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KURAL
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29 Aug 2005 21:48:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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Parakum,
Do you want to know what S.Kathiravelupillai, MP for Kopay said ?
Two Nations
Ceylon, now Sri Lanka, is the island home of two nations the Sinhalese and the Tamils. They differ from each other by history, territory, language, religion, culture and traditions. This is the undisputable fact of over two thousand five hundred years of Ceylon history. The Cleghorn Minute of 1797 records, Two different nations, from a very ancient period, have divided between them the possession of the Island. First the Cinhalese inhabiting the interior country in the Southern and Western parts from the river Wallouwe to that of Chilaw, and secondly the Malabars (Tamils) who possess the Northern and Eastern districts.
From these earliest times the Sinhalese and Tamils have maintained their separate identities and territories. Particularly the Sinhalese have always excluded the Tamils from their body politic in their struggle for existence and identity. Dutu Gemunu (circa 200 BC) the national hero of the Sinhalese could not sleep in peace with the Tamils ruling all around him. Even as late as the 16th and 17th centuries when the Portuguese came to Ceylon and conquered the Tamil Kingdom, the Sinhalese did not think that Ceylon was being invaded by a foreign power not did they even go to the help of the Tamils as a neighbour might have, having their own security and that of the whole island in mind. Rather they appear to have had a secret satisfaction at the conquest of the Tamil Kingdom.
A Sinhalese historian of today, Dr.G.C.Mendis writes, The Tamil Kingdom in the North grew in power until it extracted tribute from the South. Further, Fifteenth century Tamil influence over the Sinhalese court was considerable and Ceylon may have come under the rule of Madura or Tanjore but for the timely arrival of the Portuguese.
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Parakum,
I do not need you to feel sorry for me, thank you. I have already said that you are very well versed in your version of Sri Lankan history. You know as well as I do that there are several versions of Sri Lankan history, which have been tailored to suit people?s agenda; I am not saying that only Sinhalese who twisted the history, far from it. This is why I do not pay very much attention to the history, as it is not going solve our current issues at all, as we need to face them head on as it stands presently. I also do agree that I have been somewhat erratic in my replies that I completely disregarded your presentations; I have to tell you that there is nothing personal.
I believe that there is a small section of the Sinhala people who are hell bent on creating Sri Lanka as a Sinhala Buddhist state; their aim is to make Sinhala Buddhist as the sole owners of the island, and all the others are secondary, and accept their hegemony. My perception of the Sinhala Buddhist Fundamentalism (SBF) is as follows:
I will be a complete idiot, if I were to argue that the Tamil history in Sri Lanka is comparable or somewhat better to that of Sinhalese, far from it. Rather, you and your ilk?s dismissal of Tamil history, as if, it was a myth is what driving me to challenge your claims, which may, or may not be facts/myths.
I believe that in order for SBF to achieve their objective that is to create Sri Lanka as a Sinhala Buddhist state, they need the following:
1. They need to establish that Sinhala and Buddhism are inextricably linked, and Buddha had entrusted the Sinhalese exclusively to safeguard Buddhism in Sri Lanka.
2. They need to establish that the Sinhalese own the entire nation by providing historical authentications.
3. They need to demonstrate that all the other were invaders, and have no legitimate claim of any part of Sri Lanka.
4. They need to carry out the wish of the Buddha that is to create Sri Lanka as a Biddhist nation.
Since the independence back in 1948, your ilk started working, and they have progressively been infiltrating in all Sri Lankan institutions, shaping the course of the evolution of the country towards a Sinhala Buddhist state. These activities have been encountering obstacles; however, they were able to bulldoze almost all of them but the Tamil Tigers; here, they have hit a mountain, and not sure how to proceed.
Let me talk about the history now; you agree that there was a Tamil king called Elara who ruled over the entire nation between 210 ? 161 BC; in 161 BC the Sinhala King called Dutugemunu defeated him. This proves that Tamil history existed at least from 210BC, I am correct?
Nearly 34 years after Dutugemunu?s death, five tamils, Pulahatta, Bahiya, Panayamaraka, Pilayamaraka, and Dathika (103 ? 89 BC) took over the reigns, till Valagamba?s restoration; Mahavamsa is very clear that during this period these parties and their predecessors were Tamils; am I correct?
