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asir
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27 Aug 2005 18:59:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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I have a strong feeling that kathir was killed by a shadowy singhala movement. There is absolutely no need for the boys to get at him at this moment. He didn't get his premiership and there were some problems regarding this and kathir didn't realize that they looked at him as a tamil.
In srilanka they vote for those who tell the best lies and never deliver on their promises. Any politician who cannot lie has no room for politics in srilanka. Can an honest person deny this?
Speak my dear brotheren! and speak honestly! we have earned a name for this long before this war started!
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Pera
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28 Aug 2005 02:36:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Kural,
Being a good obedient citizen, I never see any killings in Sri Lanka. Only very high number of suicides.
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28 Aug 2005 09:26:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_AB
Many comments in your post have no meanings because those are totally different from the reality. There are so many contradictions in the comments itself. I have no objections for your ideas because those are personal, but I dont see you as a modarate tamil. If you called yourself is a modarate then the guy who pulled the trigger on Mr. Kadiragamer also a modarate tamil.
If you think that sri lanka should be a secular state I agree with you. But I am happy to tell you that it is already a secular state except North and East.so unless tamil people change themselves you can not make the whole country a secular and plural state(whatever you call)
That is why you can see all religions are being practised in the south and tamis, muslims and sinhalese are living together.
So people like you have a bigger job ahead. Rather than canvessing for LTTE, you must try to educate tamil people on how to live with different races and Before you talk about sri lankan plural country, try to create a pluralistic tamil society.
The task of the so called moderate tamils is not to defend murders, or child solders, but to educate inward looking tamil society to live with outsiders.
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28 Aug 2005 14:43:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dumindak,
I must not be too harsh, as you appear to be a reasonable person, but confused some what as to what is moderate, and what is not.
To be honest with you, I am not too worried as to how you categorise me, as your perception of the meaning of the word, may be very different to mine. As far as I am concerned, over a period of time, since the independence back in 1948, the Tamils have been radicalised. CBK herself has said it publicly that Sri Lanka has failed in the task of nation building.
What is the difference between me, and the main Sinhala polity? I have been saying without deviating that there should be a dialogue between the government and LTTE; this is exactly what both Ranil and CBK are saying, and as are the vast majority of the Sinhala people; so, surely, you cannot class me as a murderer in this regard! If you do, I am afraid that the vast majority of Sri Lankans are too murders.
I have said very clerly in one of my posts that I disapproved killing of innocent people on both sides, particularly, I called the suicide missions are morally repulsive; so, how did you arrive at your conclusion?
No matter how badly you hate the LTTE, you must recognise that in the ISGA, they have stipulated that no religions will assume prominence, and LTTE are not rooted to any religious ideology. I am afraid that the Tamils know how to live with other people, and if anything, it is the Sinhala hard liners who are the spoil spot for the entire nation; please note that I did not generalise by saying ?Sinhalese?.
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28 Aug 2005 14:45:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dumindak,
Who drove the Tamils away in 1956, 1977, and 1983? Is it because the Tamils did not know as to how to live among the others? Please think before you write!
All I have been saying; people must face the reality; the LTTE is not going to go away, and I believe that they are the direct result of mismanagement of the Sihala polity. The main losers have been the Tamils; do you have any idea about what has happened to the North and East? Do you have any idea as to how many villages have been uprooted? Do you have any idea as to how many women have been raped, and sexually violated? It is the Sinhala hard liners, who blindly want to enforce the Sinhala Buddhist hegemony, and have driven the Tamils towards the LTTE. It is the job of all of us to move the Tamil people away from radicalism, and there is only one way, that is to negotiate. So, if you think that I am a murderer, I am afraid, you have no concept of understanding the intricacies of conflict resolutions. You cannot turn the clock back; we have to resolve the issues that are in front of us; these are my views. If you are one of those who advocate war, I am afraid that you will see me as a LTTE sympathiser, hence, I am a murderer.
You said I quote: ?Many comments in your post have no meanings because those are totally different from the reality.?
