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Gaja
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26 Nov 2005 21:30:13 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Maninder,
I have enjoyed reading the discussion between you, Kulakottan and Tigeress.
You say in your last post to Tigeress 'You have to work for a world, where you can earn your self respect and dignity with your charecter, not by your accidental colour of skin or ethnicity, as said by Martin Luther King Jr'
I agree that one has to earn one's ownership of one's world. But I do not agree that our birth is 'accidental'. Do you?
You say to Kulakottan 'India cannot allow a communally, ethnically or racially exclusive exclusive dispensation, most likely a dictatorship, on its southern border. It will harm its own secular, plural and democratic fabric.'
India does not have the power to 'allow' or 'disallow'.
You state also to Kulakottan 'In the meantime, India would like to see a SL, where tamils also are given equal opportunity and dignity to participate in nation building'
Equal Opportunity is not 'GIVEN' Maninder. According to you, India would like to see Tamils still being 'dependent' on the majority government rather than exercising their rights on earned basis. We Tamils are seeking to self-assess our worth and exercise our rights as per Truth we know. This may not seem 'right' to those who have failed to know who we are and how we FEEL. Tamils who felt isolated have now been compensated with that feeling of ownership that the richer folks (including Indians) can only dream of.
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gaja
Edited By - Gaja - 26 Nov 2005 21:42:58 GMT |
Kulakottan
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26 Nov 2005 23:28:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gaja,
Good morning. I have read almost all the posting for a while before posting my comments and realized your view of Maninder. That is why the comment.
I too have respect for him. His postings help me to learn the inside of Indian thinking which I have been trying to figure out for a long time. It also appears that we both come from similar backgrounds. He may disagree. Perhaps, he is more from a military background.
Who knows whether he is one of the fortunate IPKF jawans, who returned to India or not?
I have also read your postings and find them to be of very spiritual nature which is too high for me. I am simple human being with very limited ambitions other than seeing a peaceful & prosperous Sri Lanka.
Now the process is in the hands of the youngsters. It went out our control with the death of SJV.
Thank you,
Kulakottan with love |
Kulakottan
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26 Nov 2005 23:34:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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My dear Oodpulii,
You seem to be having a love hate affair with Nada and possessed with figuring out under how many names Nada is commenting.
Anyway do not waste your time. I am not Nada or a doctor. I am a retired civil servant who has spent most of his life in CMB. I also have a little experience in dealing with Indian Bureaucrats and an admirer of Indian Bureaucratic Professionalism even though I might not like their strategies.
They work for their own interest.
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Kulakottan
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26 Nov 2005 23:41:10 GMT Report for Abuse
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Maninder,
Before we get into our discussions.
Watch out for this guy ( or gal) Oldpulli. He takes too many covers and Avathars. He is born everywhere.
One time he is from Batti and another time he is from Madras. I wonder how many passports he holds. He also lives in two different corners of the world, once in Harrow and then in Sydney too.
I have not seen his multiple professions yet.
In any case, he is a mischief-maker and adds a lot of spices to this forum.
Bye
Edited By - Kulakottan - 26 Nov 2005 23:43:42 GMT |
Kulakottan
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27 Nov 2005 00:11:55 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Maninder,
Your knowledge of Tamils: its my opinion and so is yours.
Many people judge about Tamils based on knowledge of Tamils they are associated with. If people who knows Hon. Laxman Kadiragamar and think he represents the Tamil's feelings, its very very far from the truth. Perhaps his birth as a Tamil could be an accident or a coincident. Who knows what?
The elite Tamil will not die for Tamil but the common tamil will. How did the separate state call Tamil Nadu disappear? I do not want to discuss that. Perhaps, if
Hon. C N Annadurai is alive he could tell you. They never asked for separate state but more autonomy. Even that is different from ours. The Tamils in India were and still living with dignity in their land. We are not. No comparison. Indian central Govt. did not carry out Govt. sponsored colonization in Tamil nadu. If you do, you can see the fun. You would not dare.
About the over-ridding factor in your Foreign Policy vis-à-vis Sri Lanka:
I fully acknowledge the fact that no strategist/diplomat will ever spell out all their thinking in their stated policy. However, to us Sri Lankan Tamils, one of the main underlying factors on dealing with Sri Lanka seems to be that 'one issue'. You can publicly say 'no', but you would not find many takers. In fact even the GOSL thinks the same way like us.
We did have hopes on India. But it is becoming more and more clear what India stands for. It could change if your interest changes. We are mindful of that.
About Indian view that the future of tamils and humanity in SL is in danger due to Prabhakaran. Tamils and SL's future will be better off without him:
Again as usual and it's the reality that you are viewing the issues we have from your own perspective. We can't change that. As repeatedly I said, first we must have a concrete structure for the future before deciding what is good and what's not.
