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3 Jan 2006 00:21:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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But that dream of mine just remains what it is. In real life we have to believe in compromise. Looking back is painful but if we think about it and hang onto old ideologies, like our JVP buddies here, we all end up bankrupt, both morally and economically. It is sensible that the 'revenge' factor occupies a big space in common mind against the average Sinhalese but I ask you, how long is it going to last? There is a middle way to all this, a way of compromise and understanding, but at the rate all those claymore mines are going off I don't see a distant ray of hope.
My best regards
BiCUBIC =)
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Fairplay,
The singhalese are not subjected to scrutiny in the south because there are no Singhalese groups involved today with terrorism inflicting upon Singhalese interests. However we did have from 1986-1990. During that period curfew was imposed Singhalese too had been subjected to harassment and been killed close to 30,000.
With your proposal how could the GOSL prevent LTTE militants disguised as civilians penetrating the south planning to attack business interests carry out elimination of opponents and etc?
There is unfortunately significant hardship to Tamils no doubt about it. However given the present situation I do not think any thing would change.
Why should Tamils need a special train service ? They are not been harassed by the Singhalese community.
We need to do more construtive things than putting patches here and there.
Tamil Diaspora should ask LTTE to resume talks with GOSL A.S.A.P
I wish you and your family a very Happy New year.
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Hi BICUBIC,
Thank you for that sweet and caring response and the very important regards left in concluding your communication. As you have quite rightly demonstrated, these little things matter. I have felt this kind of discrimination all through my life - starting within my family. All this time I absorbed the pain and did what I could to imporve my ways to earn people's goodwill and appreciation. But now, I have come to a stage where I value myself and hence what others say and do does not hurt as much. I revealed to you what someone else might feel in my position. I do this as service and I ought not to expect any material benefits out of this. If they flow naturally - and they do from time to time as goodwill and status - I accept them on behalf of my group at the benefit level and on behalf of all concerned at the opportunity level. The more WE manage our affairs at the material level, the less Acts of God we need to keep Nature in balance.
You say 'there is a line between being unintentional and being deliberate and it is totally up to you to decide whether I crossed the line or not.'
To the extent we use this forum to improve Public Admin, the protocols do matter and it is up to all of us to discipline each other - intellectually - knowing we are One Group within this forum - the main purpose being to get to know each other.
BICUBIC, I know now that when my mind is connected to someone else's the power that underpins my activity is strong - as my Higher Education guru - Professor Bruce Dowton said - the sum is greater than the total of the individuals. It's like nuclear power. This is what we are achieving through our interaction in this forum. Rest assured that the results would flow through towards lasting Peace for any genuine contributor.
As a member of the majority group, you have a responsibility to lead any minority member in the path of the government's policies. Majority therefore do not have the excuse that it was done unintentionally. Minority have that as legitimate reason until they are educated by majority. Given that one needs subjective power in governance, the areas where minority educate majority need to be brought expressly under Public Administration - through legislation -so that any individual can challenge decisions in court - through the LOGICAL process. If the rules of this forum have been that we must prioritise on the basis of 'substance' then all our VISIBLE actions must clearly be on Objective basis. They need to be 'seen' to be impartial. That is all I was trying to bring out. I did so because as you recognized - this is why we had this problem in Sri Lanka which is now on the verge of being an opportunity.
You say ' But be assured that neither ethnicity nor gender played any part in it. But my friend, I can clearly see that you are viewing me under a hegemonic filter, therefore whatever I say or do is bigoted and discriminatory, but I can't do anything about that common misunderstood mindset, can I? This kind of mistrust and suspicion are exactly the causes of the problems in Sri Lanka but sadly not many people realize this.'
I accept that neither ethnicity nor gender played any part in it. Since Nada is also a Tamil your explanation makes sense. As indicated in my previous post, it is 'age' - the age of our relationship. If we are subjective in one area - then we are likely to be subjective in all areas to that extent - except where we have done the work to be objective. Being subjective is 'natural' and it is difficult to overcome nature.
But to do nothing also becomes 'natural' with time. You have consciously overridden that natural tendency because you SEEK peace. I believe I have to view you through the hegemonic filter right now to share my Truth with you. My Truth is your power.
Cooking was a chore when I was young. But gradually it became habitual and then it gave me comfort and now it is romantic. That is the value of WORK. If we consciously override our 'natural' subjectivity in areas that are covered by Common Law, and use the Objective path that can be used on equal footing by both sides - we would value ourselves and our work and in those areas we would become independent of any subjective group including the government. Outside those areas - we can be as subjective as we naturally are inclined to be. That way we are 'safe' when challenged by outsiders.