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28 Aug 2005 21:51:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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Domindak,
Most Tamils are moderates. When they read extreme racist materials and lies like the one Waruna wrote that it was a Christian who killed the ex-PM SWRD Bandaranayake (a Sinhala-Buddhist monk killed him), many also write that terrorism was started by LTTE whereas the TRUTH was that governments organised riots in 1956, 1958, 1961, 1968, 1977 and 1979 to kill Tamils and Muslims and destroy their properties and businesses. 1st time LTTE used terrorism against Sinhala Army was in 1983.
When we read distorted and facricated lies we are angry and react ina way that you think we are extremists. For last 50 years we are chaeated and discriminated, all we hear about lies and more lies, every action has reaction. |
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28 Aug 2005 22:12:41 GMT Report for Abuse
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Domindak,
All the religions are in harmony in the Northeast.
Sinhalese killed Muslims in 1915. Sinhala Buddists destroy churches and Temples in the NE. Sri Lankan Air Force bombed churches and temples in the Northeast. If you want evidences I can provide. LTTE chased Muslims out of Jaffna, which they apologised for and it was a blunder, because Sinhala leaders manupilated the political events to divide the minorities and LTTE fell into the trap.
You must read the headline in this forum 'US warns Lanka on religious bill '. Only in Sri Lanka you bring a bill to punish people with imprisnment for religous conversion. Is there any country which is as intolerable as SL? |
ksama
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28 Aug 2005 23:38:23 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Pera,
How on earth you learn to ....
I cannot start for a few seconds (minuites) reading the posts in the forum as soon as I finish reading any of your post.
Can you teach our other members your skill to make humour in any situation , no matter it is a wedding or a funeral. I really like you pera, can't help now, it is too late. We should have met many many years ago (I suppose).
BY the way, Dear Muchalinda, Leuven rings you bells? NO. OK, then. NZ? No need to worry dear, I really apreciate your posting, that type of history need by our youngsters eventhough, you loose yourself sometimes, that doesn't matter as far as anyone contribute a great extent to the forum, and you are one of them. Thanks again.
But Pera, keep posting your humour, please. You give me a very pleasent time, when I was very tense some-time.
I really thank you for it.
And Tigress 19, and son of eelam, I miss you sometimes, deear.
Edited By - ksama - 28 Aug 2005 23:40:18 GMT |
Parakum
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29 Aug 2005 00:17:20 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB
Ariyalai_SB, I really feel sorry for you because you keep on repeating the same thing without countering our arguments. I have also realized that there is no point of providing facts since you don?t seem to analyze those.
When ever there is a dispute over land between two civilians, the courts examine the pedigree of the deed and the evidence for occupation etc from both parties who claim the land to be theirs. Imagine if this is a court hearing, you would already have lost the case since you neither have a deed nor any evidence to prove your claim. Just by writing emotionally, you can?t prove that Tamils have a deeply rooted history in the island. Therefore, at least this time, I request you to reply based on the facts I provide.
I didn?t reject that there was a Tamil kingdom in the island when Portuguese landed in 1505.There was a Kingdom and it was limited only to the Yapanaya (Jaffna) Peninsula. This kingdom is believed to have started in 14th or 15th century. Most of the time, it remained as a tributary region to the Kotte kingdom. Once it had declared autonomy but was subjugated soon by the king Parakramabahu the 6th of Kotte in late 15th century. However, this insignificant kingdom ended when it fell to Portuguese in 1619.
Arialai, I would like to ask you a very important question. Do you agree with the fact that the above mentioned Tamil kingdom was limited only to Jaffna Peninsular? If not, I request you to provide facts to prove what ever you say.
If you haven?t seen Christian missionaries convert thousands of poor Buddhists and Hindus, you can observe many rural villages in almost every region including Anuradhapura. This process of unethical conversion is clearly visible even in the areas where up country Tamils live. I do agree that people have the right to change their faith if they are convinced that some other religion is much better than the one they practice. In this natural process, roughly the equal number of followers can be exchanged between faiths and it does not harm the existing religious and cultural structure of the state. Most of the monotheistic religions (especially Christianity and Islam) generally do not have a history of co-existence with other faiths. Therefore, unethical rapid growth of this kind of religions will further complicate the society in the island. On the other hand, Hindu practices have long been shaped the Sinhalese-Buddhism without any conflict.
Quote: the Sinhalese attacked Tamils in 1956, 1977 and 1983 so you claim that it was because of missionaries!
