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Ariyalai_SB
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24 Aug 2005 16:27:07 GMT Report for Abuse
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Waruna,
Please don?t talk nonsense; as I said many times before, the Tamils never opposed that Sinhalese living and working within the North and East; this is the myth that you want to spread, and it is music to you and your ilk, and nothing more. However, the Tamils opposed the state sponsored Sinhala colonisations in the Tamil heartlands; this is the fact; if the Sinhalese want come and live in North and East by their free will, just like the Tamils living in other areas, there will be no issues for the Tamils. In fact there were several Sinhala families living and working in Jaffna when I was growing up, and everyone mixed well. Your theory of all the Tamils are racists is utter rubbish; those who don?t agree with your form of majorityism are all racists; you do not understand as to what racism is full stop; you are a very sad man indeed. |
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24 Aug 2005 20:17:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dumindak,
If you are saying that you are a saint, i'm sorry i don't believe you...
I too suspect many sinhalas to have more than one login...
So pls can the people stop to talk without knowning what is happening behind their screen. (I'm asking if they know what does mean Cyber-Internet .) It's an universe bigger than they believe.
In any case , not every body have surnatural power to know the reality. It's why you will never be able to imagine (know) with who you are talking, and so pls be more respectual towards them.
Last thing, dumindak maybe you are an english educated person, but i'm sorry you are not very friendly, or gentleman...
why ?
As i saw, you accused Ms Tigeress19 to be TamChboy, it's not very justifiable from you to say such things...
What are the reasons ?
After you, Tamils have sex problems and so change their sex often, dumindak i'm sorry to ask you that but don't you have a real neurologic problem ?
Or are you just an inconscient (immature) person ?
But the fact to have other people who are supporting your sayings, can be a real danger for you and them...
Those persons will recognize themselves and will understand that what i'm saying is not entirely false and stupid , not as what many sinhalas thinks about the tamils...
dumindak , it's why i ask you to be more tolerant towards the non-english educated person , thank you.
I too send this letter to muniraj16, dear friend i'm sorry to don't send you a letter specially for you, i think one example is enough to proof what is the non-sense talking , coming from you ,dumindak , and others.
you wrote,
[[[[[ they were promoting gay activities and a bunch of gay people and the frustrated butchers were using them as sex toys ]]]]
What is the real nature of this speech ?
The mind of the person who wrote that is not very developped.
Promoting hatening against Tamils, will not resolve the conflict.
It's pathetic and hypocrits when i hear the same person saying [[[[sympathize for the poor mentally weak people]]]]...
I'm asking of what is he talking about ..
First i think he should recognize himself in what he said.. |
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24 Aug 2005 20:33:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear muchalinda,
many objects were found in tamil area too.
-Anceint rock Brami inscription newly discovered in Trinco Verugal,mavdychchenai,Kalaady rock.
-pottery ring well discovered in jaffna-velanai-chatty-by.DR.P.Pusparatnam.
-ANAIVIZHUNTHAN POTTERY STATUE, KILINOCHI. THIS ARTIFACTS ARE MORE THAN 2000 YEAR OLD.
-Anceint rock step cutting newly discovered in Trinco Verugal,mavdychchenai,Kalaady rock.
-Ancient clay stamp seal-more than 2000 year old-discovered in kilinochchi-akkarayan.
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Thousand other objects were found .
For more details go to see
http://www.eelavision.com/?gallery=5008
in any case, if you want or not, it's proof that an anciant advanced civilization lived in the actual tamil area more than 2000 years ago.
Edited By - KURAL - 24 Aug 2005 20:34:46 GMT |
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25 Aug 2005 00:53:39 GMT Report for Abuse
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Ariyalai_SB
I?m really surprised to see that you are talking about an amalgamation of Sinhala and Tamil kingdoms by British. Can you please explain how it happened? What was the geographic are of this mythical kingdom. Is it the same which LTTE claims as Tamil homeland? Did any Sinhalese or Muslims live in this mythical kingdom?
Dear friend, whole world knows that archeological evidence of Sinhalese civilization is found through out entire North and East including Yapanaya peninsular. Mahawansa, the chronicle of this civilization is also coherent with these archeological findings.
One of the best evidence for the fact that the eastern province belonged to the Kandian kingdom is the famous book written by Robert Knox in 1683 A.D. According to Knox, his crew of 16 Englishmen was arrested by a Sinhalese Adigar in the year 1659 when they entered one of the harbors in eastern Sri Lanka (Ceylon derived from Sinhale). Then they were taken in to the capital city of Kandy where they had to live as prisoners.
Further, Sinhalese sources as well as Portuguese and Dutch sources provide evidence that King Rajasinghe-2(1630-1682) was fighting to expel Portuguese and Dutch from east. Once he was able to capture the fortress of Thirikunamale(Trincomalee) from Dutch.I f there was a Tamil kingdom in the east, what were they doing. Can you find a single evidence that Tamil kingdom in the east was fighting against Dutch or Portuguse.