So my friend, yes, you can do something about this 'Common Area' at individual level - and that is your contribution to Public Admin through the Objective path. When you do that I will not see you through majority power but through the rights and wrongs of the Admin system. Now, that admin system cannot take us into Truth. It can take us close to it. The rest of the work must be done by us - often by sacrificing our earned benefits and opportunities through the Administrative path above the level at which it REALLY is practiced. For example, until recently, I genuinely believed that the Australian Judicial system and Public Administration close to government was just and fair - the way I practiced the laws of Public Administration. But once I went into the system - as a participant - I realised that most of them practiced the law at much lower levels than I. To the extent I wanted to know Truth - I had to sacrifice my earned goodwill and money benefits - and risk repeated defeats with the authorities and the judiciary. But due to my faith in God I felt supported and partnered by the power of my Truth and this helped me 'stay' in my Truth despite losing money and goodwill. Now I feel like a creator - which all genuine owners are. I seek to share this Truth with as many as I can - especially minorities who are genuinely hurting and are likely to get hurt like I did.
You say 'After reading your well refined response to my answers from the previous posts I failed to find one very important aspect. What we, as a society with a violent past, badly need is compromise at this juncture and no more.'
No BICUBIC. If we compromise we would stagnate at the cost/benefits level and without a strong system of Public Administration the revenge actions would continue. The arrest of Tamils in Colombo was a revenge action by the government for the Tiger killings in North & East. It's a hidden message they give each other. Since the army is not strong enough to kill the Tigers, the government punishes through Tamil civilians. Compromise is pretend agreement. I prefer that those who suffered genuine pain be recognized and given 'Status' by the government - say for example through priority positions in the areas where they lost their earned benefits. A clever government would balance the pain at 'opportunity' level - so that the physically driven majority on both sides would not be able to abuse the solution for quick political gains.
You say 'That compromise could have been reached under a Ranil presidency, despite all the misdemeanours by the LTTE, had he been elected.'
This statement of yours makes me believe that by compromise you mean the 'absorption' of pain to rise to higher level of ownership - at opportunity level. Yes, Ranil had the skills and the personality to do this. But he did not have a 'connector' between himself and the Tiger leadership. Ranil is also sometimes accused of not being connected to the poorer Sinhalese. This again could be 'naturally' so. I find the most subjective leaders to be the most attractive ones too - but at the higher levels - where we do not need to 'see' to believe and know each other. Mahinda lacks this charisma that Ranil exuberates at the higher levels of society - especially at the International diplomatic level where most communication is subjective.
You say 'The talk of him being 'impotent' is just gibberish because he would have been the president who controlled the largest party in the parliament and with Kumaratunga openly saying that an alliance could be reached with both grand old parties coming together with comfortable 2/3 majority in the parliament, easily sidelining the extremist elements in Sri Lankan politics. The future looked very bright for the people as a whole until the LTTE started burning tires to scare people off.'
Until the Tigers get a strong Administration that stands up to International standards to impress their investors, it is in their interest to keep out the likes of Ranil. This would facilitate 'cover up' of breaches on their side, especially through fear by the JVP backed government that the breaches of the government would be exposed. In politics the greater power is the 'other's' faults. In administration the greater power is our rights. The Power of Truth is beyond both. It lies with the independent who cares about the whole and feels the ownership of the whole through genuine work.
YOu say 'But the point here I wish to make is that the factor of compromise is a very important one. No Sinhala politician would carve out a separate state out of Sri Lanka as no LTTE member would lay down his or her arms.'
I agree. But these are the two extremes between which we the rich and invisible middleclass must work out our own solution and express it through either side. The example that comes to mind is the Tamil who had in mind the son of a relative as marriage partner for her daughter. At that stage that lady could not see beyond her circles and this nephew seemed an attractive proposition. In fact the lady thought it was her birth-right. I added my power with this large family - to this lady and gradually helped her see beyond this family circle. I encouraged her to work hard using her professional skills and now that her own son is doing a higher University course than her nephew- the lady has automatically dropped the idea of taking her nephew in marriage. The 'form' / shape she gives the marriage partner for her children is now different and is based more on her earned opportunities rather than her birth-rights.
Hence my friend, what you and I can do is to partner those in need - to widen their circles of opportunity - so they would lose consciousness of 'birth-rights' which is an invisible base that requires certification from an independent authority. Once they 'drop' this 'automatic equality' business they would 'see' benefits as per their investments - intuitively from within - on the basis of their work and therefore controllable by them. Ranil has the opportunity to lead Sri Lankans along this path. He will just not get the credit for it - but would become a deeper owner through Gandhi's path.
