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Mucha-linda
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29 Aug 2005 03:28:35 GMT Report for Abuse
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29 Aug 2005 04:43:23 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB:
Quote: So, you do not agree that there were 3 kingdoms when the Portuguese arrived back in 1505, and they were administrated separately until 1833. This tells me that you will never accept anything; if you are capable of twisting the recent history by this way, what chance have the ancient history.
Mister, I believe you are a grown adult who is capable of understanding a simple logic. First we need to get clarified who is twisting what.
I never said that there were not 3 kingdoms at the arrival of Portuguese or any nonesense like that. In fact there were more than three kingdoms at the time. What I said previously is that prior existence of kingdoms of their own was never a concern to Camerone Colebrooke Commission. Submissions of the above commission have nothing to do with the power structure existed at their arrival. Apart from British policy of Divide and Rule and other economic and administrative matters, the only concern the above commission had was giving some representation to all the ethnicities of the island, not the kingdoms. Representation given to the Burghers and Muslims is the best example to disprove what you said. FIRST SUBMIT TO THIS WITHOUT FURTHER TWISTING WHAT I SAID. You cannot hit SIXERS by criticising me for something which I never mentioned.
What TIGRESS19 wanted to play was Book Cricket. Seemingly, what you are playing here is Virtual Cricket i.e. WIN-Cricket.
Secondly, just to re-establish, there was not any independent Tamil kingdom in Jaffna at the time of arrival of British. The last Arya Chakrawarthi King to rule Jaffna is King Sankili Kumaran II (1617-1619). British took over the control of Jaffna from Dutch, not from Tamils. If you want, I am ready to discuss these further as time permits.
Thirdly, the Arya Chakrawarthi kingdom of Jaffna that lasted for approximately 400 years was also not so independent as many Eelamists prefer to believe, but came under the rule of the main Sinhala king. According to an inscription found at Medawala-Kandy,dated 3 rd regnal year of King Vickramabahu III, The Jaffna King Martand (Kunapushana Singhai Aryan) was introduced as the Chakrawarthi. King Vickramabahu was recognised as the Chakrawarthi Swamin Wahanse (The lord of the Chakrawarthi).
I do not know how old Katharagam exactly is. If you know, please tell me.
Finally, I do not want to comment on the last bit you said, since it has nothing to with our main topic of discussion. We can discuss this on another instance.
GOOD LUCK.
-Muchalinda
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29 Aug 2005 05:45:26 GMT Report for Abuse
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SHAN:
1) I never insulted you or did any wrong doing like that by mentioing your name in a posting I made to my friend ARIYALAI_SB. I just used your name to indicate him that I have already discussed these things with you to a great great extent and reposting those facts again was just a matter of time. The last thing I wanted with ARIYALAI_SB was arguing again on Arya Chakrawarthi Kingdoms of Peninsular Jaffna. I used your name in that regards. That is it. That is all.
2) Since you have NOT mentioned anything seriously contradicting with what I posted previously, I see no point for re-publishing the whole argument we had again here in this discussion. But if you or anyone else want, it is just a matter of few minutes.
3) Quote: I don?t under estimate your knowledge in history.
Thanks for the appreciation of my knowledge on History. But I prefer if you can appreciate the History itself. To make it clear, if I ever proved or disproved anything during the argument I had with you, it was not because of my knowledge on History, but solely due to the way History was.
4) Quote: Your president is giving order to the jaffna commander now Does that mean the whole population in jaffna is sinhalease? If Jaffna is under SL control that does not mean the population should be Sinhalease. Your military is erecting Buddha statue in N&E does it mean now the population is Sinhala Buddhist?
CORRECT. Such a finding in the future should never mean that Jaffna had a Sinhala population. But it should also never mean that Jaffna was populated by Tamils either. What should someone in the future decide from such a finding is that there were Military Commanders in Jaffna who were given orders by someone called Chandrika. That is it.
5) I never answered your questions like whether Tamils were kicked out of Tamil Nadu etc, because of a reason. In the first place, I wanted to be precise and well bounded. Therefore, I never wanted to argue about the origins of present day Tamils in Sri Lanka when our main concern was something else (i.e. Arya Chakrawarthis). Secondly, if someone is believing a myth or spreading a lie, what first needs to be done is convincing people what she/he is saying/ believing is a lie. Truth can be revealed later, once this was established. If you want I am ready to discuss this with you as time permits, provided you are seriously interested.
GOOD LUCK.
-Muchalinda
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29 Aug 2005 05:54:16 GMT Report for Abuse
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ASIR:
Can you please further explain what you meant by the
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Quote: Accordingly, there are two ways to reach or receive his grace to bypass this maayam. One way is dwaia (with form, christianity, vaishnavism, budhism etc), and the other is adwaita (without form, saivaism, islaam etc.). Most religions are/have over time incorporated both.
Cheers.
-Muchlinda
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29 Aug 2005 06:10:26 GMT Report for Abuse
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PARAKUM:
Brother, you are a genius. And also remember, the backup defense is always there whenever you want them. This is a gurantee. However, it is very unlikely for someone to penitrate your front defense.