I respect the great South Indian empires like Chola or Vijayanagar empires. Those kingdome had an enormous influence even in distant areas such as Indonesia and mainland South East Asia.Present day Tamilnadu region has an enormous amount of archeological evidence of a distinct Tamil-Hindu civilization. This tip of the Sub Continent had always been independent from great empires such as Mauryas or Mughals. Only under British, Tamilnadu region became a part of India politically. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that there had been an independent Tamil kingdom in South India. If Tamils have grievances of losing their independent kingdom, present day India is the place where Tamils have been subjugated in to a British made country. However, we can?t see any strong Tamil movement in Tamilnadu to become independent from India.
We don?t say ( even Muchalinda has not said) that Sinhalese are superior than Tamils. What we emphasize is that the Sinhalese-Buddhist culture in this island does have the right to be set in the foremost place. Imagine if British did not conquer the country and Tamils continued to immigrate. Then they would well have accepted the Sinhalese hegemony. Accepting Sinhalese hegemony does not mean that Tamils or any other group have been treated as inferior. For example, Anglo-Saxon ?Protestant hegemony prevails in Britain despite the fact that Scotland, Wales and North Ireland were attach to GBR as late as 17th century. In the same manner, Malay nationality and their language are in the foremost place in Malaysia and Mandarin speaking Han Chinese are in the foremost place in China.
You are talking about genuine grievances of Tamils in Sri-Lanka. Not only Tamils, all the people in SL do have grievances. Can you explain one of these problems suffered by Tamils because they are Tamils? For sure you will put forward the problem of the Tamils to satisfy their aspirations. Also you have mentioned that the international community has accepted the Tamil grievances. However, an international community can?t be comprised only with U.S.A., Britain and their satellite states.
Finally I invite you to study SL history more to understand the unique situation in our Island. |
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25 Aug 2005 04:22:49 GMT Report for Abuse
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TIGRESS 19:
Now, it is not me who twist this argument towards History, but ARIYALAI_SB and KURAL. So, please do not blame me, though I do not care.
If you are allergic to History, please switch your monitor off imediately.
-Muchalinda
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25 Aug 2005 04:25:22 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB:
If you keep throwing loose bouncers I cannot stop hitting SIXERS. However, I prefer to answer your last Question first since it shows your clever thinking. Yes, I spoke about Cricket while speaking about Sinhala Buddhist Identity. But I did not study at Ananda or at Nalanada. In fact, I studied at the very college where Kumar Ponnambalam, Neelan Thiruchelvam, Wasanath Rajah, Ponseka Ranil, Junius Richard Jayawardena as well as people like Anagarika Dharmapala (as a part time student), Dinesh Gunawardane, Prof. Nalin De Silva, I.M.R.A. Iriyagolla etc studied (oh sorry, I forgot my favorite, Ravi Karunanayake to mention there).
Anyway, coming back to the topic:
(Please read this to the end before replying).
1) Quote: The British recognised this (i.e. the existence of two territories or kingdoms), as they amalgamated the Sanhala and Tamil kingdoms together for the convenience of easy administration.
May I ask you to give some factual evidence in this regards. I do not think you want me to quote from the Kandian declaration signed by Noble Kandians (on behalf of all the people in the island) and by the Governor General of the British Empire, which clearly states that the convention is applied to the whole country. Have they (i.e. Britons) ever come to such a pact with any known Tamil king ruled from Jaffna. The last Arya Chakrawarthi King who ruled peninsular Jaffna is Sankili Kumaran II (1617 ? 1619), nephew of Edirimanna Singha Pararajasegaran. These so called independent Arya Chakrawarthi Kingdoms were also not that independent as many Racist Tamils like to believe. If you want I can prove this.
2) Quote: You can say that the Tamil History in Sri Lanka is a myth, and this is what the Sinhala chauvinists have been manufacturing to support their claims.
Tamil History in Sri Lanka did not become a myth because of the claims manufactured by so called Sinhala Chuvinists, but solely due to the lack of evidence. When Tamil Eelamists say that Nagas lived in the island at the arrival of Vijaya are Tamils, it is nothing more than a belief (if it is not, please give some evidence). When Sinhala Chuvinists say that King Vijayabahu built a Buddhist Temple by the name Kurundi Vihara in MULATIVU (oh, do not worry about Jaffna) it is not a myth, but a well founded fact based on archeological evidence.
Quote: Again, I say that you liberally claim that the Tamils are racists, unless of course they accept the Sinhala Buddhists hegemony. E.g. Kathirgamar.
It does not matter how many times you repeat this, as long as you cannot understand the simple logic behind it No ball . Can you liberally or conservatively say whether Norwegians, Britons, Americans, Italians and Canadians are racist or not. All these countries have constitutionally established the necessity of accepting the Hegemony (as you say) of their culture.