You say 'THAT is the parallel we all should be focussing on; not the ones that have tarnished our society. Looking back at the unfortunate events maybe a motivational force but it is not constructive.'
I agree that looking back at the details of past events does become a motivational force for those who seek the excitement of war - as young Tamils tend to do. Those who are physically ready to fight in the war - are entitled to this motivating force and it is wrong to stop them from look back in detail. The rest of us must learn the essentials of those bitter experiences and carry the pain as 'ownership' investment. Those who genuinely carry the pain are real owners and they have the authority to lead the 'form' - even if it were war. Not one person outside the military must carry these details. It's our responsiblity to send them to 'war' when they express such sentiments in their dining rooms. Each one has the authority to carry the pain in detailed form through his / her special path. As a Public Administrator I am entitled to carry the administrative losses in detailed form. I am not entitled to carry the war details once Peace negotiations started. It's like in rebirth. We forget the details of our work but we carry the essence of our work as intuitive wisdom - close to our soul. Those who operate close to Truth are the riches carriers and not those who get most rights from others.
You say ' There are extremist elements on both sides and they are to be treated as vermin and nothing more. The JVP and the JHU and the LTTE are the vermin that are spoiling the soup from both sides of the spectrum. This is why I always wish that we give all those idiots sticks and stones and put them all inside a stadium to fight and kill each other and, we, people who believe in moderate politics, sit and talk and reach a final solution that is viable to all of us'
No BICUBIC, I do not believe that we should be moderate. I aim for the highest level of subjective politics where the common person cannot see costs and benefits but would work his/her own costs and benefits through his own cleverness.
In administration, I seek a transparent system that would be monitored at least initially by the International Community.
love
gaja
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Ariyalai_sb,
Your points make sense to people who Cherish human life and values .
I wish we can prosecute every body who is behind this human tragedy. Unfortunately it is not going to happen since there will be resistance from both sides.
The best we could do is first try to achieve peace.
I wish you and your family a very happy new year. |
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3 Jan 2006 15:18:58 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gaja,
Nothing is pure Black or pure White, it is always a mix.
The empire which quit in 1948 had carefully promoted Tamils as subalterns and was confident of an administration by proxy after 1948.
(See how the BBC is wiping the bottom of the ltte . Imperial dreams do not die easy.)
Could you input the above parameter into your thinking process ?
At times I fell like calling you Ganja instead of Gaja ! |
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3 Jan 2006 16:54:20 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hi Magha,
Thank you buddy, for your response and the greetings.
First of all my suggestion was in the context of the Search and Arrest Operations in Colombo.
Basically what I'm saying is GOSL could and should minimise the possibilities of Persecuting Tamils from N/E.
As a Colombo Tamil, I see that these people are invited by the government to Colombo by offering it's bureau only in Colombo and also benefitting in enjoying a stable economy concurred by the Tamils of N/E.
Even today I read Asian Tribune and many other media quoting DIG Pujitha Jayasundera, that LTTE has it's cadres in Colombo targetting the Politicians including the President. In light of this I say it is an utter failure of the Government's secutity measures and by relocating these the Govt's bureau to a location remote from Colombo many lives could be saved in the national interest.
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With your proposal how could the GOSL prevent LTTE militants disguised as civilians penetrating the south planning to attack business interests carry out elimination of opponents and etc?
Magha, your question to me has helped me with a partial answer, effortless.
GOSL, at present in guise of searching the so called Terrorist are pushing the Civilians to become Terrorists! Harassment and Arrest of the civilians is not acceptable. When an innicent is arrested in Colombo,Do you know how many of the friends and relatives are put through an agony to see that person is not framed into any indefinite incarceration like the many in the prisons of SL.
I am sure you are aware of this; about 2 weeks ago Mr.SK63 also helped a friend of his. Our corrupt Policemen can frame anybody into anything and we should not forget that under the Emergency regulations many malicious and covert arrangements are a possibility.
Coming to the Crux of your question: when this Service Facility is located outside Colombo, movement of the N/E public will mostly be around that area for obvious reasons.
I have mentioned that issuing a Special ID that they should carry with them for travel beyond that point into other regions of the country.
One should not forget that the Peace Talks is not going to Start and Finish within the next months. If by luck ,this happens there are many obstacles for both sides to engage in streamlining the process of Administration.
My proposal is an immediate solution to stop giving ACCESS to any bad elements into the dense masses of population.
Beyond this if you say that the LTTE could disguise as Civilians and enter Colombo; then THEY ARE ENTERING COLOMBO ONLY AS A CIVILIAN AND YOU HAVE TO TAKE THEM AT FACE VALUE. No doubt in that.
