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LuLa
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 20 Nov 2005 20:50:12 GMT Report for Abuse
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Expatpuli,
First of all I must tell you that I do not read D.B.S Jayaraj.
You are talking about Colombo Tamils; there are no such people called Colombo Tamils. You may be born and brought up in Colombo but still your origin is either NorthEast or upcountry.
If you are a Sinhalese and a JVP supporter, you will definitely hate Premadasa for killing his own people the JVP terrorists, and helping the LTTE with arms and money. As far as the Tamils are concerned, Premadasa did a lot to the LTTE.He also wanted to give them interim administration in the North. It was East that he did not want to negotiate. When compared to all other Sinhala leaders, Premadasa was the best.
Today, the LTTE has indirectly helped in electing a Sinhala Buddhist hardliner. Mahinda is a part of JVP who were also mass murderers. Do you think that the LTTE has done the right thing? In what way is it going to help the Tamils?
The International community was more inclined towards Ranil, if they had a soft corner for the LTTE, by stopping Ranil from becoming a president, they are going to loose everything.
Edited By - LuLa - 21 Nov 2005 03:39:07 GMT |
Fairplay
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 20 Nov 2005 21:02:14 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Expatpuli,
I welcome your criticism and it's excellent in helping me to identify nothing but what I have been always referring to as the COMMUNICATION GAP that created this entire ethnic problem.
First of all, you are referring to me as somebody who assumes that I am from a higher ladder against the N/E Tamils. Please take this from me right this moment. I do not consider myself higher to the talents and abilities of my fellow Tamils in the N/E. In fact I admire them.
I was astonished the 1st time when I visited Jaffna to see boys and girls going for Tuition at 5AM, in groups on bicycles. It was a pleasnt scene for me to this day that I cherish. I am yet to see this in Colombo.
What I was trying to say in my post is that how fellow Singhala members fail to distinguish between what is Moderate and Hardcore reasons of the Tamil struggle.
Again coming back to the COMMUNICATION GAP,let me tell you that I started speaking BROKEN ENGLISH only from grade six.
Although I studied in Colombo, I was in the Tamil medium all throughout. I invested my time outside my class and participated in Sports,Scouting and Social organizations and this exposure enabled me to interact with other communities more often and without doubt I learned to speak Singhala to this date has enhanced my relationship with the majority. Of course I learned the pure singhala first!
My English developed along with that.
What I am able to highlight here is that Tamils,( I DID NOT AT ANY MOMENT IN MY POST TO SK63 INTEND TO SEPERATE OURSELVES AS YOU ARE TRYING TO) due to their traditional pursuit to excel in Education and Professions of prominence always concentrated on their elevation in the society through this only viable path and established superiority in their chosen professions. To attain this they needed the ENGLISH LANGUAGE.
Now, please tell me that how would you call me as having an edge with my English better than the NE people.
In the NE, the goal was to create a Graduate in every other home and thus they needed English. You are trying to supress the abilities of those talented minds by calling me an advantaged.
The only advantage that I have is the relationship that I have cultivated by investing time and effort to communicate with other communities that the NE Tamils neglected as well as the Singhalese.
In your dislike to agreeing with me, ( I did not ask anyone ) it is unfortunate that you approved the incident in 1983 that I would not have even suggested in my dreams to reprimand a human being.
There are many members who are ardent supportes of the LTTE in this forum who know very well that I am a Colombo Man and
that my emotional support is there for the LTTE as a Tamil; for I was born to a Tamil and have understood that the Tamils struggle is justifiable.
Again, I do not have to be reminded of a 1983 to identify me as a Tamil because I have NO COMMUNICATION GAP in interacting with even the biggest butcher of any community.
Fairplay
Edited By - Fairplay - 20 Nov 2005 21:04:02 GMT |
Gaja
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 20 Nov 2005 21:17:45 GMT Report for Abuse
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Thank you Nada for responding. I do not think that you are a in a guru-shishya mood right now - be it as guru or shishya. Are you upset for Ranil?
