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magha
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23 Jul 2005 04:17:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Fairplay,
Rather than posting your statements again and again and reiterating the same and not running around the bush or the Maple tree why don't you just point out(enumerate) the facts one by one which lead to the Discrimination of Tamils of Sri Lanka and the armed struggle for an Elam if you think the members of this forum are ignorant about those. Then we can agree or disagree and also compare the contemporary Sri Lanka and the changes which occurred as a result of Tamil opposition to any discriminatory issues by the Singhalese of the past.
It is also important to be frank in one's ethnic identity in a discussion in a forum like this to see how impartial and independent the comments of a member . Many of the members of this forum thought that I am a Tamil because I have highlighted issues which happened in the past which I believe were discriminatory and unfair to our Tamil Brothers and Sisters. Once a member identifies him or her self where they belong to then we can judge the independence of their thinking and impartiality in this ethnic issue. This is the very reason I have a high regard to members like Gaja Lakshmi Paramasivam, Kanthun, Oracle,Nighthawk,noelwilliam to name a few, though there are disagreement among us. So to be Fair and to practice Fairplay be sincere in your ethnic identity. |
dumindak
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23 Jul 2005 06:48:54 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Kural
What Americans doing today is not relevent to what they did yesterday. They supported and fed Bin Laden and now they are fighting a war against him. So I dont have any comments on American policies. Yesterday friend can be tomorrow enemy.
Initially they supported LTTE based on their agenda to break India, but later this was not necessary because Russia fell down. so they removed LTTE from support list.
You know each year US congress approves a list of Organizations that they should support for that fiscal year and how much money they should give and what kind of suport they should provide( weapons, military advices,money, etc)
The list changes anually. Not only LTTE, there were other muslim organizations in Jumbu & Kashmir that US supported first through Pakistan, just to destabilize India.
I have read many articles on this american support for LTTE long time back, I thought it is an open secret.
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tigeress19
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23 Jul 2005 09:05:11 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear magha
2nd time i feel i have to remind you again,this only applies before the creation of ltte.
i said lankan constitution violates the rights of minority.
you said no it doesnt.all the religions have their important days are made public holidays.
im sorry i cant think of any other public holidays apart from the new year one that both the sinhala and the tamils is on the same day any way.
so can you please tell me what are the other holidays the hindu,muslim,christian celeberate in respect of their religion.
the srilankan contitution is,
'it shall be the duty of the state to protect and foster the bhudda sasana'
now tell me where is the rest of the religions gone from that part of the constitution.
surely you not going to blame the ltte for that,are you?
this constitution was created before the creation of ltte.
if a muslim man or woman become president how can they obey by the constitution?
they dont have to sacrifise their religion for the sake of yours.
if he/she have to,then it is a clear discrimination to avoid that part of the constitution should be removed of all the religions or all should be in it.(it should be like multi cultural multi religion society)
so dont worry about the public holidays and it is less important ones.
then again it only apply before the creation of ltte and im cosistant from the begining.
im not talking about the two cents natural resoures in lanka and it cannot rely on those you mentioned entirely.
the big one we have is the human resoures and thats not being used effectively,
so before the creation of ltte the human resoures should have been used and kept them employed with the help of foreign investments.
you asked me
where in the world which has no employment problem?
what i say is,the successive gosl should have atleast tried the foreign investment before the creation of ltte,
without try them you cant or no one can jump to the conclution.
(example singapore,malaysia, their economy was quite equal to lankan one before the creation of ltte,they won the economic battle with the foreign invesment in their countries and lanka was robbed by those countries and war helped them a lot too, lanka should have created the environment for the foreigners before the creation of ltte.)
education
we dont have to talk about the 1970s.even now the government deside how many people can go to university from which district,sinhalees seems to be entering university more than tamils even with the lower marks.
thats a clear discrimination.
you cant say sinhalees are majority and thats why. |
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23 Jul 2005 12:42:11 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear magha
stop running away from the truth and stop twisting stories.
it your government at fault and you lot not willing to accept the issue is so typical of you.
now it is time you call the ltte freedom fighters as the gosl accepted ltte.
call your sla the butchers and etc.
but i still dont hate the real bhuddist and good sinhala people. |
magha
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24 Jul 2005 00:12:51 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear tigeress19,
It seems to me that for your convenience in the attempt of justifying the misinterpretation of the Sri Lanka constitution you wrote only a part of the paragraph pertaining to religion.
Let us look how it is worded in our constitution;
The Republic of Sri Lanka shall give to Buddhism the foremost place and accordingly it shall be the duty of the State to protect and foster the Buddha Sasana, while assuring to all religions the rights granted by Articles 10 and 14(1)(e).
So let's see what does it follow;
Every person is entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, including the freedom to have or to adopt a religion or belief of his choice.
(e) the freedom, either by himself or in association with others, and either in public or in private, to manifest his religion or belief in worship, observance, practice or teaching;
So this is the answer to your question where is the rest of the religions gone from that part of the constitution ?
Surely you could not have missed that part but I think your mentors are providing you only with half of the information to justify their cause.
Public holidays.
Public Holidays
Sri Lanka view more directories
2005
January
14 Friday Tamil Thai Pongal Day
21 Friday Eid ul Adha
February
04 Friday Independence Day
18 Friday Maha Srivaratri
March
25 Friday Good Friday
April
13 Wednesday Tamil and Sinhala New Year (2 days)
21 Thursday Prophet's Anniversary
25 Tuesday Vesak Poya Days (2 days)
May
01 Sunday May Day
November
01 Tuesday Deepavali
03 Thursday End of Ramadan (3 days)
December
25 Sunday Christmas Day
So these are the public holidays and in addition to these there are many Poya days which Buddhist considered as holidays which I personally think stupid.