Sri Lankan tamils need some hope for survival. At this point of time, our view is that there is only one possible hope. It is also clear with all your limitations and complications we can;t depend on you -India, for sure .
We will, even violently, will hold on to our hope. Perhaps if there is a viable alternative people might start thinking. The Sinhala majority, unfortunately, does not see or wants to see that. I have closely associated with many of Sinhala Leaders, who has one view personally and when in front of the masses, they are different people - like Mahinda Rajapakse.
Nice interacting with you and thank you for all your time.
Bye for now.
Edited By - Kulakottan - 27 Nov 2005 00:14:31 GMT |
Kulakottan
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27 Nov 2005 01:09:41 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Oldpuli(i),
Its sad to see you leaving the forum. As I said in my last posting, you did add a lot of spices to this forum. I definitely share your hope that peace returns to our beautiful island.
Beleive you me, I am not Nada. I just saw a posting from him and told him about your guessing about me. Why not make peace with him if you are really leaving. I don't beleive it.
Who knows, you may take another 'Avatharam'.
If you are really serious, Bye & Good Luck.
Ooooch! you have removed your posting!
Have you changed your mind??
Good for you
Edited By - Kulakottan - 27 Nov 2005 01:11:53 GMT |
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27 Nov 2005 01:33:08 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hi Kulakottan,
I saw the unsettled mind of Oldpuli. He is in turmoil, it often happens in unsettled hearts which is caught up between truth, lies, reality, unreality, love , hate and many more emotional and materialistic stimuli, further aggravated by impulsive behaviour.
Basically such humans are good but could be easily swayed and could even become non-productive if not destructive.
Finally they may end up with:
'Minnuvathellam ponn enru enni kan erandum kurudanane
Naan kan erandum kurudanane...'
If he is living my very best wishes for him and if he does not, well.....we have to put up with him.
After being enlightened by Gaja I have elevated myself to a higher level of existence with no hate but love for fellow humans for their actions.
Nada |
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27 Nov 2005 01:42:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Nada,
Gaja seems to have a very spiritual influence on Many. In fact she has even penetrated in to Oldpili(i)'s heart.
We must make her meet Wimal Weerawansa & Rev Rathana thero too to install some love and 'karunai' in to their thinking.
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27 Nov 2005 07:59:06 GMT Report for Abuse
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Thank you Kulakottan for your caring response.
I find depth in your writing. Please do not be impatient for peace and prosperity. Peace has to come with spirituality. Spirituality is the process to inner peace. When we have inner peace, we automatically promote peace wherever we go.
Thank you again. It's good to talk to you
love
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Maninder
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27 Nov 2005 08:02:36 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gaja and Kulakkottan,
The real difference between our thinking is that you see the SL conflict as a conflict between tamils and sinhalese, while some of us view it as a conflict between plural democracy and exclusive ideologies.
You views are apparently shaped by your own personal experiences in SL and in your surrounding. We have taken pain to form our view with lessons learned from our historical experience, so that the view will be far sighted and has more depth.
I know some people who were subjected to worst human right abuses during 1947 partition of India and Pakistan. They were chased away from newly created Pakistan, after some of their family members got raped and killed by their own muslim neigbours. Many muslims, who were living in India then, were subjected to similar treatment by their hindu neighbours.
Almost 150000 people died in few days time in fateful August and September of 1947.
Some of hindus who were chased from Paksitan to India, joined hindu extremist organizations that targetted to turn India into a hindu country, in response to pakistan adopting Islam as the state religion.
But most of them rallied behind Nehru and Assad to create a secular, plural and democratic country, where exclusive idologies will not permitted any longer to create hatred between people of different religion, language or ethnicity. This must have been a painful decision to make for those brave souls, after all the ordeals they went through in pakistan. But the decision proved to be right.
Now India, after almost five decades, is reaping the rewards for that painful decision in terms economic boom, international respect and strengthened national integration. Pakistan is labelled as a failing state.
The problem in SL shouldn't be defined as a tamil - singalese problem. It is a conflict between pluralist democracy and exclusive ideologies.
Regarding the singalese society, you cannot forget 48% of of voters who voted for peace and federalism in the recent election. The recent election would have been a triumph of pluralist democracy, if Prabhakaran and LTTE had not joined hands with JVP and JHU into electing a hardliner president by forcing a boycott for the people who wanted to vote for RW in NE.
This event has reiterated our historical lessons from the past.It is India's view that JVP, JHU and LTTE are sides of same coin. They all want to create societies that will be obsessed with misplaced pride and ego based on religion, ethnicity or language. Their succeeding will create problem for India's own pluralist democracy.
Gaja, though I have to disagree with you whether or not India has power to allow or disallow this from happening, I will leave it to history to make the final judgement. So far so good.
SL will be a better place to the people who live in it and a good neighbour to india, if it has a secular and pluralistic democracy.
Edited By - Maninder - 27 Nov 2005 08:08:50 GMT |
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