I have learnt to assess wins and losses in relation to my own investments. If Ranil leaves the political scene altogether I would be very upset. But not otherwise. Look at the picture he helped establish - that the Tamils have the power to influence the presidential outcomes.
If the Dr. Thiru you met is from Jaffna College - I believe you need to read the communication below - especially if you are interested in the Australian-Tamil community:
love
gaja
Jaffna College Alumni - NSW
The President & Fellow Members of the
Management Committee of
Jaffna College Alumni - NSW
06 November 2005
Dear President & Fellow Members,
MY RESIGNATION AS SECRETARY OF THE ALUMNI
I am writing to advise you that I am resigning from the position of Secretary, especially after hearing you state at last night's Annual Dinner, that the Alumni activities would be limited to 'Entertainment'. As I informed you when I took over office as the Secretary, I expect the Jaffna College Alumni to contribute to serving the needy - especially through educational activities. Last night, you confirmed yet again, that your agenda is driven by entertainment.
I accepted this position of secretary because my wife promised to help me with the committee work. But after the first meeting of the Committee, you resorted to insulting my wife because she wanted to include Jaffna College in helping the Tsunami victims. Your interests at that meeting were primarily the Annual Dinner - even though Sri Lankans were hurting from the Tsunami damage at that time. This indicated that you felt separated from Sri Lanka and Jaffna College and that you were seeking an independent entity with its own agenda here in Australia as per YOUR current interests.
You were highly critical of my wife's presence at that first meeting, despite knowing that she came because SHE was the one to ask me to help out the committee at the request of Mrs Indrani Satkunananda. My wife has difficulty saying 'NO' when someone asks for help. Little did she know that your need was not to serve community but rather to relax and enjoy retired life.
Despite your antagonistic attitude, my wife went ahead and successfully contributed directly to the Tsunami victims, through Jaffna College. My wife generously shared with members of Jaffna College Board of Directors, as well as Alumni members in Sydney and in Sri Lanka, her wisdom in these matters. Unlike you, most of them were very appreciative that she was helping her husband's associations.
During her recent visit to Sri Lanka, my wife helped Jaffna College Undergraduate section in Jaffna get accreditation with the Institute of Chartered Accountants in Sri Lanka, to teach their course in Jaffna. My wife is currently exploring ways in which she could use her goodwill credits to help train these Jaffna College students in accounting firms supported by expatriate Tamils. There has been deep appreciation for this from the Management of Jaffna College as well as from Alumni's professional members such as Mr. Gananadha of the Senior alumni members and Mr. Subendran of the youth group. It's a pity that my fellow members of the Committee did not recognize my wife's services even after the request received from younger members of the alumni to publicly recognize my wife's work at last night's gathering. All you had to do was to make a few statements about the actual achievements with or without my wife's name being attached to it. By not doing this, you robbed the members present of their opportunity to participate in these activities. Likewise, with the Tsunami activities. You are therefore narrowing the membership to your narrow world of pleasures.
The committee seems bent on showing off its achievements based on remote 'past' to which most of our spouses cannot relate. This would encourage our spouses to invest in their own school alumni which often compete with ours. The Lord confirmed this through last night's alternate events which included another school alumni dinner as well as Kanda Sashti related temple activities. They reflected poor planning skills on the part of the organizers who chose to alienate my wife who is well known for her 'social skills' carried forward from Sri Lanka especially whilst she worked in organizations such as Air Lanka. It's the pity that the committee failed to include my wife's wisdom in these matters to make the event a success for majority members.
My first committee is with my wife - as joint-head of our family. We actively participate in each other's family work and often represent each other as per the needs of the forums. It is on this basis that my wife accompanied me to the Jaffna College dinners I attended. Attending the Committee meeting therefore was a natural' extension of this sharing of 'common life'.
Even this letter is being written by both of us as partners. Anyone who fails to respect my wife who takes her position responsibilities seriously, fails to respect his own wife as well as his mother. My wife is a professional in her own rights. It would be wrong to 'hide' her personality as the woman behind my successes. When it comes to social and service activities, I am the man behind this successful woman. I therefore cannot work with a committee that fails to respect a woman's earned rights and positions in society.
