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Gaja
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27 Nov 2005 21:55:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear OldPuli,
Why do you wish to leave this site? Just limit your responses to an important few who would also benefit your personal life. That way you addiction would be controlled and you would gain from the minds of the few good ones. Stay away from those who are seeking to create trouble. Most of all do not look for a fight. Then you would not fall for one.
As for scratching your head, that sounds very much like a man's gesture.
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Kulakottan
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27 Nov 2005 22:45:52 GMT Report for Abuse
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Gaja,
I do not know whether Maninder is aware that the problem of Kaanchi Peedathipathy has a lot to do with him playing out on a deal with Jayalalitha than the Indian Justice system. He should also know that though by an large the justice system is effective, it is also the system where a Justice ussued a warrant on their President Hon Abdul Kalaam for nothing except for a bribe.
From what Maninder has said and not stated, one thing is clear in his view that,
No 1 priority for India now,
* is not the resolution of the ethnic conflict
* is not a peaceful, secular, pluraistic & democratic Sri Lanka
* is not the concerns for Tamils or to get a fair deal for us
but,
**** is Prabaharan.
period.
Best regards,
Kula
Edited By - Kulakottan - 28 Nov 2005 00:24:41 GMT |
nada
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27 Nov 2005 22:47:16 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Maninder,
I read with great interest your views regarding the sri lakan conflict. You seem to know quite a lot about India and about its military, economic and various other strengths but that does not necessarily mean that still you understand the intricacies of the sri Lankan problem. You naturally seem to project an authoritarian attitude toward SL issues and even go to the extent of sending cruise missiles at such a low level to escape radar detection into the north.
You talk quite a lot of a multi ethnic Plural society, and how it laid the foundation for modern, powerful India that could determine the destiny of all the neighbouring smaller countries.
Recently I met a professional from Nepal and mere mention of India threw him into a rage, he said India supplies weapons to both waring faction and watching the fun. India did the same thing in SL too and in many other countries.
And when you told Gaja that India has long lost its spiritual touch, I could not doubt that statement at all. Indian action is always for its personal gains and when it talks philosophy of safeguarding a multi ethnic pluralistic society in SL it is far from true, in fact it is too comical.
It is indeed an often repeated mantra; 'Multi ethnic plural society', when there is a search for a solution to the armed conflict in Sri Lanka. Not only SL Government but even Indians have found it convenient to chant this mantra from time to time. It is a very beautiful word 'all ethnic groups are equal and a plurality of view points is encouraged and secured'. But these mantras intended to resolve an armed political conflict, must fit the political reality on the ground.
The political reality is that there is nothing 'multi ethnic or plural' about the society over which the SL Government seeks to impose a unitary rule. If nothing else, 40 years of gross violations of the Tamils' human rights is a proof of that.
Once JR said ' the time has come for the whole Sinhala nation which has existed for 2500 years, jealously safeguarding their language and religion, to fight without giving any quarter to save their birth right....I will lead the campaign'.
My dear Maninda you should understand that it was the Sinhala attempt to subjugate and assimilate the Tamils which led, eventually, to the rise of the armed resistance and which resulted in the invention of the LTTE.
In this scenario if you are going to say that LTTE, JVP and the JHU are the different sides of a coin, my dear friend you have completely missed the bus. If it is the intension of the Indians to safeguard legitimate rights of the Tamils in SL then your quoted example had completely destroyed that trust and exposed how naked you are in your trust in a pluralistic society. Or else it exposes the utter ignorance of the reality of the ground situation or a deliberate attempt of not knowing it for reasons best known to you.
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nada
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27 Nov 2005 23:37:01 GMT Report for Abuse
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Maninda Contd.....
As far back as 1981 a woman minister Wimala Kannangara said ' If we are ruling, we must rule.......Let us rule as a majority community'.
JR the cunning fox who got your Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi whacked with a naval rating in a guard of honour had this to say in an interview to Daily Telegraph, mind you after the most shameful and most inhuman act of terrorism against the Tamil people in 1983: 'I am not worried about the opinion of the Jaffna people, now we cannot think of them, not about their lives or their opinion, the more you put pressure in the north, the happier the Sinhala people will be here...really if I starve the Tamils out, the Sinhala people will be happy'.
Incidentally this is exactly what Chandrika and Kadir did to the Tamils, especially Tamil children during her most vicious regime after 1994. If you are keen I could provide you with all the necessary statistics pertaining to malnutrition, low birth weights, infant mortality, delayed milestones, increased suicides, increased addiction to alcohol, family violence, etc., etc.
So my dear friend, this is the kind of pluralistic society in which the Tamils are rotting for so many decades. And for you to appear from some where to prescribe that Mother India is keen on preserving the 'Multi Ethnic Plural Society' I really wonder whether you did any home work at all before making your educated opinion so publicly and so boldly?.
