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nada
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 19 Nov 2005 22:13:02 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear SK,
Thanks for the compliment.
Coming to this issue of elections, to be honest,vast majority of Tamils did not worry much about the outcome. It is true that had they been left alone Ranil would have won. But yet they did not expect any miracles. It is a matter of deciding between the two evils.
Just look at me as a very moderate Tamil with more contacts with the Sinhalese than Tamils, still I have no faith in any of the Sinhala politician when it comes to the Tamil issue. They will never ever come to terms with the Tamils, basically based on some historic beliefs and more importantly ignorance and simply refusing to look at alternatives.
There was a time when the so-called Colombo Tamils thought in a different way and looked at N&E Tamils differently. Certainly that has changed. At present all the Tamils (I mean 99%) look at this issue in the same way. They feel there will never be any voluntary compromise with the majority because they will continue to cheat them as what they have been doing for more than half a century.
Of course their perception toward the LTTE or any other organization may differ but yet still the majority of Tamils will go along with the LTTE unless and until the Sinhala Government shows some sincerity in solving this problem.
This so-called Karuna factor, is an incidental issue and is obviously created by the Sinhala government and their paid agents to sabotage the LTTE but more importantly the Tamil struggle.
Karuna to my analysis is a dead force, he is not a brainy guy too and was tempted by external forces. Again LTTE should be blamed for that because Karuna at the later stages started enjoying plenty of 'influence and perks' and unfortunately he thought he is the leader of the East and 'lost his head'. This is nothing unusual owing to his education and general wisdom. Had the LTTE trimmed him off at an earlier stage this could have been stopped altogether.
Many feel that in fact the EPDP has more influence and better organizational structure than the so-called Karuna. Militarily Karuna is zero. His few cronies are hiding in the army camps and indulging in hit and run tactics but the main force behind is the Sinhala military.
Politically, in fact I have spoken to several eastern Tamils, and they are not at all favorable to Karuna and many feel he is an indisputable traitor, worse than any other Tamil traitors. But as the situation warrants no one comes in the open for obvious reason.
They feel Karuna either advertantly or inadvertently ruin the Tamil struggle if ever he gets the power. They appreciate he has neither brain nor wisdom to think too far. His so-called military strategy is all based on some 'reckless and daring moves common with fighters who have nothing much to think'. Yet all the techniques of war were planned by others and this guy executed those fights.
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nada
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19 Nov 2005 22:47:33 GMT Report for Abuse
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SK..contd
The name Karuna is used by all the anti-Tamil and perhaps anti-LTTE forces for their obvious advantage and not at all for the benefit of the Tamils. The Sinhalese should not under estimate the intelligence of the Tamils and make them to believe that Karuna or Sangari or Douglas are going to bring peace and prosperity to Tamils. Even calling him as Col Karuna is a clear indication of the Sinhala sinister move but too apparent to every one.
This man Sangari, I know him personally and he was one time teacher. He is a dull man, had no definite plans even then, was changing from party to party and never collected any votes on his own capability. More than anything else he is too stubborn and he will foolishly cling onto his belief and no one could change his thinking. Any one using him will lose even the little support they have with the Tamils. This is sangary, and his 'sticking' on to Sinhalese is not out of love for them or out of any supreme principle but to take revenge from the LTTE for personal conflict.
If the Sinhalese are going to invest on such guys either to sabotage the Tamil struggle or the LTTE or as a remote possibility of solving the Tamil problem in a 'sincere' way they are very very wrong and will prove once again the age old saying 'Sinhalaya Modaya'.
In this scenario what LTTE did is one such experiment. They are also tired with Ranil, it just drags on and they too lost the momentum. It does not matter to LTTE who the president is because they are clear of their objectives.
Whatever Mahinda had said, once he enters the reality the scene will change. Besides this JVP, JHU cocktail will become a difficult team to mange and also may make international impact. Possibly LTTE may believe that there will be less sympathy from the west for these extreme nationalist forces. If Mahinda in the rare instance plan war it will more likely go against him.
Politicians have been duped well and truly in the past of 'sure victories' so many times and almost lost the war if not for the Indian intervention. I am sure Mahinda will be more sensitive to this than Ranil who believes in 'slow motion'. LTTE may not be much concerned about Karuna because they have better information than what we do about him and his 'capabilities'.