You stated last night that this was an 'association'. We interpreted this to mean, it was not bound by position boundaries as in a formal institute. Such being the case, you do not need my services and there is no need for rules and regulations. I therefore do not see any reason why I need to be a committee member to enjoy the association of fellow members of Jaffna College Alumni. An association must be led by an associate and not by a President with a rigid mandate.
I am an active member of the Peradeniya University Engineering Alumni of my period. We do not have managing committees giving special importance and authority to specific people - so they have the power to control others and in your case to hurt others. We are co-owners and therefore do not need to calculate each one's 'position' in relation to the other. My wife has been actively participating in this forum and any criticism by her has been well taken with a sense of ownership. In fact when my wife was sent to prison earlier this year for seeking to speak to the Vice Chancellor of the University of New South Wales over employment related issues, our Engineering family gathered itself together and came home to assure us of their support, prayed together for Divine support and expressed their support through an open communication to the authorities concerned. Many Jaffna College Alumni members also extended their support - but did so as individuals and not as an association. They could not have under your current leadership.
You on the other hand tried to give the impression that we had abused the Tsunami funds collected. Every donor was given a receipt and we added contributions from my wife's friends to the Jaffna College pool. Not one of the contributors has asked about what happened to the money. The question came from the Committee led by the President. My wife said that those who would embezzle, would think others would. My wife warned the Committee that she would sue for damages based on defamation, anyone who tried to sling such mud on us. The Committee in fact owes us money for the communications we sent out, during the year. Each communication costs us over $100. We did this work through our feeling of ownership which urged us to share our experiences with fellow members. On this basis we believe that we are deeper owners than any one of you.
There were expressions of Goodwill even at last night's dinner, with specific reference to the plans discussed during the Tsunami meeting. This indicates that you are not connected to the membership beyond the annual dinner.
My wife was very keen to bridge the gap between the seniors and the youth in our alumni. My wife now feels that this is a massive task under the current structure, dominated by seniors who seek to live in their past glory with little appreciation for current activities in Jaffna College. This we believe is the primary reason why the Scholarship funds are continuing to stagnate. My wife and I both feel that whilst members such as Rev. Bubsy Arulambalam, Dr & Mrs. Satkunarajah, Dr & Mrs Bala and Mr. & Mrs. Karunainathan have demonstrated 'service values' through their work, there is not enough commitment for this alumni to serve the whole of Jaffna College - primarily driven by Current educational activities. We are concerned, that if this were to continue, it would result in 'separation' - as seems to have happened through the Scholarship activities.
We believe in serving through our respective specialties which is Teaching for me and General Administration & Policy Development for my wife. We are confident that we can continue to serve Jaffna College through our other associations including the most recent project in Thunaivi area, funded by NECORD, in which my wife is participating and to which our family has contributed land for a Common Admin building. As part of this, we intend facilitating the disenfranchised youngsters in the area to undergo vocational training through the institutions associated with Jaffna College.
We will continue to be bottom-up participants in the alumni. Most of the services provided by us were outside the mandatory requirements of the secretary but were never in breach of the law. That is good service style. Hence we can continue to share our experiences with fellow members.
My wife has helped me realize that I need to consciously and expressly ask myself as to what I can do for Jaffna College and not what Jaffna College can do for me. In other words, I am no longer separated from Jaffna College - but work for myself as if I am Jaffna College.
Yours sincerely,
S.Paramasivam
CC: All members of the Jaffna College Alumni and others concerned.
Edited By - Gaja - 20 Nov 2005 21:41:41 GMT |
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20 Nov 2005 22:41:10 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Gaja,
Don't know why that letter was directed to me? One thing is certain;husband is in no way inferior to wife, this is why they say marriages are made in heaven!