If your fear is that having enterd Colombo as civilians they could still carryout attacks and killings; My dear Magha this cannot happen without support from a third element and regrettably that is the Singhalese.
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Your fear could be summarised as this: Even after USA has confined the Al Quaeda to their own territories, the middle Eastern Muslims visiting USA could still attack USA.
Being a US Citizen, should you have such a fear. If so whom do you think will help these visitors to attack USA.
It definitely has to be some cult or another group other than the middle Eastern people.
ME people in USA know very well that they will be the first suspects.
In SL it would be the Underworld gangs or possibly the Sleeper cells of the JVP who would help the LTTE, not the Colombo Tamils. THE CULPRIT IS IN DISGUISE AND GOSL HAS FAILED TO FOCUS IT'S SURVEILLANCE ON THEM. THEY ARE THE PARAMILITARY OPERATING WITH GOSL.
GOSL SHOULD FORTHWITH AND ACTIVELY SET IT'S EYES AND EARS ON THEM. GOSL SHOULD NOT BE FOOLED INTO BELIEVING THEM.
This shouldn't be like Mahinda believing in JVP and JHU promising to help Mahinda. As it is it's a sad story!
The Train service would ensure further security of the Nation and the Tamil passengers.
The positive side of that is,it ensures a Safe passage as well as a monitoring tool for movement of it's passengers and goods; any goods other than personal effects.
This protects the Tamils in transit from unnecessary encounters with any bad elements as well.
So Magha, I would strongly recommend to relocate these Govt. Bureaues to a place outside Colombo at the COST of a sizeable Economic Power Centre THAT IS ENLIVEN BY THE TAMILS OF N/E.
Let LTTE and the GOSL sort out it's matters.
PLEASE DO NOT HARASS THE INNOCENT TAMILS, THE PAIN RUNS DIAMETRICALLY. As a Medical Doctor and who has seen the pain and agony through your service, in the war theatre, to the citizens of this country you are at an advantage to understand this better.
Fairplay
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Dear Ms.Gaja,
I thank you for your elaboration of my proposal to others.
This in general benefits the forum to understand my thinking behind the proposal.
In response to Magha's questions to me I have urged the Need in the context of the recent Search and Arrest operations.
My proposal is based on preventing GOSL from inflicting any harm to innocent Tamils in any form.
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3 Jan 2006 19:48:28 GMT Report for Abuse
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Magha,
Thanks very much, and I wish the same for you and your family; hope that this year will be the year for peace.
I feel that GOSL can do much much more to bring the communities together, and by doing so, can manifest to the LTTE that they are genuine. This kind of approach can persuade LTTE to reciprocate.
The British Government took this approach in Northern Ireland with IRA; a two front approach; while addressing the concerns of the Catholic community, a dialogue was being developed; This was very successful. |
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Thank you ViceSquad for your response.
Your Black & White statement reminds me of a discussion I had with a brilliant White academic - Professor Bruce Dowton - then the Dean of Medicine at the University of New South Wales - on this very topic. I write in the consciousness of the wisdom that Professor Dowton shared with me.
There is Black at the bottom and White at the top. The rich middleclass is the grey inbetween. In spiritual language - it's the Body at the bottom, the Soul at the top and the rich mind in the middle. In Public Affairs - it's the Administration at the bottom, Policies at the top and the rich Public Management (Politics) in the middle. The more we try to 'show' politics the lower our status with the Public. We must 'show' our work through Administration and do the work through Truth we know.
Yes, it is a mix - but the more White in the picture the less visible your credits are and hence you spread yourself into more Blacks like a Spirit. If the picture is dark grey - then it's time to impose strict administration - as in a dictatorship.
You say 'The empire which quit in 1948 had carefully promoted Tamils as subalterns and was confident of an administration by proxy after 1948.
(See how the BBC is wiping the bottom of the ltte . Imperial dreams do not die easy.)
Could you input the above parameter into your thinking process ?'
Yes thank you. The International Community's involvement in Sri Lanka is a buildup on this residual factor. To the extent this expectation was based on genuine work by the British - we Tamils have carried their investment for them. I know that my own father did. This helped me integrate more comfortably with the Westerners in Australia. It was not an imperial dream but an imperial plan. The difference between the two is WORK. People like me are proof that it was work based plan.
How romantic of you to say 'At times I feel like calling you Ganja instead of Gaja !'
I feel high - knowing that I have the power to intoxicate you. By trying to describe this power of Truth and Love in their language - some Aussies in power have sent me to prison and named me a lunatic. What do you want to do - share your intoxication with me?
love
gaja
Edited By - Gaja - 3 Jan 2006 22:03:57 GMT |
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