Today these historical memories are a part of the Tamils' political consciousness. The Tamils are a people whose feelings of togetherness have been consolidated by over 40 years of ever widening and deepening Sinhala oppression. It is a political togetherness which has cemented through their participation in a political struggle against that oppression. Their willingness to suffer and if necessary die in that struggle serves to underline the determination of a political consciousness that they have acquired inevitably owing to the sustained terror, oppression and injustices meted out to them in a so-called multi ethnic pluralistic society about which you are crooning so much in your postings.
The Tamils were not born yesterday. They know that it is because of the armed resistance it has succeeded to the extent that they hold territory and that the Tamil rights are on the international agenda. They know that if the resistance fails they will be left with the pleaders like Sangary, Dougalas and the likes whose efforts over the past 40 years or so did nothing to stop the onslaught on Tamil rights and lives.
The majority live in their own world of fantasy, a belief that they are not prepared to re-visit. They go on a historic distortion. Their mind had been primed over the years and now they are not in any position to review that.
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28 Nov 2005 00:16:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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Maninda contd....
I was surprised, ashamed and saddened to read in this very site there are people who boast that the Tamils were assaulted, burnt alive, raped, murdered and plundered not only in the south but in the north and east as well, mind you Maninda, these are the so-called English educated segment of the society. They go to the extent of saying that the Sinhala army in the north raping the Tamil women to produce a racially mixed progeny. This is the widely spoken of 'multi ethnic plural society'!
Late Yasser Arafat had this to say: 'Our people do not consider that exercising the right to self determination could violate the rights of the neighbours or infringe on their security. Rather, putting an end to their feelings of being wronged and of having suffered an historic injustice is the strongest guarantee to achieve co-existence and openness between our two people and future generations'.
Why is that you do not talk about a federal solution? On what lines Indian Federal Constitution is drawn? Don't you recognize the ethnic identities. Your name sound to be a Sikh and even though Punjab is part of India yet many Sikhs feel that they are a different nation!
As you know too well that a nation is a community of people, whose members are bound together by a sense of solidarity, a common culture, a national consciousness and a nation exists when a significant number of people in a community consider themselves to form a nation or behave as if they formed one.
So dear Maninda, in a situation like this there has to be a federal solution where the majority of people do not understand what is meant by a Multi Ethnic Plural Society. A mere lip service, or a rhetoric like there is only a terrorist problem and no ethnic problem or all are the same is just an attempt to hoodwink but obviously the sufferers would not swallow those baits. If that too fails of course then you let them go or let them take it.
Maninda, you tell me if not for the federal Constitution your huge sub continent would have remained as one country? You were able to boast about your multi ethnic plural society today only because of the federal constitution. Otherwise India would have splintered long ago and there is no question of sending cruise missile or scud missiles into neighbouring countries if they do not tow your line or you do not like the way they want to live.
So do not weep for Rajiv alone, then you have to first weep for Mahatma who was murdered by a Hindu. How about the 'heat stroke' as claimed by JR, the reason why the navy guy whacked Rajiv on the head but missed. Otherwise the LTTE would have got spared of this accusation.
For a head of state to come out with such an explanation for such a disgraceful action is not only rubbish but a terrible insult not only to Rajiv and its government but a punch below the belt for the Indian intelligence and nothing could be worse.
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Kulakottan
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28 Nov 2005 00:33:14 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nada,
You have summarized and presented all of our feelings very effectively and it represents all of us..
I think there is no point now to keep on responding.
Let us rest our submissions now.
Thank you,
With pride of being a Sri Lankan Tamil,
Kula
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28 Nov 2005 00:50:24 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Kulakottan,
I appreciate your feedback. One can take a horse to water but making it to drink is another issue altogether
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28 Nov 2005 00:52:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Kulakottan,
I appreciate your feedback. One can take a horse to water but making it to drink is another issue altogether
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Gaja
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28 Nov 2005 00:56:51 GMT Report for Abuse
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Thank you OldPuli. My nephew from Singapore also sent me that reference.
I know Dr. Bala. He is a Senior friend through my husband. If he knows you as OldPuli he must be related to this forum.
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28 Nov 2005 01:03:16 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Maninder,
I write in the consciousness of the essence of Nada's response to you.
Do you, as a committed Indian who has invested in the Sri Lankan problem, believe that Tamils have earned the right to be represented as a distinctly different group to the Sinhalese, at the Political level?
If No, then how is our investment in Equal Opportunity Laws and the system of Democracy to be 'saved'? How are we to honour at the physical level - the sacrifices made by those of us who genuinely believed that we have been damaged by the system of autocracy by a power that failed to include us in its thinking.
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