So, these facts invite the obvious historical authentication that large population of high standing people of Tamil origin existed in Sri Lanka at that time. Therefore, we can conclude that both Tamils and Sinhalese cohabiting by sharing religions, languages, and cultures during that period, and beyond. We can also conclude that both Sinhala and Tamil kings ruled Sri Lanka at different times; am I correct?
The Mahavamsa was written in Pali around 460 AD; Dutugemunu defeated Elare in 161 BC; so, this proves that both Buddhism and Hinduism existed pre 210 BC, as Elare reigned for 49 years.
I agree with you that evidence suggest that The Jaffna Kingdom existed with Nallur as its capital from 1215 AD 1619 AD. In 1619 it fell to the Portuguese some 115 years after they first landed in Sri Lanka. I also agree, during this period of Jaffna kingdom, briefly it also came under the kingdom of Kotte.
However, what I would like to establish here is that the Tamils have a significant history in Sri Lanka to warrant them absolute legitimacy that they too can feel, and claim they are true Sri Lankans. Do you agree?
Riots and massacres: I must tell you that you cannot conclude that it was only a few thugs of J.R who carried out the murders and destruction of Tamils. I was in Negambo at that time, and I saw with my own eyes that there were police, army, and navy who were colluding with the Sinhalese in acts of looting, torching, beating, and killing the Tamils and also destroying their properties. I was very lucky that day, as some local Tamils took me with them to a safe place. So, you cannot just say that only a hand full of people who carried out those acts.
Yes, I am fully aware that LTTE carried out some massacres; if you have read any of my previous posts, you will have learned that I condemned the killings innocents on both sides. I also believe that the LTTE attached the innocent Sinhalese only to stop the SLA carrying out the summary executions and indiscriminate shelling etc; however, nothing justifies the killing of innocent people. I also stated that the suicide missions are morally repulsive.
However, Mr. Parakum, you appear to live in a cloud cuckoo land, and play total ignorance to the mass killings, summary executions, rape and sexual violations, wiping out entire villages of Tamil people. In your book, doesn?t killing a Tamil by a Sinhala constitute a crime? You talk about, about 3,000 innocent Sinhalese were killed by LTTE; do you have any idea as to how many tens of thousands of innocent Tamils people have been killed by the Sri Lankan armed forces? Please, do not patronise the Tamils in this way! I am very sorry to say that the Tamils have been shown their place in Sri Lanka by your ilk. The Tamils never wanted the LTTE, but the Sinhala Buddhist hegemony has forced the LTTE on them, and there is no doubt about it.
You talk about the Kent and Dollar; do you know the story behind this farm? I will tell you; after the 1977 riots, this farm was set up by a Tamil Rehabilitation Organisation in order to house the displaced Tamils. Lalith Athulathmudali paid a visit once, and on his return, he instructed the SLA to drive out all the Tamils, and in their place they decided to colonise Sinhala convicts and their families. Did you know this fact? Those convicts were intimidating the local Tamils by thuggery, extortion, and rapes were reported too. These activities were ceased only after the attack of LTTE. Did you know this?
I do not object, nor any Tamil object to having Buddhist temples in the North and East; these temples have to be legitimate, by which they should be set up after acquiring due permissions etc. There is a big Buddhist temple in Nyna Thivu; did any tamil object to it at all? No. There were several Sinhalese living in the village alone where I was born and brad, we all mixed well indeed. There was one Sinhala family, whose children were similar age as my brothers and I, we grew up together, and we are still friends. The notion of yours that the Tamils are not receptive to the outsiders is a myth, and that is all. Since 1983, the Tamil population grew in the south, only because, the north and east were virtually war zones, and people had to choose whether they had to be in fire, or in hot water, and some of them chose hot water, and water was cool enough to survive!
I can point out many countries where politics and religion do not mix, and if anything the distance has been growing even wider. Why would you want Sri Lanka to be a backward looking country by allowing Buddhist religious order to have powerful say in politics? I have no problems with Buddhism and Sinhala being the major aspects of Sri Lankan affairs, as majority of the people are Sinhalese, and Buddhism being the majority religion; that said, why do you need to thrust Buddhism down everyone?s throats. Why can?t you advocate a system by which, the politics can function without any interferences from the religion? If you do not agree, what is the difference between Sri Lanka and an Islamic state?