(Contd. on next post)
-Muchalinda
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Mucha-linda
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25 Aug 2005 04:27:45 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB Again:
(Contd. from previous post)
Ok, here is another SIXER
Quote: ..you can point to Norway, Britain, and other well established nations, and to their constitutions; however, what you are forgetting is that these constitutions were written in the dark ages when the Europe and the Scandinavian counties were evolving, and creating identities for themselves.
If you say it is alright for British and Norwegians to have such emphasis given to their respective religions because those nations were well established as far as during the medieval ages, why cannot Sinhalese have such a constitution? The fact you forgot is that Sri Lankan Sinhala history goes well beyond the histories of those nations. In fact, most of the nations existed at the time of Vijayan Migration do not exist any longer (like Babylonians and Assyrians).
If this is the argument you have, do not you think why Sinhalese can have what ever they want in their constitution. The first traces of the Greek Civilization appeared during the same time around Vijayan Migration took place. And Greeks have the religion they adopted almost few centuries down the track at the foremost place according to their constitution. In fact Jesus Christ was born almost 2.5 centuries after the Vijayan Migration. So why cannot Sinhalas constitutionally establish Buddhism at the foremost place here in Sri Lanka.
OK, forget about all those ancient nations. This is how Canadian constitution has established the Christianity at the foremost place in their country: Canada is founded under the Supremacy of almighty GOD.
4) Quote: You cannot say that on one hand Sinhala and Buddhism must have the foremost place in Sri Lanka, and then say that you don?t regard that Sinhala is not superior to other races. This is utter rubbish;
No brother you are again WRONG. I can say both the above simultaneously as long as you are not subscribing to one of the statements I mentioned earlier. Either you have to accept that Britons and Norwegians are racist because they have given their race and religion the foremost place in their constitutions. Or you need to accept that Church of England and Evangelical Lutheran Christianity is superior to Tamil Hinduism Now that is well over the pavilion .
5) You also spoke about a recent statement made by Prince Charles. What does matter to the world is not what Prince Charles personal opinion is, but what has been established by the constitution. Prince Charles can become the defender of the faiths if he wants. But what the constitution wants him to defend is the faith of the Church of England. In the same way Prince Charles can have several affairs with many different women. But the constitution recognizes only the first woman he married as the Princess of Wales. Another SIXER .
(Contd. on the next post)
-Muchalinda
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25 Aug 2005 04:28:09 GMT Report for Abuse
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Bottom line of the Sri lankan history is that Sri lanka is a nation of Immigrants from India.
Let's start from there.
It would be the ideal start!!
Superiority comes ONLY from humility. Rest is rubbish.
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25 Aug 2005 04:31:38 GMT Report for Abuse
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ARIYALAI_SB Again:
(Contd. from previous post)
4) Quote: The fact remains that the people like you, and your manufactured history, and your arrogance, and your intolerance towards non Sinhala Buddhists, have driven so many other people out of Sri Lanka; this is a fact. What has happened to the Burger community in Sri Lanka?
I do not want to respond to these since these are just your personal beliefs. Seemingly, you are yet to figure out what has happened to Sinhala and Muslim student in the latest batch entered the University of Jaffna. You asked me what has happened to the Burger Community in Sri Lanka. Guess what. On 03/08/1990 Sinhalas massacred 103 Burgers while they are praying in Meera Jumma and Husania Mosques in Kaththankudi and 116 in Eravur and all the remaining Burgers left Sri Lanka thereafter Another 4 runs
5) Quote: I am sorry; you should say that the Buddhism played a key role in the cultural history within the Sinhala kingdom, but not within of the entire island;
Who told you this. Did you pick it from Tamilnation.org. I have a truck load of well founded archeological evidence I previously loaded upon a request from SHAN. Unloading it here again is just a matter of time, if you want. FYI: As a start, please read the Wallipuram Inscription. This has been interpreted by Prof. Kathiragesu Indrapalan.
6) Quote: You must remember that Sri Lanka is mainly blessed with the followers of four major religions in the world, and we need to celebrate this fact with utmost respect for each other.
Sinhala Buddhists know this, they accept this and they did this for centuries. However, I prefer if you can say things like these to LTTE supporters in this forum since they are the people who cannot even tolerate a Tamil Hindu from Baticcaloa, not to mention a Sinhala Buddhist.
7) I do not want to comment on any of the rest because you are repeatedly saying the same thing. Just to re-establish, giving Sinhala and Buddhism a special place in the island does not mean that other races/ religions are inferior or any thing else.
GOOD LUCK.
-Muchalinda
PS: Try some Doosra next time.
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25 Aug 2005 04:35:07 GMT Report for Abuse
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Pun sande ras dunu
Ran puthun bihi keru...
Mucha, glad to know that you are one of the Golden sons!
Cheers
Edited By - Pera - 25 Aug 2005 04:35:51 GMT |
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