Dr.Thiru is an old boy of JC but he did not attend the last meeting and besides no gossip among us. It was a casual encounter and he seems to know your husband but 'do not know' much about the wife except just met you in functions. Possibly did not see her in 'real action'.
I will be out of Autralia for a few days and will be back during the week end. Keep enjoying the forum
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20 Nov 2005 23:31:20 GMT Report for Abuse
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Thank you Nada for the response.
It was not directed at you - but rather through you as a facility. The primary purpose is to help identify the problems in being an Australian-Tamil and Sri Lankan-Tamil at the same time.
I checked with my husband and I know this Dr.Thiru. He helped my husband with his sponsorship when my husband came here in the 70's as a student.
Like Tamils, many Jaffna College members would not qualify individually and actively for what has been said in the letter. But collectively they do - through their indifference and complacency.
As for the husband being scared of being inferior to his wife, only someone who gets pleasure by being superior, would fear being inferior sometimes. When you love each other - there is no difference. If your wife is superior you will feel superior and that will offset and balance the feeling of inferiority. Until we merge through Love or Truth - that up and down movement must happen - does happen even though we may not recognize it. I am sure you are inferior to your wife in some aspects of life - at least in cooking. Otherwise you would not be going to Janani's.
You have already answered in action, your own question as to why that letter was posted through you. Suggest you talk about the letter with Dr. Thiru next time - so he would get the opportunity to see me 'in action'. His brother Siva knows a little about that part of me. He appreciates that part and expresses it.
Have a good trip out and back. We will think of you wherever you may be.
love
gaja
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LuLa
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21 Nov 2005 07:13:16 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Gaja,
I am sorry to interfere, but I need to ask you this.
Why do you keep posting your private correspondence with others to a public forum like this? The subject matter in your letter has no relevance to the topic discussed here and I do not think Nada was a member of the Jaffna College Alumni.
Please do not misunderstand me,after all you also have an ownership to this forum. I am just curious, that's all.
Just one more thing, this Oldpuli continues to pull your leg and you still believe that he is intuitively connected to you. In all his replies to you, he praises you in an extra ordinary manner. This is nothing but whitewash, pure flattery.
In the beginning he said that he lives in Australia, then he said Canada, later he said UK and now again Australia. At least, do you know where he lives?
The best thing I like in Oldpuli is, he is very successful in taking everyone for a ride.
I missed an interesting discussion with you regarding the topic 'Ego' due to some technical error.
In my previous post, I told you that, without beating around the bush, put your point directly in a short and simple format so that a layperson like me grasp it without spending more of my precious time.
I am sorry about that little bit of pain I caused you. I judged you wrong, I thought a self realized person is not sensitive to such issues.
Edited By - LuLa - 21 Nov 2005 17:07:14 GMT |
Weliya
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 21 Nov 2005 09:21:19 GMT Report for Abuse
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Surely Mahinda would not have won if LTTE didnt force(not boycott)the people not to vote.Like some of you have mentioned earlier this cannot be called a convincing victory.
Anyway the PE is now over.Lets get together to build 'ALUTH SRI LANKAWAK'.As long as we are devided Prabha(terrorism)will exist.But if we all get together and stand as one Prabha will have no other choice but to heed.
There is no War in sight at the moment but it depends on the Stance that MR will take. |
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21 Nov 2005 21:39:11 GMT Report for Abuse
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Thank you Lula for the response.
The reason for posting my 'other' correspondence is because I believe that different people will get value from various parts of my work.
No, Nada is not part of Jaffna College. But he is a Tamil from around that area, living in Sydney. Nada also mentioned in one of his posts that we are in this forum mainly for leisure. The issue is the same for the President of Jaffna College alumni and for Nada. But I had to 'wait' until Nada mentioned Dr.Thiru who is also a Jaffna College member.