Asia Tribune is not the ultimate, it is a heavily biased payed 'news' dispenser and have its agents who have some personal axe to grind with the LTTE. It is of course part of Tamil psyche, as to who should dominate, and this is one of the deterrent factors.
The 'highly' spoken Dr.Nadesan (only in this forum by one or two)is just a 'policy man' without any support and he is like Sangary who is screaming out of his frustration.
What is important today is the 'mass support' or the 'military power'. All the rest flow from this. At the moment whether one likes it or not LTTE remains the prime mover of the Tamil people.
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19 Nov 2005 23:35:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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SK contd.....
LTTE is well aware of all these logistics. Tamils scold, curse,and condemn yet they will finally go along with the LTTE and this is exclusively due to the Sinhala government's utter foolishness. They compromise their foolishness by incorporating all the 'Tamil dropouts' like Sangary, Douglas and Karuna and using some payed agents to propagate their 'views'. Until the Sinhalese become sincere they will continue to use these 'coolies' and thus LTTE will continue to be the Tamils' only choice.
What do these 'alternatives' have to offer the Tamils? Karuna is going to fight for the Tamils after destroying the LTTE, do you think any sane Tamil could believe that? For that matter do you expect that Karuna will achieve his goal or he is really telling this? Even if Karuna is no more now, yet imagine the intelligence of the fools who put forward this theory?
LTTE still remains a key force and it has proved without any doubt that it could decide the destiny of the southern politics. LTTE decides who should be the president. So this is just an acid test for them. By this experiment they have thrown the ball into Mahinda's court and waiting for him to strike the ball.
Sinhalese should at last should accept to deal with LTTE, whether they like it or not if there is going to be peace in SL. Just clinging onto the mercenary forces will only make the issue more complicated. They showed to Ranil how smart they are. And these coolies are striving for their benefit and not for the betterment of the Sinhalese. At least the LTTE is quite frank about its options.
But why should the Sinhalese cling onto these mercenaries. Obviously they do not want to solve the Tamil issue. Merely saying that all are the same in Sri lanka is too much to swallow. Any one who got thrashed in 83 would know what that means. Why, all are living peacefully in Colombo is another such statement.
But significantly many Tamils believe that because of LTTE the Tamils are safe in the South. Of course the Sinhalese will argue they learned a bitter lesson in 83 and will never make a similar mistake. But all know what the Truth is.
So SK the LTTE is doing various experiments, may be right may be wrong, but their objectives remain clear and if any one interested in solving directly with them the task is much easier.
'A Known devil is better than an unknown angel'.
This is my two cents
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sk63
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 20 Nov 2005 01:37:37 GMT Report for Abuse
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Nada and Lula,
Thanks for the response. As always you guys give some real well thought out arguements. I also agree that there wont be a war. Very very unlikely. I also think that the issue will drag on and that is no good either.
As Lula mentioned, Moragoda and Dissanayake claiming credit for Karuna split did not help UNP. I am not sure if it was UNP doing. You need a real good link to karuna to caus that split. UNP did not have that.
The only people who could have make that happen is India or norway. I guess we will never know.
Now that MR is in power, we have to wait and see what is going to happen. One thing I know about Mahinda is that he is not a racist. I have to stop there. i dont knowenough about his partners to talk about their stand.
From LTTE point of view, Karuna strengthening is not good. Personally I dont trust Karuna. He is a good fighter but not a good man.
Mahinda victory made the situation very uncertain. As Kanthun said only time will tell.
Guys let us keep our thought process on this updated on regular basis. None of us are close enough to the ground parties to make informed comments. Exchanging views would of course help.
Thanks guys. This forum has been a huge educational platform for me. |
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20 Nov 2005 01:42:53 GMT Report for Abuse
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Dear Aritha,
Thank you for the appreciation.
I am glad to know that you too are concentrating your thoughts and views on the new President's abilities and possible conflict management acumen.
Regards
Fairplay
Edited By - Fairplay - 20 Nov 2005 02:13:36 GMT |
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 20 Nov 2005 04:05:51 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sk63,
First of all I must thank you for requesting my 2 cents worth opinion.
You are right, the UNP may not have directly involved in the Karuna split, but, it all happened with their full blessings.
