic does give just a glimpse to the early settlements. But, what all it proves is the fact that Pre-Vijayan demography is not clear, but nothing else. If you want to prove something else, you need to give evidence. This is the way History and Archeology works in the rest of the world.
6) Quote: South Indian settlers were present according to several other historians. See the site I mentioned and other sites by your historians.
Brother, this is HILLARIOUS. Where did you mention the site? There is no URL given. Before talking about my inconsistencies, please pay some attention to read what you wrote before publishing them here.
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6 Sep 2005 00:33:31 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAN Again x 3:
7) Quote: Never been a MASS MASS migration to Jaffna my dear. How many thousands? Who were these Tamil Ariya Chac kings who were ruling in Nallur for generations? Before Portuguese arrived? Was it Sinhalease?
There in deed was a MASS MASS migration of South Indian Coromendal Tamils to Jaffna as documented by Dutch. At this stage, I would not be able to give you exact figures. But these have been accounted again by Prof. Karthigesu Indrapalan (probably the third most Hatred Tamil in the world followed by Laxman Kadiragamar and Vinayagamoorthi Muralitharan alias Colonel Karuna Amman).
7.1) About the Arya Chakrawarthis: We spoke this previously. The first Arya Chakrawarthi king is Koolangai Singai Aryan. He was crowned by Chieftain Pandi Malavan after bringing him from Madurai. All the rest of the Kings are some how the other descended from this King Migrated from Madurai except King Kurunchi Nainar and King Chenpagap Perumal aka Sapumal Kumaraya.
8) About Ishwaran Temples:
There is no point of repeatedly answering your questions because you know very well that you cannot defend yourself or prove what you said. Is there anything new in this. If you have those inscriptions you spoke about, please provide them. I am very keen to read them.
9) Quote: We dont speak like Indians speak. Did the Dutch asked us speak differently? On arrival to SL.
SL Tamil dialect is different to that of South Indians. But the fact is it has been phonetically proven to be 200 to 300 years apart from each other. Kannadi is a separate Language, and not considered as Dialect of South Indian Tamil. But the fact is Kannadi is said to have 600 years apart from South Indian Tamil. These are proven facts. So the differences between South Indian Tamil and SL Tamil is a result of a 200 to 300 years separation. If you speak that for at least 600 years SL Tamil is more likely to evolved as a completely separate language as that happened to Kannadi. So, if there are any differences, please aware that they resulted in a period of 200 years, not in 3000 years.
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6 Sep 2005 00:36:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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DEar Saleemtariqe,
Don't worry, INGO will look after Mulathive people, we don't need to bother about them, with the support of Bush.
No matter who looks after them as far as they have food, clothes, shelter and other basic needs, then they can think about whether they will continue to be christian, buddhists or hindus etc. |
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6 Sep 2005 00:46:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAN Again x 4:
10) Quote: You didn?t put up resistance to Portuguese! Or Dutch! Well done.
Yes, WELL DONE. Because this clearly indicates your History Knowledge. Before making this sort of nasty statements, please go and read Battles happened between Sinahala Forces and Portuguese at places like Danthure, Randeniwala, Gannoruwa, Mulleriyawa and Colombo Fort. To date, some of these Battles are considered as the most fearsome Battles Portuguese ever fought in their whole Imperial History.
FYI: In one occasion, Sinahala Forces surrounded the whole Portuguese Fort in Colombo and hold it surrounded for the next 22 months cutting off all the supplies to the Fort. It was said that amidst the scarcity of food, even the Cat meat were paid well by the Portuguese during this 22 months seizure which ended up them driving away from the Island permanently. Forces loyal to the Sinhala King have said to have fought 14 major battles against Portuguese Invaders and have managed to kill two Viceroys.
11) About Captain Percivals Intellect:
You questioned about the credibility and intelligence about the above mentioned British Captain. I never thought you would resume to tactics this low. I do not know from which University Capt. Percival graduated or what are the research papers he has lodged. But he is a Captain of the British Imperial Navy who has come across many different races and Jaffna could not be the only place he landed. According to the rest of his work, he has used the word Native to identify the majority people lived in the other parts of the island.
12) About King Senarath providing refuge to the Muslims in the East.
According to the various Historical accounts Portuguese competed with Muslims for the spices trade on the Western Coast and later it became a direct confrontation. Muslims have never had any of their own armies and had a fairly good trade relationship with the Sinhala King. So they came to the city of Kandy and pledge the Protection from the King, which the king in deed offered. He asked them to settle down in the Eastern areas and ordered them grow paddy abandoning the spices trade. Seemingly, the King was clever enough not to settle them down in areas close to the capital Kandy, which would have possibly ended up again in another confrontation between them and the Sinhala Traders. Eastern plains are the only area that was in the vicinity of the Kandian Kingdom having extensive irrigation systems for paddy cultivation.
King Senarath even allowed Muslims to beg food from Sinhala Villages until they cultivate their own harvest. In Robert Knox An Historical Relation of Island of Ceylon, it was said that in one occasion the Sinhala King punished one Sinhala Village who refused to provide food for the Muslims who started a new life.
If you ever think these are stories painted, please pass the credit to Robert Knox, not to myself.
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