I also saw your comments on how Arya Chakrawarthis of Peninsular Jaffna were subjugated by the Sinhala Kings of Kotte etc. Just to add, a recent stone inscription recovered from a Medawala Kandy revealed an agreement made between an Arya Chakrawarthi by the name Martand (Kunapushana Singhai Aryan 1348-1371) and the Kotte King Vickramabahu III (1357-1374, aka Nissanka Alakeshwara), a relatively weaker Sinhala king. The agreement was made on the third regnal year of the Sinhala King. The Inscription clearly identifies Martand as Chakrawarthi while recognising the Vickramabahu as the Chakrawarthi Swamin Wahanse (The lord of the Chakrawarthi).
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29 Aug 2005 06:19:06 GMT Report for Abuse
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KSAMA:
Thanks for the appreciation. However, Leuven or NZ does not ring any bells as far as I am concerned, my dear.
However, after seeing your thoughts about PERA (Quote: We should have met many many years ago), I wonder why I cannot make any bells ringing for you:-))))).
-Muchalinda
PS: Forget about that. I have someone to ring the bells for me:-)))
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29 Aug 2005 06:37:41 GMT Report for Abuse
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WELL SAID FAIRPLAY.
YOU JUST GAVE ME A VERY GOOD LESSON. BUT BELIEVE ME, I WOULD STILL NOT GENERALISE WHAT YOU DID, TO ALL THE TAMILS, AS SOMEOTHERS WILL.
THANKS.
-Muchalinda
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29 Aug 2005 11:16:23 GMT Report for Abuse
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Mucha
Thank you. Have you read my post before you replied? Don?t you know what I am interested to know from you? Please read the comment again.
Because lot of crap is going at this moment and this forum is still active I think it is a good idea to publish the discussion including Kurals. I think other also still can contribute.
I don?t care even if my parents just arrived form south India before my birth in Jaffna. I am not here to tell any cooked up stories. Do you think I am trying to cheat you?
I wrote about what I see in Jaffna like what you see in Apura.
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I never answered your questions like whether Tamils were kicked out of Tamil Nadu etc, because of a reason. In the first place, I wanted to be precise and well bounded. Therefore, I never wanted to argue about the origins of present day Tamils in Sri Lanka when our main concern was something else (i.e. Arya Chakrawarthis). Secondly, if someone is believing a myth or spreading a lie, what first needs to be done is convincing people what she/he is saying/ believing is a lie. Truth can be revealed later, once this was established. If you want I am ready to discuss this with you as time permits, provided you are seriously interested.
I do agree and believe we started like that. Please go ahead if your time permits and I am really interested.
Back to the point, because I wanted to tell you that no point of digging who was the first to come. Recorded Tamils history is very old from mahavansa it self. All around the world migrations have taken place. USA is made of almost all migrated population. Hindu and dravedian traces can be found in Pakistan also. Population never been static.
Kural Published a list of Arya Chak, were they ruling sinhalas in Jaffna? When Portuguese arrived how much support you gave to this Sihala kings in jaffna? Very recent one you can tell me who were the generals you send the battalions names and the number involved and how many died if YOU KNOW.
Do you have any dispute in the summary I published and the source. It clearly reflects the ethnicity of this country. I don?t think you are going to rewrite the whole thing again.
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29 Aug 2005 20:46:51 GMT Report for Abuse
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Fairplay,
well said.
Shan,
thanks to support my idea.
But sorry bro, i cannot (want not) continue to talk or argue with guys who believe that my posts are only :
'blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...blah... blah... blah...'
It's waste my time as you said.
Muchalinda is only a big talker, i think such guys should be privated of the KNOWLEDGE.
But Shan i'm not saying you that i will completely stop the fighting. I will ever defend my Shaiva Culture, my People, and my Country.
Bro, i have a great project ... I want (will) write a book about the great and heavy heritage of Tamils for the actual present world...
Without tamils, i don't if the world will be as now...
Their contribution is hughe and immense, it's why it's impossible to talk about that here in a public forum ...
The actual industry world began with the Great Discoveries of the millenium, the finding of the New World (America) and the finding of how reach India by the sea ...
Historically talking the industry in europe was first developped in Great Britain... It's as that the wool industry became the first industry...
An astonishing fact, this wool was imported (the wool was not paid, it was stolen) from India and after it was resold in India as finished clothes ... it was under the British dictature ... IT WAS ONLY A GREAT BUISSNESS FOR BRITISH AND FOR SOME TRAITORS.
The question is so, do the contact between Indians and Western (as the contact between Neandertalis and Sapiens Sapiens) have change a thing for the actual world ? The answer is certainly yes...
economicaly, socialy, culturaly, and technologicaly .....
Another fact,
it's from this date that Science Knowledge in the west and in the world have begin to explode...
Newton the lyer (Thanks him to have repeat what Aryabhatta said one millenium before him), Ramanujan the Great(One of the best known Indians mathematicians), Galileo (Thanks him for his understanding about the Earth, Moon, Sun and other celestial objects), Einstein(Thanks him to have definished what is Energy), Fermat (Thanks him for his contribution in Mathematic, and for his hard problems), Tesla (Thanks him for the building and begining of the Electric era), Curie (Thanks her for his understanding of Radioactivity), and
many many others...
As you can see since Europeans found how reach India in boat, the world have muted ... only effects and karma ...
It's what i will try to summarize and explain in my book, it's a very hard and complex subject, i need a lot of time to finish to assembly all necessary proofs and documents.
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