Both India and America were not happy with the LTTE leadership. Norway is an American proxy and is capable of playing a double game. After all they were the only external source closely linked with the LTTE leaders.
A person who betrays his own people should never be trusted. I am sure, Mahinda will know where to place Karuna and how to deal with him. I do not think he will repeat the mistake what Premadasa did.
We will wait till the 27th to hear what the LTTE leader has to say about all these.
Six years is not a long period, so let?s wait and see the new developments under Mahinda?s leadership. |
sk63
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20 Nov 2005 04:39:41 GMT Report for Abuse
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Hey Lula,
No problem. I really appreciate your comments. I am very impressed with people like Nada, Fairplay, You, Tigga, Kanthun, Noel etc (and many others in fact too many to mention) who has a lot of knowledge to talk about the ethnic issue.
As for me Lula, I have been for a Federal solution for a long time. I believe that it will happen. I am actually waiting to see LTTE declaring UDI. I want to see the world's reaction to it.
You know what makes me sad? At the end of the day it is the average citizen who suffers. Not the army or the LTTE. Sadly very few people here understand it. Ifg you have seen the destruction of war you will not want a war to start.
Personally I dont think it will happen. But as Kanthun said, only time will tell
Edited By - sk63 - 20 Nov 2005 04:41:04 GMT |
Fairplay
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20 Nov 2005 06:46:08 GMT Report for Abuse
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Macho SK,
What's cooking buddy? Thanks for the compliment.
Nada has given you a thesis I suppose. Each one of us view things differently. As for me I am a 100% Colombo Tamil who came to this forum to find answers for this so called ethnic problem that did not affect me at all. However in the process the forum induced me to atleast EMOTIONALLY SUPPORT THE TAMIL CAUSE.
Nada referred to Colombo Tamils and I whole heartedly welcome his comments.
What our forum members fail to understand is the distinction between A MODERATE TAMIL WHO WISHES TO INTERACT AND ENJOY THE DAILY LIFE IN PEACE AND HARMONY WITH ALL OTHER COMMUNITIES Vs. Tamils who are hell bent on seeking Independance from a community who has ruined their way of life.( Did not start as a seperate state.)
Nevertheless their lies a common thread of relationship between the 2 segments of the community that TAKES ALL BLOWS AND THRASHES identifed as Tamils.
In 1983 there was no distinction afforded between a Colombo Tamil and Jaffna Tamil and for that matter IGP Rudra Rajasingham's mothers residence was also attacked.
Therefore Nada's claim about 99% Tamils supporting LTTE is correct. This does not mean that everyone is contributing money to their war. I would admit that those Emotionally supporting the LTTE is a Solidarity movement either locally or internationally, although not a formal one.
As I have been saying this many a times there will not be a war again. Mahinda will commence a relationship with Prabha that prevails through Mahinda's tenure. Mahinda will negotiate a framework similar to the ISGA proposals and make Prabha happy until the next President takes over.
Karuna was not a product of UNP but anexternal source.
Anandasangaree and Douglas are only good for an Exhibition to the International media. They are not with the Tamil people.
You would appreciate that Tamil people are with any Leader who is working sincerely to bring peace, harmony and prosperity to their lives NOT By THE GUN, BUT WITH THE PEN!!!
Sincerely,
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sk63
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20 Nov 2005 13:09:04 GMT Report for Abuse
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Machan Fiarplay,
Thanks for your two cents. Nada also gave a detailed account of his thoughts. So did Lula. I am keen to find out the turn of events as we move forward. One thing clear is though there wont be an all out war. Both parties have passed that stage.
As for Ranil's defeat, i think it was a personality thing. People consider Ranil as a Colombo 7 posh man (even though he is only Colombo 3 man). That is unfortunate. As for mahinda, he himself is not a racist. About the others around him, I dont know and we have to see.
As Kanthun said, only time will tell. We can meanwhile have our thoughts and views exchanged. |
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20 Nov 2005 15:12:12 GMT Report for Abuse
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Sk63,
Yes, Mahinda himself is not a racist but others around him are definitely racists.
What ever said and done, Ranil is definitely a better choice.
In my personal opinion, the biggest blunder LTTE made was the killing of R.Premadasa, the man who helped them, and now this one, helping Mahinda to win.
As you said, only time will tell. |
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