The majority of Sinhalese really regret about those incidents, especially about 1983.Statistics reveal that 357 Tamils were killed in 1983 and Tamil properties were damaged badly. However, most of the Tamils who faced this tragedy know very well that their neighboring Sinhalese protected them from the thugs of J.R. regime.1983 was clearly not a riot by Sinhalese public against ordinary Tamils but a state sponsored violence lead by few hundred thugs of then UNP regime. If Sinhalese public did this, similar incidents could have happened in later years since there were many provocative incidents from the LTTE side such as the massacre at Sri Maha Bodhi and the bombing of Dalada Maligawa.
Arialai, if you are not blind and deaf, you must probably have heard of the planned massacres of Sinhalese by LTTE at Aranthalawa(Bhuddhist monks), Dollar farm and Kent farm,Sri maha Bodhi at Anuradhapura and Pettah bomb aimed at civilians. Since 1983, LTTE has been massacring innocent Sinhalese and Muslim villagers in North and East as a part of their ethnic cleansing. More than 150 massacres by LTTE were reported up to the year 2001 and the total Sinhalese and Muslim deaths were reported to be above 3000. In each incident, poor Sinhalese villagers were brutally massacred including their infants. Can you justify these slaughters as a part of the war with the SL army? If SL army and the Sinhalese society acted in this way, this island would have become another Rwanda or a Bosnia where the minority is killed by the majority when ever they encounter. It is ridiculous that you are talking about a secular state while appraising a ruthless terrorist organization which is openly engaged in ethnic cleansing.
During the very same period, Tamil population in the Sinhala Majority areas has increased up to 60% of the total Tamil population of the island. This is a good example of ethnic tolerance of Sinhalese people. Tamil people and the LTTE do not tolerate any Sinhalese presence within their mythical boundaries because SL army is in war with LTTE (war is the given reason. I don?t believe they will tolerate Sinhalese even if there isn?t a war). Conversely, Sinhalese people do not resent Tamil presence in the south although LTTE has been blasting bombs and massacring Sinhalese villagers continuously. So, which society is more tolerant?
I would like to ask you to give a good example of a Secular state. In my view, state and religion are two important elements in any society. It is not surprising those elements affect each other. Secular societies developed in the west in recent centuries while SL has long been more secular than many western societies.
You ask me that if Sinhalese are so receptive to other cultures, how do I explain LTTE and how did Tamils became radical.
If you visit Colombo; you can see numerous Hindu temples, Churches and Mosques in and around the city. You can see the same scenario in any where else in the Sinhala majority areas. Even in the history, Sinhalese king were always receptive to other cultures. For example, during 16th and 17th centuries, Sinhalese Kings have resettled Muslims in Batticloa and Kandy when they were persecuted in Colombo by Portuguese and Dutch. Similarly, Catholic missions led by Fr Joseph Vass were allowed in Kandy by King Wimaladharmasurya -2 in 1690.
LTTE is a ruthless terrorist organization which fights for a mythical Tamil homeland based on weak theories made by the Tamil nationalists during the 20th century. This dictatorial organization has survived within the Tamil community by destroying every one who raises a voice against it. It has survived the SL army largely due to the political protection given by the west. Hesitation of the political leaders in the south to take firm actions against the LTTE is another reason for their survival.
Therefore, LTTE exist because of the above mentioned reasons and not because of the lack of receptiveness of the Sinhalese society to non Sinhalese.
You may be happy to see that the war between SL army and LTTE comes to a stalemate. In the world history, even the wars fought between similarly strong parties rarely ended up with stalemates. Therefore, there is no doubt that 150,000 strong SL army can easily defeat the LTTE terrorists of 10,000 cadres. I have noticed very well that LTTE sympathizers such as Western governments, NGOS, Catholic and Christian churches in SL have always been trying to convince the SL government and the public to hold negotiations with the LTTE. These evil non-nationalist forces are exaggerating the strength of the LTTE in order to create the mentality in the south that LTTE can never be defeated.
Ariyalai, no matter how many times you guys repeat this myth, patriotic people of SL know very well that LTTE is merely a paper tiger and it can be eliminated from our motherland never to return.
Parakum
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