Ok, lastly, you think that LTTE can be defeated militarily; then, why is this hesitance? What is stopping the GOSL from defeating the LTTE? I am not sure how old you are; however, if you are too old to join the SLA, you must send your children to fight the LTTE. It is no good, you sit in your armchair and mouthpiece, and you need to show action. The main Sinhala polity has come to the conclusion that war is not the answer, and that means, the only way forward is to have a dialogue; so, what is the difference between me and the Sinhala polity? Please wake up and see the light for goodness sake!
You are a Sri Lankan, and so am I; why do you want to feel that you are somewhat better or superior than me?
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30 Aug 2005 00:14:20 GMT Report for Abuse
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KURAL Again WROTE:
Quote: Muchalinda is only a big talker, i think such guys should be privated of the KNOWLEDGE.
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30 Aug 2005 00:56:28 GMT Report for Abuse
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HISTORY WORKS
Once upon a time, there was a self declared WARRIOR who made disproving MAHAVANSA, his personal mission.
He once wrote: ... sinhalas are saying Mahavasan is the Truth... i will continue to proof that it's not true...(1 Aug 2005 22:38:22 GMT, Post: 291)
HIS NAME IS KURAL.
ONCE THE CORRECT DOSE OF HISTORY WAS GIVEN (AGAIN FROM MAHAVANSA), AS EXPECTED, HE BECAME DEAF, BLIND, DUMB AND DISABLED.
After 4 weeks, he has shown clear evidence about his lack of interest on his personal mission any longer. He has become more interested on European and Indian History, an area Mahavansa did not discuss.
So..LADIES AND GENTLEMEN,
This is a clear evidence of the medicinal value of History. It still works. Different people, on different stages of thier lives will ultimately realise that they cannot find any contribution from History in justifying their struggle for a seperate homeland.
-Muchalinda
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30 Aug 2005 03:11:54 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAN:
Seemingly, you are inviting me to argue on another round of History. But I prefer to get the simplke things fixed, first.
1) Quote: I don?t care even if my parents just arrived form south India before my birth in Jaffna. I am not here to tell any cooked up stories. Do you think I am trying to cheat you?
: You need to get this absolutely correct. I am not preaching or advocating that Tamils are not belonged to Sri Lanka and therefore should leave the country or any crap like that. If you can identify yourself as a Sri Lankan though your parents could have arrived here just a day before your birth, that is all we need. For that you do not need to alter the known, well established history of the country. My understanding is, if anyone is not ready to recognise the main component of the Civilisation of a country, he is not ready to accept the identity of the country To be honest, I am fedup writing these things again and again .
Secondly, what I previously said and currently saying are not cooked up stories. If you ever think they are cooked up or marinated, please indicate those as applicable.
Thirdly, I am not saying that you are cheating me. But what I want to show you is how well you have been cheated by the Eelamists.
2) I do not think I really need to re-publish our previous discussion here again, since it may strech this web space to its limits. If you ever think that I am saying this because I am not having those postings to re-publish, please challenge me again.
3) SHAN: If you want to discuss the origins of Tamils in present Sri Lanka, you got to be consistent. I am emphasising this here again because you have clearly indicated your interest to discuss the topic in the same time showing your hesitation to go deep into the History.
So, this is something I cannot do. I cannot discuss the origins of Tamils without going into the History. I want you to clarify this inconsistency.
Once I get the above point clarified, we can commence our discussion.
-Muchalinda
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30 Aug 2005 08:10:27 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_AB and Nirupam
I appreciate your comments, but I regret that I can not send you a detail reply because I am very busy with my office work.
But I agree with at least 75% of Ariyalai_AB contents though with Nirupam it is less than 50%. May be once the time permit I will send you a reply.
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30 Aug 2005 16:42:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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Shan,
Brother look ... What is this muchalinda able to say...
without any valuable arguments , he can only say : blahblahblah....
Brother, you must understand that talking with him is so IMPOSSIBLE.