It would be wrong of me to bring my personal life into this public forum if I give special treatment to my family and friends. To the extent I do, I do not bring them into such forums. Most of the time it is related to other people's adverse opinion of me. This might help others have collective agreement or realise they are wrong about me. On these matters I bring people in to the forum only to the extent I have invested in their 'public' life. You would find in my early communications with the Australian government, some details about my children's criticism of me. They are then taking up the position of opposition with White Australians and not with me as their mother. Hence I openly place them in opposition - even though this is likely to disadvantage me. The children are some times informed directly but they know in general that they would be included in my opposition if they do not do the work to understand what I am doing or do not connect to me through their faith in me.
Lula, I consider myself a public figure, now that I have sued members of the Australian Government on issues of Public Administration. Hence I need to be as transparent as possible - so that I do not fear losing credit. It's better to start off with zero base. I believe this is needed for an Objective approach which will give us the ownership of the issue irrespective the persons involved. This is how I am able to invest in policy.
I know that many people who know some aspects of me - would appreciate different parts of that Jaffna College communication. We received expressions of appreciation from fellow members when they received this communication. Until then they chose to remain silent and largely complacent. I believe that this work would help every expat Tamil trying to draw a balance between the two lives.It is an issue for countries that are actively participating in Anti Terrorism measures. I am now working on a 'union' representation for migrants on these issues.
The Truth is very powerful Lula. If you connect to my Truth, you will have the essence of the work I have done and v.v. Towards this I need to be 'open'. I could have translated the essence of that letter to suit Nada. I do that too. In addition decided to include Nada in the Jaffna College issues. That is the Nada in my mind.
As a matter of interest, did you find it boring or irrelevant to your life as a whole? When I come into this forum I bring my whole life into it - at the level of Truth. Until I reach the Truth I must carefully stick to the policy guidlines. Truth fits any genuine guideline.
As for Oldpuli, I do not get impressed by his flattery. I am amused by it and do enjoy the genuine part that it is based on. It helps me balance the insults from people like OOPSE.
As for his personality, I see him only to the extent that he has wisdom about Tamils in NorthEastern Sri Lanka. Likewise with most Tamils including Prabaharan. I do not read any other posts from Oldpuli except when asked to specifically by someone else or to help someone in real need. Then Oldpuli takes up lesser priority to that person. I do not involve myself at other times. He is a lovely person - taking on many forms - like in that Tamil film - Naan Avanillai. There is also an English film like that - where the guy changes form to serve people. He is like Robinhood. So long as he does not do it for selfish reasons, I will continue to like him and appreciate him. He keeps my spirits up. The base is genuine.
As for the ego issue, I converted my ego pain into ownership - by knowing that I do no cause ego pain to others. If I believed that I was wrong, I would correct myself. Towards this I need to educate myself or allow myself to be educated by others. I keep my mind open for others to educate me. Thank you for sharing my pain. That is evidence of ownership.
As for being self-realised - yes, the self-realised will also feel the pain to the extent they are dependent on others for their 'certificates' - but with the self-realised it quickly becomes 'educational' and is therefore not active pain - not for long. To the extent I feel the active pain - I am still materialistic - dependent on goodwill and status given by others. When those others are like you, the pain soon becomes an asset to deepen ownership.
Thank you deeply
love
gaja
Edited By - Gaja - 21 Nov 2005 22:04:19 GMT |
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 21 Nov 2005 21:46:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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Discrimination,,,,,,,,,
i do not like the oldpuli |
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21 Nov 2005 21:51:03 GMT Report for Abuse
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A Tamil song:
'Ullam enpathu Aamai,
Athil unmai enpathu Umai,
Sollil varuvathu paathi,
Nenchil thunki kiddapathu neethi'
An old popular cinema song written by well known song writer Kannathasan
It goes like this:
The mind is like a tortoise
In that truth remains dumb
what comes out in words is only half
The balance and justice for ever sleeps in the mind
It suits any one who is not talking out of his heart.
Also Thirukkural, translated into several languages, one saying:
'Malithalum needdalum venda,
Ulaham palithathu alithu vidin'
It goes like that this:
One need not shave his head or grow beard to get closer to God, but simply get rid of all the bad thinks as determined by enlightened people, and it will take you close to God.
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