My question again to you Tigeress9, where else will you find Buddhists, Christians, Hindus and Muslims given religious holidays?
So your assumptions are wrong about religious freedom in Sri Lanka by it's constitution and you have been brain washed with false believes.
Can a Muslim or even a Tamil could be the president? If they represent only Muslim parties or Tamil parties they can never become elected as presidents since 70% of the population are Singhalese. However if a Tamil or a Muslim is the leader of one of the two major Sinhalese parties SLFP or UNP there is a possibility.
Constitution of Sri Lanka does not say a Muslim or any body with a different faith can not become the president of the country nor does it say that they have to change their faith to become the president. So speculation is unnecessary unless to mislead people and for propaganda purposes.
People become very smart expressing their views with their retrospective analysis of a country. They would say Sri Lanka could have done this and that. Some of those views are in fact true since there had been possibilities and, windows opportunities to rectify mistakes. It is also important to understand the geographical location ethnicity, inherited problems of a country at the time of independence to analyze how a country progressed over the years. Singapore is much more smaller and much less populated country than Sri Lanka and it is location in the south china sea is an important port for trade than Sri Lanka. So Singapore's necessities are different from Sri Lanka as well as the political situation at the time of it's independence in 1962 and it has taken a different approach to build it's economy. Socialist ideology was brought to Sri Lanka not by JVP but by highly educated politicians who genuinely thought that it suited the country. Although it had become a failure they had done an immense contribution to the country. The ethnic problem how ever nothing to do with socialism. Not only Sinhalese politicians but also Tamil Politicians advocated socialism.If one looks at the Vadukodai resolution they talk about a socialist Elam. LTTE at the beginning came as a Marxist party too. Are they Marxist now ?I do not know but for certain terrorist.
One should not forget about the fact that Malaysia has much more natural resources than Sri Lanka. It has copper, Iron and Oil, so richer than Sri Lanka. However poverty level was 50% until 1970. Sri Lanka was much better. Only after 1970 they launched strategies to alleviate poverty and the poverty level declined to 6.7%by 1997 but gone back to 8%now and extreme poverty level had risen by 2%.
Using Human resources for development is a more complicated issue. China uses it to the maxim at the cost of violating human rights as well as using it as cheap labour. Are we advocating such approach here? Open economy of JRJ had created hundreds of thousands of jobs but exploitation is high. One may look it as a positive approach than not having jobs at all. Even after having a war for almost three decades living standards of Sri Lanka is much higher than many other neighbouring countries and ranked some where around 41 much higher than India and Pakistan.
Finally about higher education.
Like in any other under developed countries ,in Sri Lanka too there are uneven development of regions economically and educationally. University admission under free education system by merit only is unfair in that circumstances. Present criteria for science faculties is 40% by merit, 55% by district basis, and in addition 5% given for under developed areas. 6 out of 13 such districts are in the North and East where Tamil speaking population is the majority and Jaffna district is one of them too. Many Sinhalese Students who get good marks get penalized by the standardization and it is not only Tamils. Percentage of Sinhalese going to universities is higher because 70% of the population is sinhalese and over the last 50 years they were able to get good education which they did not have prior to independence unlike the Tamils. Interestingly there is no single University which only Singhalese alone go unlike Jaffna University where only Tamils can obtain education. Tamils today can enter every university in the country without being discriminated being Tamil where Singhalese students are being kept away by Tamil Terrorism and Nationalism.
So dear tigeress9 now you see how the LTTE had brainwashed you. |
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24 Jul 2005 02:03:47 GMT Report for Abuse
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Magha,
In the previous post about the holidays you said End of ramadan 3 days.I was shocked to see that.Is it true magha?
I left the country in 1997 and visited S/L only thrice.So i dont have a clear idea about that.Could you tell me when they increased it to 3 days please. |
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24 Jul 2005 03:49:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dian,
I got this information from a web site .
http://www.globalsources.com/TNTLIST/DIRECTORIES/TRAVEL/HOLIDAYS/SRILANKA.HTM |
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24 Jul 2005 04:08:54 GMT Report for Abuse
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Magha,
I agree with you that we need to be as objective as possible if we are to make a valid contribution to shaping our country's political and administrative structures. Staying objective helps us limit ourselves to specific independent issues at a time. Otherwise we would be merely gossiping.
It is important to specifically state our view so that others can support or oppose it. Some may do so subjectively but they must then be genuine about what they feel and express only what they feel and what they think. Such contributors would shape the political front. Others who seek to provide analyses would have invested more in the issues and therefore would benefit both sides. Their contributions would go towards Public Administration. They do not need to take sides permanently. I believe I belong in the latter group.
At the end of the day, we contribute for our own experience and enjoyment. If we do not take it to the higher level WE dilute the benefits of our own work. If we act through strong principles and Truth, we would own out country to that extent ? war or no war.
Gaja Lakshmi Paramasivam from Australia |
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24 Jul 2005 05:19:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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Magha
I will give you one advice buddy, never try to answer all questions these idiots are asking. Mostly they all are same, (tigeress19 is not a girl. tigeress, Kural,SHAN all are same) They have different log in names. They just keep on asking many questions to make fun of us.
These LTTE supporters dont have any principle, personal ethics, self respeact or dignity. Simply dont care them, that is what they deserve. |
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24 Jul 2005 05:35:26 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gaja Lakshmi,
I completely agree with you.
My regards to you.
Magha |
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