Muchalinda,
I in reality and sincerely do not trust fully the Mahavansa , it's why i do not build my history knowledge based only on this source written in 6th A.C, so 1100 years old after their first invasion ...
[[[ HE BECAME DEAF, BLIND, DUMB AND DISABLED ]]]
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30 Aug 2005 17:51:40 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear all
we had a good lession about history of lanka.usually tamils disagree with sinhalees who claim that lanka is a sinhala nation and vise versa ,however sinhalees continuesously ask for archeological evidence for tamils present in lanka for some thousands of years ago,(now sinhalees are confused and asking themselves that,are those brought out archeological evedence really belong to sinhala or tamils?)
but in this public forum tamils have waged against MUCHALINDA only and the rest of the sinhalees are seems to accept the tamils claim that they were the first one to this island and they have a unique identity compare to the tamils in tamil nadu.
i was shocked at one stage when muchalinda claimed,(kurundi vihara in kurundanmalai)that there is a viharai in kurunthur malai near mullaitivu.unfortunately m-linda,kurunthurmalai is a murukan temple built by the vannian king called pandaravannian and it is not far away from thannimurippu water tank which feeds the village called kumulamunai and it's people.(kurunthurmalai is in a deep forest,i have visited twice and i know it has a peak a natural peak not a man made one.or a pikku made one)it is in a ruined status now,because people do not visit there these days.)
comming to the point,
however hard mr,muchlinda love to argue and blackmail mr,shan will not change the tamils claims as the tamils are the legitimate owner of the north,east,and some part of west of lanka.
it has been agreed by the government too.(p-toms,CFA).mr.muchalinda seems to be stuck with maharavanse and i can only feel sorry for him however he is defending with what he knows.
any way ,there is only one little advise i can give it to him.HISTORY IS A PAST AND IT WILL ONLY DO GOOD TO THE MUSEUMS.SO PLEASE DO NOT READ THOSE HISTORY MAGAZINES,IT WILL ONLY MAKE YOU FEEL UGLY.LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
AS THE HISTORY WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE THESE DAYS...............
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30 Aug 2005 18:00:15 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear all
(HISTORY WILL NOT WORK ANY MORE)
we had a good lesson about history of lanka.usually tamils disagree with sinhalees who claim that lanka is a sinhala nation and vise versa ,however sinhalees continuously ask for archaeological evidence for Tamils present in lanka for some thousands of years ago,(now sinhalees are confused and asking themselves that,are those brought out archaeological evidence really belong to sinhala or tamils?)
but in this public forum Tamils have waged against MUCHALINDA only and the rest of the sinhalees are seems to accept the tamils claim that they were the first one to this island and they have a unique identity compare to the tamils in tamil nadu.
i was shocked at one stage when muchalinda claimed,(kurundi vihara in kurundanmalai)that there is a viharai in kurunthur malai near mullaitivu.unfortunately m-linda,kurunthurmalai is a murukan temple built by the vannian king called pandaravannian and it is not far away from thannimurippu water tank which feeds the village called kumulamunai and it's people.(kurunthurmalai is in a deep forest,i have visited twice and i know it has a peak a natural peak not a man made one.or a pikku made one)it is in a ruined status now,because people do not visit there these days.)
coming to the point,
however hard mr,muchlinda love to argue and blackmail mr,shan will not change the tamils claims as the tamils are the legitimate owner of the north,east,and some part of west of lanka.
it has been agreed by the government too.(p-toms,CFA).mr.muchalinda seems to be stuck with maharavanse and i can only feel sorry for him however he is defending with what he knows.
any way ,there is only one little advise i can give it to him.HISTORY IS A PAST AND IT WILL ONLY DO GOOD TO THE MUSEUMS.SO PLEASE DO NOT READ THOSE HISTORY MAGAZINES,IT WILL ONLY MAKE YOU FEEL UGLY.LEAVE THEM WHERE THEY SHOULD BE.
AS THE HISTORY WILL NOT WORK ANYMORE THESE DAYS...............
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30 Aug 2005 21:06:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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All this time, in this thread, we were 'served toddy' at the
Milk board. I hope atleast now we will be served with Milk.
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